The Wahhabisation of Pakistan

[qaisar52]

Qoted. If you ask me, all the signs are that whole of Pakistan could be turned into FATA in 20 years time with people gathering in football grounds to watch beheading of their countryman without proper trial. We have already seen public floggings in the bigot Zia's time.

Dear Niaz and fatman,

I read your post and 100% agreed with it. The thing is how we can survives for this brutal concept of Islam which is brought in to Pakistan by our so called Muslim brother friendly countries. If you see the 26/06/08 news on Saudi and Arab countries channels. 761 terrorists have been captured by Saudi authorities only in this month. Sorry to say Saudi’s are paying what they have created for Iranians or you can say for Shia’s to hold their powers in the Kingdom and soft corners in Pakistan.
I am not saying that the saudia has to blame but saudia did some part of it. Sending money to sectarian’s killers, heated literature, sending the Scholars for teaching sectarian valiance. I was reading news paper yesterday and it was mentioned that daily 30 peoples (from Minorities specially Shia) has been killed on the name of Islam (If they gathered for Mijlis) they have been labeled sex crime.
we all knows and I personally went to with my shia friends to see what they are doing in their majlis it is exactly the 100% different what the Mulas said about shia.
I think we should send our children only those mosque for learning Qurann and sunah who we believe are not the Taliban type Mullahs. Who can teach our children’s love between human being?
And if we see any thing going wrong even it is done by our children we should not tolerates it.

Thanks
Qaisar

 

[HAIDER]

Yesterday meet a guy an old friend all of sudden turn to Tablighi. After living and learning lavish life in US and now a big business in Lahore. During dinner gave us long lecture about islam.
Today when i open Jang news paper, i read a young man suicide because of unemployed and 100s of economic reasons. I thought his lecture for while and his tablighi trip to US. Most probably he spend four or five thousand dollar individually. Can't his money save that type of person's life ???????????......their energy to convert Chrisitan people to muslim is appreciable, but those who are dying everyday in neighborhood daily or in slums of city........who takes the responsibility??

 

[niaz]

My comments in light of my


When it comes to Saudi Arabi as compare to Iran it has been more open to Pakistanis and outer world.
Even the media in SaudiArabi is more free as compared to Iran.
Without disputing views about Zia. I also like to mention that both countries Iran and Saudi were even more brain washed than Pakistanis and Iranians little bit more for afore stated reasons.
Individually, Iranians are more sweet and gentel and arabs are harsher.
I have read news papers from all of arab world as well Iran.
When it comes to Pakistan Iranian media mostly take its news from indian media and I believe we need to pay more attention with our relations towards Iran as compare to india. We should do expand trade with iran instead of indian. Say no to TATA buses and buy Iran Khodro buses, instead.

Beautiful words and I would add that Pakistanis should start looking beyond india and instead of visiting Tajmahal we should visit shrines of Muslim scientists and scholars in Iran. Otherwise also food and nature is better than hindustan.
Before declaring Dubai or SaudiArabia as Arab culture, we should try to visit Jordan, Syria or as a matter of fact whole North Africa.
If we visit them frequently, than we can also expect some visitors back. We are a great host nation and it’s a proud fact that once any foreigner visit Pakistan he never forgets our hospitality and I have heard numerous such tales from visitors.
Generally, those who have never visited Pakistan believe Pakistan is same as India and once they have seen india there is no need for them to visit Pakistan.


Our politics is family based and which is actually suppressing any leader to surface. Today we have son in law of bhutto dictating Pakistan and next will be his son or son in laws and so on. We also have two sharif's son's and son in laws and so on..
What is most important for Pakistanis is to get rid of these two tribes. Today no one in Punjab wish to challenge sharifs and no one in Sindh wish to challenge Zardari.
Musharraf was good enough to lead us in any phase but we have witnessed the foreign interference through biased propaganda and pressure to forgive those two thugs and allow them to run for elections, today those thugs are exploiting state laws to their comfort. If they face any judicial inquiry they wish to have judges of their own choice, other wise long march.
Both of those have hijacked our society and changing it to worst. I have lived in Lahore when all BUTT clan were big thugs and ran qabza groups under the patronage of Shahbaz. For personal gains Sharifs ruined the Lahore culture. I guess same was done by Bhuttos family in Karachi.

