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The US is giving Vietnam $18 million for patrol boats to counter China

actually if you like both: viet girl and pho, then welcome to the viet camp :D

lol pho

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I like Pho, they are okay, but I don't like Rice Paper Roll...

About Vietnamese girl tho, man, I am married, I am not allow to talk about girl...
 
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Dude first of all let me clarify few things before I answer your comment. China has always helped us as the history is evident of that. And people who help us we never turn our backs towards them neither we help their enemies against them. For decades we have been warned by the US to discontinue our Military relationships with China, but we have never accepted any pressure whatsoever from US and its allays. And since we have been receiving a constant help from China we in return have always respected them, helped them when they needed and offered them our shores. Chinese have had sacrificed a lot to get their independence and so as we and so as Vietnamese. But, Chinese and Pakistanis knows that who were the murderers of their forefathers but I suppose you Vietnam people have forgotten everything. Infect you have become so ungrateful that now you will turn against Chinese who helped you and feed you during your bad days. Without their help you would have been under complete influence of US just like Japan is. But I believe you do not have any idea neither you will ever understand the dignity and pride. As it is clearly rectified from your statements that you have no dignity at all and that you have forgiven your elders and Country men blood just for the sake of few millions or billions.

And in the end let me tell you something. People who lost their loved ones in Vietnam War if they read your comments they would chop your hands off for good. At least I know Vietnam People this much that they do not forgive their enemies.

You don't really know China. China never help Vietnam in fighting the war with US. Supplying weapons, yes, but they never help fighting along side with North Vietnam. A real friend does both. If you're poor or broke, a real friend would give you a weapon and fight along side with you. Not China. American fought along side with South Vietnamese against Communist and they died with us. So your rant is nonsense. You people are good at manipulating. I once had a Pak friend but I rejected my relationship with the guy because he was such a manipulator and a fake friend. Never trust you people.

Man, what type of logic are you using here? ? Seems you are allowing your emotions take over your rational judgement. That's not how geo politics works, if you have even a little idea about how countries go about to protect their interests, then you wouldn't be making such rash arguments. Yes the Vietcong /VCP backed by it's Chinese /Soviet allies killed thousands for America soldiers(about 60,000) and the U. S killed almost 4million Vietnamese /carpet bombed the country almost to extinction. However, time has past and things have changed, so has interests.

The Chinese were once 'iron brothers'/strong allies with the Soviets, then they split and the Chinese became allies with the U. S/West as their interests with the Soviets no longer converge. Now the Chinese are back again with the Russians as their interests now match. The U.S was once an arch enemy /rival to Japan (even more than the Chinese today) and the U S dropped two atomic bombs on Japan. But today they are now buddies of convenience. So that's how countries behave, interests are always paramount, there are no friends just interests . So emotions /feelings should always be cast aside and look at the bigger picture, if a country doesn't do this (maybe because of ideology /religion like some Middle Eastern countries) then it's in for a lot of trouble.
So I see no reason Vietnam shouldn't get cosy /closer with the U. s if their interests match each other, any country under this situation will do the same so Vietnam ought to do what it things it's in it's interests. People can keep on blabbing all they like, but that won't change anything. Vietnam needs U. S western support/cooperation.


Fair enough, yes there are indeed many overseas Vietnamese (and even locals) who despise the VCP, just like there are many Chinese who also despise their CCP. However, until the people themselves decide enough is enough and take things into their own hands to topple the communist authoritarian corrupt one party regime. There is little anybody can do about it. I too think Vietnam will have been far better off had the VCP not won the war, since it would have saved Vietnam from all those lost decades of unnecessary wars, isolation and sanctions ,while it's neighbours matched on/moved ahead. same with China under the CCP instead of KMT.

