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Xinjiang has been Chinese territory for the last 2,000 years

The Han Dynasty exercised sovereignty over Xinjiang.

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Xinjiang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"In the 2nd century BC, Han China sent Zhang Qian as an envoy to the states in the region, beginning several decades of struggle between the Xiongnu and Han China over dominance of the region, eventually ending in Chinese success. In 60 BC Han China established the Protectorate of the Western Regions (西域都護府) at Wulei (烏壘; near modern Luntai) to oversee the entire region as far west as the Pamir. Tarim Basin was under the influence and control of the Han dynasty."

Govt. White Papers - china.org.cn

"The Xiongnu entered Xinjiang mainly around 176 B.C. The Han was one of the earliest peoples to settle in Xinjiang.

In 101 B.C., the Han empire began to station garrison troops to open up wasteland for cultivation of farm crops in Luntai (Bügür), Quli and some other places. Later, it sent troops to all other parts of Xinjiang for the same purpose. All the garrison reclamation points became the early settlements of the Han people after they entered Xinjiang. Since the Western Regions Frontier Command was established in 60 B.C., the inflow of the Han people to Xinjiang, including officials, soldiers and merchants, had never stopped."

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"two-thousand-year-old Han dynasty watchtower, outside Kuqa (Xinjiang)"

Source: Bradley Mayhew: Travels in Xinjiang

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"Han Dynasty Great Wall in the desert.

Great Wall in the Desert


The remnants of Han Dynasty (206 B.C. – 220 A.D.) Great Wall can be found in the Gobi desert. The section that we will look at is part of a stretch that crossed the desert from Hami to Jiuquan, the Great Wall in this area was made out of layers of reeds and rammed earth and gravel. Two thousand years later, some of the wall remains in reasonable—but weathered—condition. The wall here, and the soldiers who garrisoned it, made the area safer for the traders and pilgrims on the Silk Road."

Source: Beijing Hikers - Special Trips

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"Ruins of a beacon tower of the Han Dynasty in Lop Nur, Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region

As the symbol of the strong politics and economy of the Qin (221 BC - 206 BC) and Han (206 BC - 220) Dynasties, Great Wall of the Qin and Han Dynasties was built on the sites of the northern Great Walls of the Qin, Zhao and Yan States of the Warring States Period (476 BC - 221 BC), stretching for over 6,000 kilometers (3,728 miles) from east to west. Related Intro: Qin Dynasty Great Wall, Han Dynasty Great Wall"

Source: Pictures of China Great Wall in Qin and Han Dynasties

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1,700-year-old Han Style Tombs Discovered in Xinjiang : Confucius Online – Chinese Culture and Chinese Philosophy.

1,700-year-old Han Style Tombs Discovered in Xinjiang
By nimeitu on 10/1/2010

Several 1700- year-old Han style tombs were unearthed in Kuqa County of the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region at a construction site of an underground business street. This is the first time Han style tombs at that age have been found in Xinjiang.

Comparing with tombs discovered in Jiangsu, Shandong, Shaanxi, Henan and Shanxi provinces, these tombs were identified as being built during the Qiuci Kingdom, between the middle of 3rd century and 4th century.

The discovery of these tombs fills a gaping hole concerning the ancient Qiuci Kingdom. They are significant for researching intimate political, commercial and cultural relationships between the Xiyu (western regions) Areas, the ancient Xinjiang region, and central China.

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The corridor and a door of a side room in the No. 1 tomb

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The No. 2 tomb, 2.5 meters high

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Skeletons discovered in the tomb

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Skeletons discovered near the front door of the No. 1 tomb
 
To all the Turks here give the Kurds their land or their full rights in Turkey and then come and talk about the Uyghers.:coffee: You all are nothing more then a bunch of hypocrites. And don't tell me that the Kurds have all the rights in Turkey because they obviously don't see it that way. And if you want to talk about occupied land ? How about the Turks occupying the land of the Kurds for 1000 years. They where there before you. Even Alexander the Great had to deal with them in his war against Persia. While the Turks got there just over 1000 years ago.
 
they still live in some Pan Turkestan wild dream, which was devastated by Han empire 2000 years ago.

The Great War was built to defend theBarbaric Tujue intrusion, who killed our people and plundered livestock. Finally The Han empire deported them out of Asia by force. Tujue is enemy of Hans, now Turkey admire Barbaric like hero?

give the land back to Kurds and them we talk about Uyghers.

To all the Turks here give the Kurds their land or their full rights in Turkey and then come and talk about the Uyghers.:coffee: You all are nothing more then a bunch of hypocrites. And don't tell me that the Kurds have all the rights in Turkey because they obviously don't see it that way. And if you want to talk about occupied land ? How about the Turks occupying the land of the Kurds for 1000 years. They where there before you. Even Alexander the Great had to deal with them in his war against Persia. While the Turks got there just over 1000 years ago.
now they think are some loving brothers or God come back for Uyhhers, that's ridiculous. It is Uyghera that annihilated Tujue thousands years ago.
 