I have deliberately avoided mentioning Iran. Iran after the revolution is as bad as any Wahabi state. Thousands of people were killed by the hanging judge 'Khalkhali' in the aftermath of the revolution. Iran gives more freedom to women as they are allowed to drive and do the jobs, simply because Iranians were always better educated and cultured than the Saudis. I asked a very religious man about this and his logic was that if there are no educated women then men will have deal with them ( say when women are sick) that is why we allow them to be aducated. At least in this regard Iranians are more civilised. ( Go tell this to the people who blow up girls schools)

However, if you go to NIOC building in Tehran; there is a notice as to what type of dress women are allowed to wear and what colours ( white, grey, coffee, dark brown and black). IMO only difference between KSA and Iran is that Iranians are Shias otherwise both regimes are equally repressive.
I have witnessed Passdaran admonishing a 6 year old girl as to why she was not wearing Hijab. I like Iranian food, my wife was refused entry in the Iranain club resturant in Dubai until she had donned a Hijab. They even loaned her one, as a few are always kept for the erring Muslims like me. As long as I follow the norms of decency, what business it is of the state as to what dress I or my family wears?

Now you know why I am against the Mullahs, be thery Shia or Sunni.

 

[JK!]

Just finished reading Jihad the trail of Political Islam by Gilles Keppel a french author and he mentions an interesting incident that occured in Egypt.

A local slum was taken over by Islamists who proclaimed a brand of Sharia law and when interviewed on tv one of the Islamist said they were unchallengable not even by the Egyptian state.

The next day the army was sent in with around 120000 paratroopers to sort the slum out.
The whole dynamic of the neighbourhood was changed such as moderate mullahs being brought in for its mosques etc.

My question is that could this model be used in Pakistan?

 

[Always Neutral]

Ok, if you have not said so than perhaps I was confused, issue setteled.



When ever I meet any middle eastern people, together we find many common things to share. I have family friends from middle east but I cannot find a single common ground to talk with any indian fellow. This forum can be taken as a classic example that’s how opposite we are to each other in our beliefs about various things (forget the religion)

I'm also shocked to hear about food comments... Have you lived in any middleeastern country? or let me put it this way, have you ever eaten in indian restaurant? Indian food is only chatni and paapar maximum with lintel soup. Here again I would say, it is indians who are shunning their culture and are changing on daily basis. First they adopted Pakistani culture, food etc and now slowly they are adapting to meat as well.
Look at the dress gandhi used to wear but now their rulers wear shairwani suit.
There women use to wear sari and now they started wearing shalwar suit / trouser shirt etc.
Next will be west but never will they wear dhoti or sari again.
Hell I now I even see indians drinking tea in cups, have you ever seen them drinking water? they never used glass, they used to eat food in big steal trays and never used plates or cutlery tools.
With all I mention above, I say their is nothing wrong about Indian evolution they are doing just fine but why the hell they want to use Pakistanis to keep their sari/dhoti culture alive?
Pakistani kitchen cuisines are more close to Arabic, Persian and Turish. Kebabs, Saji, vegetables, lintels, all we can find in classic middle eastern kitchen. It has come to india with the Muslim rulers.
Personally, I don’t use even pinch of spice or red pepper in my house. I do garnish BBQ with some Turkish spices and and that’s all.

Now coming to language, I have already told that our language is a mixture of Arabic, Persian, Turkish and now bit English as well and Indian spoke it because it was the official language from Mughal rulers, we can read Arabic, Persian but not hindi!
If we cannot understand Arabic than it should be made compulsory in schools to learn it, this will bring us more close to Arabic culture and more distant from Indian culture.

I'm sorry but I can never go along with any idea of sharing any thing with indians. I hate the concept of being counted among Indians in any form.

I must say the most biggotted post of the decade. If batman ever took a DNA test I think he would be suprised by the results of how close it maybe to an Indian or Bangladeshi.