US did not killed 4 million vietnamese. Most of the deaths resulted between South Vietnamese vs North. It was over 2 million Vietnamese died during the Vietnam war. That's a 25 years long war which resulted in 2 million (mostly civilians) deaths which is not as crazy as WWII. WWI and WWII there was no mercy on people. Many civilians died in a short time frame. The bomb air dropped didn't kill many people as claimed. Land mines killed more people. Vietnamese people learnt to run for cover when they hear the first bomb dropped and exploded or usually sirens warn people to run for cover.

Here's a fact, China never care to protect its Communist regime. They were too scared to fight with US because they think US would nuke them. They could only watch the North Vietnamese die.

Lets say I agree with you on this, and say that US is not a bad guy here. But I only look at the reality, and the reality is that wherever they went they just destroyed that part of the world. I mean com'n guys read the history. The amount of gold they stolen from Germany and Italy during world war 2 they never returned it back to its actual owners. They bombed Japan twice with nukes and they were preparing for third one but Japanese surrendered, they left poor Japanese on their on. Yes, US did sent couple of dozen scientists to check out that how big the devastation was? And since they were there, and couldn't move freely without the will of Japanese they had to help a little. Than they went to Korea and destroyed it pretty much completely, and than to Vietnam and also to middle east in 80's and 90's. And finally Afghanistan and Iraq. How would you explain Iraq situation? And Afghanistan situation? When US invaded Afghanistan there were 7 million refugees living in Pakistan, and currently they have reduced to 6 million. If US was this much kind to the entire world than how the heck their are still 6 million Afghan refugees living in Pakistan? The law n order situation is worse than ever out their. They just saved their *** and ran away. Why didn't they invested some $100 Billion in Afghanistan economy to give it a boost so that these poor Afghanis could return back to their homeland. Look at poor Iraq, what have they done to it? And they say yes it was a mistake, and they simply say sorry in the end. What the f* mate, you destroy humanity, destroy their lives, destroy their dignity in the end you simply say sorry. Thousands of Iraqi women were rapped, 178000 kids were dead. Their generation is gone, and US simply say sorry, she pays us couple of millions and we smile to them, just like nothing has ever happened. Yes humanity is getting cheap now a days. A good example is this Vietnamese guy on this forum, who still doesn't shut his mouth after he knows that his elders who sacrificed for his land would spit on his face after reading his comments.
I am not against the entire US nation, just against those policy makers who are chewing the entire world bit by bit and destroying it. God really keeps balance in this world. If he sees that one nation is getting out of control and pretending to be gods. He simply takes that power out of their hands and give it to another nation. History is evident that Power transfer was always their. And now that China is rising, US cannot simply digest it, and is using cheap tactics by using smaller nations to counter China. And propagates that China will finally take over your lands so be prepared for it. But, the reality is that US economy is shattered and she needs to sell its weapons as much as she can in order to bring back her crippled economy on track. And who would be the idle Nation? Yes off course poor Vietnamese, Philippines and Malaysians. Because, I will tell them that China is big evil and is planing to take over the entire world. They are good with their convincing and hatred games. Look how have they had convinced their Nation and and other Nations to attack Afghanistan and Iraq. You have to create a war in order to sell weapons, simply is that, I hope this reply will be sufficient to satisfy several brains.

You know what a two face is?

@Carlosa, I live in USA for 29 years all my life. More than you. And you are not in America now. You are in Vietnam. So I stand by my words questioning your credibility. And why do I have to keep emphasizing that distrusting Vietnam's ruling regime and objecting to Washington's confrontational approach against China in the South China Sea does NOT imply disloyalty to America. I guess in your world, there is no such thing as dissenting opinions and disagreements among its citizens in a democracy like in USA right? I am amazed at your twisted thinking coming from Europe.

You have twisted logic of a 12 years old.

25 years and 29 years make no difference. The fact is Carlosa can make friends outside his turf, and for you? Even myself have no respect for you. Like Carlosa was saying, if you don't like USA, then why do you even live there? go to China or somewhere that make you feel secure. US doesn't like communist, period. They want changes in Vietnam and that's why they are willing to help Vietnam. Because of that, I support the US.