To all the Turks here give the Kurds their land or their full rights in Turkey and then come and talk about the Uyghers.:coffee: You all are nothing more then a bunch of hypocrites. And don't tell me that the Kurds have all the rights in Turkey because they obviously don't see it that way. And if you want to talk about occupied land ? How about the Turks occupying the land of the Kurds for 1000 years. They where there before you. Even Alexander the Great had to deal with them in his war against Persia. While the Turks got there just over 1000 years ago.
Kurds have about everything. their political parties' demand is education only in Kurdish, which is not gonna happen. They are now at the stage of 'give them a hand, they take both hands'. it's like Uyghurs demanding every public signs, all education, everything in Xinjiang to be in Uyghur. That is not gonna happen either. Most Kurds and Turks live in harmony. Proof? Kurds are ~15% of Turkey and they live in south east of Turkey, if they wanted to separate from Turkey, they would have done so in times when Turkey was in terrible shape in the 70's and 80's.

You know what is hypocrisy? a commie criticizing other countries about democracy, freedom and human rights. Turkey is in this sense light years ahead of china. Kurds have their political parties, they criticize the govt and Turkey in general, they say the most disgusting things and get away with it under 'democracy', yet Turkish public tolerates them. I think i am not exaggerating when i say that Kurds even have more rights than Han chinese. ccp is a bully. they threaten anyone who wants to meet with Dalai lama, they silence and imprison Han and Uyghur activists for their 'wrong' opinion, they oppress Falun Gong, they oppress Christians with setting 'ccp churches' up etc. basically, china is a shithole if you dont sing ccp's songs. says enough about your country :coffee:
about Kurds living before there. That is bullshit. Kurds came to Anatolia region just like Turks did, they have no special right or privilege. During Ottoman-Safavid conflict, our ancestors took in sunni Kurds refugees from shia oppression. During Saddam Hussein's oppression of Kurds a few decades ago, Turkey again took in Kurdish refugees. And again, today Turkey is accepting and hosting millions of Kurdish refugees.

It all comes down to this point; you guys keep babbling about Kurds and history, but these are all off-topics here. You and most other chinese keep evading the topic about Uyghur issue. If you cant debate, then go elsewhere and not derail a topic in order to hide the dirty things of ccp. simple as that.
 
if Tuekey keep providing support to Uyhger Terrorists, we will address it. now we begin to adopt iron fist in Cingjiang Area in anti terrorists operation, you shall drop your pan Turkestan wild dream through plotting on Xingjiang. Some Turkish ignored the truth and keep instigating Uyhgers rebellion to hurt China integrity. Shame on you. and we will keep that in mind. At someday in the future, we will let you pay the price.


if Tuekey keep providing support to Uyhger Terrorists, we will address it. now we begin to adopt iron fist in Cingjiang Area in anti terrorists operation, you shall drop your pan Turkestan wild dream through plotting on Xingjiang. Some Turkish ignored the truth and keep instigating Uyhgers rebellion to hurt China integrity. Shame on you. and we will keep that in mind. At someday in the future, we will let you pay the price.
how is Turkey supporting Uyghur 'terrorists'? With providing knives?
Or because Turkey opens its doors to refugees? Ask yourself why ccp wants these Uyghurs back, because obviously these Uyghurs are not happy in China, hence they fled. Maybe ccp is angry because these Uyghurs freely tell about their negative experiences in China. If you want to be a big man, you shouldn't be afraid of criticism.
 
Kurds have about everything. their political parties' demand is education only in Kurdish, which is not gonna happen. They are now at the stage of 'give them a hand, they take both hands'. it's like Uyghurs demanding every public signs, all education, everything in Xinjiang to be in Uyghur. That is not gonna happen either. Most Kurds and Turks live in harmony. Proof? Kurds are ~15% of Turkey and they live in south east of Turkey, if they wanted to separate from Turkey, they would have done so in times when Turkey was in terrible shape in the 70's and 80's.

You know what is hypocrisy? a commie criticizing other countries about democracy, freedom and human rights. Turkey is in this sense light years ahead of china. Kurds have their political parties, they criticize the govt and Turkey in general, they say the most disgusting things and get away with it under 'democracy', yet Turkish public tolerates them. I think i am not exaggerating when i say that Kurds even have more rights than Han chinese. ccp is a bully. they threaten anyone who wants to meet with Dalai lama, they silence and imprison Han and Uyghur activists for their 'wrong' opinion, they oppress Falun Gong, they oppress Christians with setting 'ccp churches' up etc. basically, china is a shithole if you dont sing ccp's songs. says enough about your country :coffee:
about Kurds living before there. That is bullshit. Kurds came to Anatolia region just like Turks did, they have no special right or privilege. During Ottoman-Safavid conflict, our ancestors took in sunni Kurds refugees from shia oppression. During Saddam Hussein's oppression of Kurds a few decades ago, Turkey again took in Kurdish refugees. And again, today Turkey is accepting and hosting millions of Kurdish refugees.