Anyway Fatman has replied and summed it up very well.

Regards

Regards

 

[Always Neutral]

Just finished reading Jihad the trail of Political Islam by Gilles Keppel a french author and he mentions an interesting incident that occured in Egypt.

A local slum was taken over by Islamists who proclaimed a brand of Sharia law and when interviewed on tv one of the Islamist said they were unchallengable not even by the Egyptian state.

The next day the army was sent in with around 120000 paratroopers to sort the slum out.
The whole dynamic of the neighbourhood was changed such as moderate mullahs being brought in for its mosques etc.

My question is that could this model be used in Pakistan?

120000 paratroopers ?

That would mean 5 training jumps a year for 120,000 people.

That would mean an amazing 60,000 sorties (at the rate of 100 per jump)

Regards

Ps : My mathematics could be poor

 

[JK!]

120000 paratroopers ?

That would mean 5 training jumps a year for 120,000 people.

That would mean an amazing 60,000 sorties (at the rate of 100 per jump)

Regards

Ps : My mathematics could be poor

Gah its my maths which is poor it should have been 12000 as opposed to the earliar figure.

 

[fatman17]

Just finished reading Jihad the trail of Political Islam by Gilles Keppel a french author and he mentions an interesting incident that occured in Egypt.

A local slum was taken over by Islamists who proclaimed a brand of Sharia law and when interviewed on tv one of the Islamist said they were unchallengable not even by the Egyptian state.

The next day the army was sent in with around 120000 paratroopers to sort the slum out.
The whole dynamic of the neighbourhood was changed such as moderate mullahs being brought in for its mosques etc.

My question is that could this model be used in Pakistan?

egypt has mubarak as the "democratic" strongman - he dosnt have to answer to anyone. when musharraf was in "power" 2-3 yrs ago he could have done it. the new democratic govt. dosnt have it in them.

 

[JK!]

egypt has mubarak as the "democratic" strongman - he dosnt have to answer to anyone. when musharraf was in "power" 2-3 yrs ago he could have done it. the new democratic govt. dosnt have it in them.

It needs to be done though its what the Americans are doing in Iraq getting boots onto the streets and conducting foot patrols.

The nice thing about the Egyptian incident was that this slum was pulled out from the brink through this force and the social and economic investment afterwards.

 

[BATMAN]

I must say the most biggotted post of the decade. If batman ever took a DNA test I think he would be suprised by the results of how close it maybe to an Indian or Bangladeshi.

Anyway Fatman has replied and summed it up very well.

Regards

Regards

Tell me which part of my post you did not liked? just saying bigoted is not enough.
Results of DNA test dosn't matter to me or neither is a detrmental parameter for adopting a culture or reversing one's beliefs.
As a matter of fact if you run DNA test of new indian generation they will be half Afghani, thanks to northern alliance.

 

[PakistanFront]

Asalam Alaikum

Wahabisation of Pakistan?

It is well known and well established that the most of the british media channels are not only playing in the hands of zionists, but also the most recist institutes of UK.

It is almost impossible to find out a single news in these media gangaster of UK, which goes in favour of Pakistan or Islam.

I wonder the country, who kept looting our wealth for more than hundreds of years is feeling sypathy for us. While the west, especialy UK, had wrote 99% of the propaganda books and material against Islam, how they can claim that they would ever be sincere with Islam and Pakistan?

visit of couple of million Pakistanis of Saudi Arabia does not mean that Pakistan is transforming into other faith. It it could ever been possible than Pakistan should be transforming into Christianity estate. Why? because more than double of those couple of millions are living and working in Christian estate.

Secondly, Wahabism is not out of Islam. Neither it is any threat to others in Islam. It is only a propaganda of the enemies of Pakistan and Islam against different sects of Muslims to force them to fight with each other. By the way, the nations, who are doing mass killing all over the world are worrieng that Pakistan's faith is in danger from Saudis.

This article is useless to read, worthless and totally out of context. The one who will be reading it, will only be waisting his time. And not only Muslims and but also other than Muslims, who are eager to read such material to use it in the propaganda war against Islam and Pakistan.