Either way, Vietnam has no place to go. This could mark a new Chapter to end the Vietnamese communist regime and government. But that is what I hoping for, a regime change.

Before you go all crazy at US's decision, you need to look way back into history. The truth is, we don't know the real truth. All I know is that I get food on the table, safe to eat and I don't live in an 80 sqft home and 1.3 billion people to worry about.
 
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You have twisted logic of a 12 years old.

25 years and 29 years make no difference. The fact is Carlosa can make friends outside his turf, and for you? Even myself have no respect for you. Like Carlosa was saying, if you don't like USA, then why do you even live there? go to China or somewhere that make you feel secure. US doesn't like communist, period. They want changes in Vietnam and that's why they are willing to help Vietnam. Because of that, I support the US.
Ironic, so you want to support a communist country in order to change its communist regime? Vietnam is not going to change its regime and democratize because of American soft power. It's fellow neighbor, China, didn't do so with Richard Nixon.

And I do not know where you get the twisted idea that I do not like the USA as a whole? Based on your attitude, I do not need your pathetic respect.
 
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You don't really know China. China never help Vietnam in fighting the war with US. Supplying weapons, yes, but they never help fighting along side with North Vietnam. A real friend does both. If you're poor or broke, a real friend would give you a weapon and fight along side with you. Not China. American fought along side with South Vietnamese against Communist and they died with us. So your rant is nonsense. You people are good at manipulating. I once had a Pak friend but I rejected my relationship with the guy because he was such a manipulator and a fake friend. Never trust you people.



US did not killed 4 million vietnamese. Most of the deaths resulted between South Vietnamese vs North. It was over 2 million Vietnamese died during the Vietnam war. That's a 25 years long war which resulted in 2 million (mostly civilians) deaths which is not as crazy as WWII. WWI and WWII there was no mercy on people. Many civilians died in a short time frame. The bomb air dropped didn't kill many people as claimed. Land mines killed more people. Vietnamese people were smart enough to ran for cover when they hear the first bomb being dropped.

Here's a fact, China never care to protect its Communist regime. They were too scared to fight with US because they think US would nuke them. They could only watch the North Vietnamese die.



You know what a two face is?

Wow, hay guys have you ever seen anyone more ignorant than this guy? You said and I am quoting you "You don't really know China. China never help Vietnam in fighting the war with US. Supplying weapons, yes, but they never help fighting along side with North Vietnam."
And here is your proof; if I am wrong than I believe Wikipedia and all the historic evidence are untrue and unauthentic too and you are Dalai Lama son I believe.
Vietnam_War

Here is your answer, and plz stop pretending you are Vietnamese, and let me answer you, my x wife was a Vietnamese and I have spend many years in Vietnam. If you know nothing about me than I should suggest you, you should really stay out of this forum. Because you are not representing Vietnam. Ho Chi Minh once said "The Vietnamese people deeply love independence, freedom and peace. But in the face of United States aggression they have risen up, united as one man.
"Ho Chi Minh"
 
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Oh please. You make me laugh too much. There is nothing to hide. You and others (anti-China critics) of like-minded opinions are just too biased to see my point.

Actually, your opinion is biased. Regardless of what you say, your heart is biased, thus your mind is affected by your feelings. The fact that you're half chinese and vietnamese, your heart and mind functions differently than pure breed. It is a fact and you cannot argue with this. However, you're more supportive on the Chinese side which also demonstrate that 70% of your feelings are towards Chinese and 30% Vietnamese. To a true Vietnamese such as myself, I don't respect your opinion on how you think US should handle the situation in Vietnam. You can hate Vietnamese people or me. I could careless, but there are millions of innocent Vietnamese people that live in Vietnam. There's a handful of people in Vietnam that I also hate and those people are the corrupted people that runs the country (most of them were influenced by Chinese). Vietnam is a small country but its people's spirits aren't small.