It all comes down to this point; you guys keep babbling about Kurds and history, but these are all off-topics here. You and most other chinese keep evading the topic about Uyghur issue. If you cant debate, then go elsewhere and not derail a topic in order to hide the dirty things of ccp. simple as that.
The Kurds disagrees that they have full rights in Turkey and many of them still want their own country that is the point. You can repeat ad nauseam that they have everything they need but it still doesn't change the facts. The Kurds are 15% of the population and in order to keep them down you used fighter jets to bomb them that's how you kept them in Turkey.
 
how is Turkey supporting Uyghur 'terrorists'? With providing knives?
Or because Turkey opens its doors to refugees? Ask yourself why ccp wants these Uyghurs back, because obviously these Uyghurs are not happy in China, hence they fled. Maybe ccp is angry because these Uyghurs freely tell about their negative experiences in China. If you want to be a big man, you shouldn't be afraid of criticism.
Dude spare your energy, we know how fas CCP is in declaring ''terrorists'' even environment activists become easily terrorists and traitors only because they dared to critisize the goverment, in that sense i agree with Chinese, Uyghurs live in the same condition as the rest of the country.
 
So you don't deny that you occupied East-Turkestan in 1940?
Bro, Xinjiang means 'new frontier'. if you were an Uyghur, would you say 'Im from the new frontier!'??? doesnt make sense, they were there already. Chinese came there later, hence 'new frontier'. they betray themselves with this word only.
 
The Kurds disagrees that they have full rights in Turkey and many of them still want their own country that is the point. You can repeat ad nauseam that they have everything they need but it still doesn't change the facts. The Kurds are 15% of the population and in order to keep them down you used fighter jets to bomb them that's how you kept them in Turkey.
pkk barely has 5-15 thousand fighters out of 15 million Turkish Kurds alone, tells a lot if you ask me.
 
pkk barely has 5-15 thousand fighters out of 15 million Turkish Kurds alone, tells a lot if you ask me.
There are about 10 million Uyghers in China and only a handful are engaged in violence that's all you need to know. So on that bases the Uyghers have it better in China than the Kurds in Turkey.
 
The Kurds disagrees that they have full rights in Turkey and many of them still want their own country that is the point. You can repeat ad nauseam that they have everything they need but it still doesn't change the facts. The Kurds are 15% of the population and in order to keep them down you used fighter jets to bomb them that's how you kept them in Turkey.
Majority of Kurds in Turkey dont agree with you ;)
anyway, you ignored my whole post and dont bring any on-topic posts. Also, you keep ranting about Kurds and writing tragicomical bullshit like 'used jet fighters to keep them in Turkey' :omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:. so welcome to the ignore list ccp troll propagandist.

There are about 10 million Uyghers in China and only a handful are engaged in violence that's all you need to know. So on that bases the Uyghers have it better in China than the Kurds in Turkey.
LOL, great high chinese iq logic. ccp has mind-raped you, yet you love your raper. good luck in life ;)
 
There are about 10 million Uyghers in China and only a handful are engaged in violence that's all you need to know. So on that bases the Uyghers have it better in China than the Kurds in Turkey.
You was talking as if Kurds generally wanted indepence hence i showed you figures, even pkk gave the idea of indepence up, doesnt change anything at the ground reality.
 
Majority of Kurds in Turkey dont agree with you ;)
anyway, you ignored my whole post and dont bring any on-topic posts. Also, you keep ranting about Kurds and writing tragicomical bullshit like 'used jet fighters to keep them in Turkey' :omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:. so welcome to the ignore list ccp troll propagandist.


LOL, great high chinese iq logic. ccp has mind-raped you, yet you love your raper. good luck in life ;)
I have to lower my IQ to the level of the people I convers with.;)

And what is the reason for having the PKK if the Kurds are so satisfied ? The fact that the PKK still exist debunks your claims that the Kurds have it so good in Turkey.

Are you saying that during the decades of Kurdish Turkish conflict the air force was not involved ?
Who is bullshitting who here ?

Turkey bombs Kurdish PKK targets in south - Al Jazeera English
 
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is it possible to keep chinese members out of here? apparently not a single one is capable of writing something constructive. Instead they keep trying to derail the topic with off-topic stuff in order to hide the ugly face of china.
 
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