Thanks.

Saj

 

[fatman17]

Asalam Alaikum

Wahabisation of Pakistan?

It is well known and well established that the most of the british media channels are not only playing in the hands of zionists, but also the most recist institutes of UK.

It is almost impossible to find out a single news in these media gangaster of UK, which goes in favour of Pakistan or Islam.

I wonder the country, who kept looting our wealth for more than hundreds of years is feeling sypathy for us. While the west, especialy UK, had wrote 99% of the propaganda books and material against Islam, how they can claim that they would ever be sincere with Islam and Pakistan?

visit of couple of million Pakistanis of Saudi Arabia does not mean that Pakistan is transforming into other faith. It it could ever been possible than Pakistan should be transforming into Christianity estate. Why? because more than double of those couple of millions are living and working in Christian estate.

Secondly, Wahabism is not out of Islam. Neither it is any threat to others in Islam. It is only a propaganda of the enemies of Pakistan and Islam against different sects of Muslims to force them to fight with each other. By the way, the nations, who are doing mass killing all over the world are worrieng that Pakistan's faith is in danger from Saudis.

This article is useless to read, worthless and totally out of context. The one who will be reading it, will only be waisting his time. And not only Muslims and but also other than Muslims, who are eager to read such material to use it in the propaganda war against Islam and Pakistan.

Thanks.

Saj

1. saj - where do u live - my guess is UK - do u visit pakistan often - if not u should.
2. article is written by a pakistani who is worried about this phenomenon.

 

[JK!]

Asalam Alaikum

Wahabisation of Pakistan?

It is well known and well established that the most of the british media channels are not only playing in the hands of zionists, but also the most recist institutes of UK.

It is almost impossible to find out a single news in these media gangaster of UK, which goes in favour of Pakistan or Islam.

I wonder the country, who kept looting our wealth for more than hundreds of years is feeling sypathy for us. While the west, especialy UK, had wrote 99% of the propaganda books and material against Islam, how they can claim that they would ever be sincere with Islam and Pakistan?

visit of couple of million Pakistanis of Saudi Arabia does not mean that Pakistan is transforming into other faith. It it could ever been possible than Pakistan should be transforming into Christianity estate. Why? because more than double of those couple of millions are living and working in Christian estate.

Secondly, Wahabism is not out of Islam. Neither it is any threat to others in Islam. It is only a propaganda of the enemies of Pakistan and Islam against different sects of Muslims to force them to fight with each other. By the way, the nations, who are doing mass killing all over the world are worrieng that Pakistan's faith is in danger from Saudis.

This article is useless to read, worthless and totally out of context. The one who will be reading it, will only be waisting his time. And not only Muslims and but also other than Muslims, who are eager to read such material to use it in the propaganda war against Islam and Pakistan.

Thanks.

Saj

What a load of rubbish the UK media is not at all the way you have portrayed it to be and I might add that today a billion dollar economic initiative was launched by the UK government.

 

[PakistanFront]

Hello

First of all, you can not deny that UK media is not racists. If you deny then let's talk about the BBC and tell me which one is the UK's most racist institutions?

Secondly, which billion dollar economic initiative you talking about? Let me be short and straight to you. The whole west and US give aid of billions of dollars to Africa, then why Africa not growing? Just because you do not give them trucks to take waste out of the city. You give them medicines to get rid of the deseases because of that waste. And also those medicines are bought from their own pharmaceautical companies and money which is used is collected from the poor citizens in the name of help for othre countries and used to implement foriegn policies of the west.

Don't you think that India's RAW and the so called NGOs are doing the same job for the ganagsters in their countries. The only difference is that RAW use bomb blast and NGOs of west use aid to facilitate the government in their foriegn policies.

 

[Flintlock]

Hello

First of all, you can not deny that UK media is not racists. If you deny then let's talk about the BBC and tell me which one is the UK's most racist institutions?

Could you please post some recent articles from the BBC, and point out exactly which paragraphs reflect a racist attitude?