I'm not the type of person that bully the small.

Wow, hay guys have you ever seen anyone more ignorant than this guy? You said and I am quoting you "You don't really know China. China never help Vietnam in fighting the war with US. Supplying weapons, yes, but they never help fighting along side with North Vietnam."
And here is your proof; if I am wrong than I believe Wikipedia and all the historic evidence are untrue and unauthentic too and you are Dalai Lama son I believe.
Vietnam_War

Here is your answer, and plz stop pretending you are Vietnamese, and let me answer you, my x wife was a Vietnamese and I have spend many years in Vietnam. If you know nothing about me than I should suggest you, you should really stay out of this forum. Because you are not representing Vietnam. Ho Chi Minh once said "The Vietnamese people deeply love independence, freedom and peace. But in the face of United States aggression they have risen up, united as one man.
"Ho Chi Minh"

"The Vietnamese people deeply love independence, freedom and peace. But in the face of United States aggression they have risen up, united as one man."

That's all you know? Your x wife was a Vietnamese. Oh, you're credible now just because your X wife WAS vietnamese. Don't speak about Vietnamese when you're not a Vietnamese. You know nothing. Don't start saying garbage that you have no knowledge of. If you do, I don't care if I get ban for calling you stupid.
 
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Actually, your opinion is biased. Regardless of what you say, your heart is biased, thus your mind is affected by your feelings. The fact that you're half chinese and vietnamese, your heart and mind functions differently than pure breed. It is a fact and you cannot argue with this. However, you're more supportive on the Chinese side which also demonstrate that 70% of your feelings are towards Chinese and 30% Vietnamese. To a true Vietnamese such as myself, I don't respect your opinion on how you think US should handle the situation in Vietnam. You can hate Vietnamese people or me. I could careless, but there are millions of innocent Vietnamese people that live in Vietnam. There's a handful of people in Vietnam that I also hate and those people are the corrupted people that runs the country (most of them were influenced by Chinese). Vietnam is a small country but its people's spirits aren't small.

I'm not the type of person that bully the small.



"The Vietnamese people deeply love independence, freedom and peace. But in the face of United States aggression they have risen up, united as one man."

That's all you know? Your x wife was a Vietnamese. Oh, you're credible now just because your X wife WAS vietnamese. Don't speak about Vietnamese when you're not a Vietnamese. You know nothing. Don't start saying garbage that you have no knowledge of. If you do, I don't care if I get ban for calling you stupid.
And your feelings are 100% for Vietnamese and asking America to help your corrupted communist leaders that you hate?
 
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Ironic, so you want to support a communist country in order to change its communist regime? Vietnam is not going to change its regime and democratize because of American soft power. It's fellow neighbor, China, didn't do so with Richard Nixon.

And I do not know where you get the twisted idea that I do not like the USA as a whole? Based on your attitude, I do not need your pathetic respect.

Because you can't get any from me. You will never will. You're too insecure to even earn respect.
 
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Actually, your opinion is biased. Regardless of what you say, your heart is biased, thus your mind is affected by your feelings. The fact that you're half chinese and vietnamese, your heart and mind functions differently than pure breed. It is a fact and you cannot argue with this. However, you're more supportive on the Chinese side which also demonstrate that 70% of your feelings are towards Chinese and 30% Vietnamese. To a true Vietnamese such as myself, I don't respect your opinion on how you think US should handle the situation in Vietnam. You can hate Vietnamese people or me. I could careless, but there are millions of innocent Vietnamese people that live in Vietnam. There's a handful of people in Vietnam that I also hate and those people are the corrupted people that runs the country (most of them were influenced by Chinese). Vietnam is a small country but its people's spirits aren't small.

I'm not the type of person that bully the small.



"The Vietnamese people deeply love independence, freedom and peace. But in the face of United States aggression they have risen up, united as one man."

