Biden to sign strategic partnership deal with Vietnam in latest bid to counter China in the region

[Song Hong]

Burden of proof on you, buddy.

...... and a lot of cambodian national appointment is quite hereditary, as for now.

Heng Samrin - Wikipedia

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Chea Sim - Wikipedia

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Sar Kheng - Wikipedia

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Sar Sokha - Wikipedia

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[Puffin]

If Vietnam just ups and joins China on a dime or even over the course of a few years, the U.S. then has the room to launch insurgencies in Vietnam, as that 100+ years of propaganda can easily be used against Vietnam in that scenario.


You can see the panic that has set in for Modi when the U.S. managed to inflame tensions between India and China over and over and over and over again.


Modi, who had good relations with China, now has zero room to maneuver due to the Indian population being brought to a boiling point.


Either Modi moves against China, or Modi loses his most important voter base.

You really live in gagaland of your own design. No one can debate with such grotesque stupidity.

 

[REhorror]

...... and a lot of cambodian national appointment is quite hereditary, as for now.

Heng Samrin - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Chea Sim - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Sar Kheng - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Sar Sokha - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Heng Samrin

Heng Samrin was born in Kampong Cham Province, Cambodia, in 1934. He joined the Khmer Rouge communist movement led by Pol Pot, and became a political commissar and army division commander when the Khmer Rouge, backed by China, took over the government in 1975. In 1978, after a series of violent purges within the Khmer Rouge leadership in which many prominent cadre members whom Pol Pot felt might be rivals were executed, he fled to Vietnam.[3]

In Vietnam he was one of the founding members of the Kampuchean United Front for National Salvation (FUNSK). Later that year, Heng returned to Cambodia and organized a resistance movement with the backing and support of Vietnam and the Soviet Union.

Chea Sim

Chea Sim was born on 15 November 1932, in Romeas Haek, Svay Rieng Province to an ethnic Chinese family.[5] As a young man, he partook in one of the first revolutionary movement by the communist Khmer People's Revolutionary Party (Khmer: គណបក្សប្រជាជនបដិវត្តន៍កម្ពុជា, KPRP), currently the ruling party of Cambodia. The movement which he joined was against Colonial France in the early 1950s. He later became a military commander of the communist Khmer Rouge even before it finally toppled the US-backed Lon Nol government in 1975.[6]

Like Heng Samrin and Hun Sen, he defected in 1978 from the Khmer Rouge, which was backed by China, and fled to Vietnam to join an anti-Khmer Rouge movement known as a resistance faction groomed by Vietnam. He later held positions in the new party and People's Republic of Kampuchea government, installed and backed by Vietnam after it invaded Cambodia and ousted the Khmer Rouge in 1979.[6] He was among the founding members of the United Front for the National Salvation of Kampuchea, the Vietnam-backed group that defeated the Khmer Rouge in 1979.[7]

Sar Kheng

Along with Heng Samrin, Chea Sim, and Hun Sen, Sar Kheng was among the Democratic Kampuchea cadres of the Eastern Zone.[6] However, after commander of the Eastern Zone Sar Phim[7] was assassinated, Sar Kheng, Hun Sen, and other leaders who refused the purges of the Cambodian genocide went into the opposition against the Khmers Rouges.[8] The ties and friendships made at that time have lasted and still continue to determine Cambodian politics. Since they fled to Vietnam, they have been accused of being pro-Vietnamese. After the Vietnamese troops entered Cambodia and pushed back the Khmers Rouge to the North West provinces, Kheng, along with his brother-in-law Chea Sim, took on leadership positions in national security and were identified as "hard-liners" in the People's Republic of Kampuchea government, fighting to eradicate the Khmer Rouge from Cambodia.[9]

Sar Sokha

Sar Sokha (Khmer: ស សុខា; born 4 June 1981) is a Cambodian politician and lieutenant general[1] who currently serves as a secretary of state at the Ministry of Education, Youth and Sport.[2] He is the son of Interior Minister Sar Kheng, whom he will succeed in the new administration of Hun Manet.[3]

Literally all of these defected to Vietnam and fought against Khmer Rouge or related to Khmer Rouge defector.

Bro, what the f*ck are you even talking about?

 

[Song Hong]

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Heng Samrin

Chea Sim

Sar Kheng

Sar Sokha

Literally all of these defected to Vietnam and fought against Khmer Rouge or related to Khmer Rouge defector.

Bro, what the f*ck are you even talking about?

They are high ranking Khmer Rouge not happy with Pot. Then Vietnam tell everyone they are good guys,

 

[REhorror]

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They are high ranking Khmer Rouge not happy with Pot. Then Vietnam tell everyone they are good guys,

So they literally fought against Pol Pot.

And you expect me to believe Pol Pot is the good guy?

 

[Song Hong]

Problem of pot is.... Too long to explain

 

[REhorror]

inb4 some dumb shit about Pol Pot is not Khmer Rouge, and the Khmer Rouge defectors are the real Khmer Rouge

Bro, get over it, even the modern Chinese govt doesn't admit to supporting Khmer Rouge now.

 

[zhxy]

This blame game is completely pointless.

Each side can keep its point of view, there is no need to try to convince the other side.

 

[Song Hong]

Hun Sen is just Khmer Rouge pro Vietnam faction at some point of time. But then when Hun Sen got power, he turn completely to China -- again. Just like Pot.

But now, Vietnam cant find Hun Sen v2.0 and march to Phnom Pen,

 

[REhorror]

Hun Sen isn't anti Vietnamese.
And neither is his son.

 

[KAL-EL]

This blame game is completely pointless.

Each side can keep its point of view, there is no need to try to convince the other side.

But that's what some people here try to do continuously, convince convince convince. 99.9% of the time it doesn't work, because most people here are politically and ideologically set in their ways.

 

[Song Hong]

Back to topic, I dont see US can move very far in security relation with Vietnam so long as Pham Minh Chinh in power.

Quanh Ninh boss become national boss. It is a sign the Dang Cong San want to work with China,

 

[Viet]

The plan of the japanese is to bait an US - China war so they become fisherman.
Falling that, use of China's threat to rebuild their military and become a normal country and break the US's chain.

This is said by both the japanese and chinese, and it makes sense.

Japan military is not what it was in the past. The US is the only force that capable to deter Chinese military. But that turns out the Chinese don’t care. so the US now develops a new strategy which includes the economic strangulation of China. That makes more sense than just putting more missiles in far east.

 

[Song Hong]

Japan military is not what it was in the past. The US is the only force that capable to deter Chinese imperialism. But seems the Chinese don’t care, so the US develops a new strategy which includes the economic strangulation of China. That makes sense.

Japan killed more Vietnamese likely 1 million -- far more than China.

They took all the food from Nam Dinh, and people there starve to death.

This is the reason why entire male folks of Nam Dinh joined Dang Cong San.

Its effect still linger.

Most generals in army are Nam Dinh.

 

[REhorror]

Japan military is not what it was in the past. The US is the only force that capable to deter Chinese military. But seems the Chinese don’t care, so the US develops a new strategy which includes the economic strangulation of China. That makes sense.

I don't think you understand.

Japan current military is a Self Defense Force, in legal sense they are glorified police. Japan cannot legally have an army right now.

The dream of the japanese is to break the US's chain and have an army like a normal country.