That's all you know? Your x wife was a Vietnamese. Oh, you're credible now just because your X wife WAS vietnamese. Don't speak about Vietnamese when you're not a Vietnamese. You know nothing. Don't start saying garbage that you have no knowledge of. If you do, I don't care if I get ban for calling you stupid.
ok i acknowledge that i m stupid, if this satisfy u, i hope u will be happy to know that.
 
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You need reading comprehension lesson then come back and talk to me..
You need to reread your posts.
Because you can't get any from me. You will never will. You're too insecure to even earn respect.
Like I said, you are not worth anything to me to get respect from while running your "high and mighty" big mouth of yours.
 
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Actually, your opinion is biased. Regardless of what you say, your heart is biased, thus your mind is affected by your feelings. The fact that you're half chinese and vietnamese, your heart and mind functions differently than pure breed. It is a fact and you cannot argue with this. However, you're more supportive on the Chinese side which also demonstrate that 70% of your feelings are towards Chinese and 30% Vietnamese. To a true Vietnamese such as myself, I don't respect your opinion on how you think US should handle the situation in Vietnam. You can hate Vietnamese people or me. I could careless, but there are millions of innocent Vietnamese people that live in Vietnam. There's a handful of people in Vietnam that I also hate and those people are the corrupted people that runs the country (most of them were influenced by Chinese). Vietnam is a small country but its people's spirits aren't small.

I'm not the type of person that bully the small.



"The Vietnamese people deeply love independence, freedom and peace. But in the face of United States aggression they have risen up, united as one man."

That's all you know? Your x wife was a Vietnamese. Oh, you're credible now just because your X wife WAS vietnamese. Don't speak about Vietnamese when you're not a Vietnamese. You know nothing. Don't start saying garbage that you have no knowledge of. If you do, I don't care if I get ban for calling you stupid.

Waste of time if you try to get to him, his head is pretty hard, these type of people only learn when they crash and burn. This guy has so much ethnic mix and at the same time so little life experience, let alone life experience in either Vietnam or China that actually doesn't even have a clue about any of those countries. As he said before, he likes China because it has a bigger role in the world and because their flag is prettier. That already tells you enough about how sophisticated his thinking is.

By the way, my 25 years in USA were 25 years as an adult, a bit different than being 29 years old now.
 
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Waste of time if you try to get to him, his head is pretty hard, these type of people only learn when they crash and burn. This guy has so much ethnic mix and at the same time so little life experience, let alone life experience in either Vietnam or China that actually doesn't even have a clue about any of those countries. As he said before, he likes China because it has a bigger role in the world and because their flag is prettier. That already tells you enough about how sophisticated his thinking is.

By the way, my 25 years in USA were 25 years as an adult, a bit different than being 29 years old now.
I think you are truly racist against mixed race people. And China is too important to the world economically as compared to Vietnam. The world will not throw China under the bus on behalf of Vietnam and the Philippines. You have to be pragmatic also.
 
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I think you are truly racist against mixed race people. And China is too important to the world economically as compared to Vietnam. The world will not throw China under the bus on behalf of Vietnam and the Philippines. You have to be pragmatic also.

Really? Show me one word that I said that indicates that.

Actually, you saying that, tells me that you are used to get that type of response right? That's why you feel that you don't belong there maybe?

I'm pragmatic and realistic man. The thing is, before making strong opinions about Vietnam or China, I suggest you spend time there, REAL TIME, so that you actually lear a little bit about the subject and about how people there think and feel before talking too much.
 
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Really? Show me one word that I said that indicates that.

Actually, you saying that, tells me that you are used to get that type of response right? That's why you feel that you don't belong there maybe?

I'm pragmatic and realistic man. The thing is, before making strong opinions about Vietnam or China, I suggest you spend time there, REAL TIME, so that you actually lear a little bit about the subject and about how people there think and feel before talking too much.
That is only your assessment. Your advice is not sound.
 
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