I understand these affairs better than many common citizens of Pakistan. Afghanistan cannot be used as an example to predict war based outcomes in any other theatre in the world.
Thanks God, at least you accepted this..
Regarding economy; US industrial base is phenomenal in size and is doing fine.
Here is something for you..
The US is Running Out of Ammunition for the Coming Economic Crisis
“The United States may well be faced with a recessionary trend coupled with a potential financial crisis with no remedy at hand because of its policies over the past two and a half years. As for the American people, who instinctively know all is not well, they must continue to reduce their personal debt burden, not assume new debt, and be prepared to ride out the storm if and when it breaks. The Republicans in Congress must ignore the hysteria and doom and gloom scenarios proffered by the media and the Democrats and dramatically reduce spending permanently before any increase in the debt ceiling.
The financial world will not collapse if the US does not raise its debt ceiling based on an artificial timetable; but there will be a major crisis of disastrous proportions down the road if spending, debt, and runaway government are not brought under control and the country cannot reimburse its bond holders with or without paying a usurious interest rate.”
US is also supporting it’s WOT through alternative means. As an example: its presence in Iraq ensures free flow of OIL to sustain fuel related needs of its war-machine where ever needed.
Exactly my point, It was what they “thought” but the global outcry ensured that they had to leave the control..
U.S. Companies Shut Out as Iraq Auctions Its Oil Fields
“Those who claim that the U.S. invaded Iraq in 2003 to get control of the country's giant oil reserves will be left scratching their heads by the results of last weekend's auction of Iraqi oil contracts: Not a single U.S. company secured a deal in the auction of contracts that will shape the Iraqi oil industry for the next couple of decades. Two of the most lucrative of the multi-billion-dollar oil contracts went to two countries which bitterly opposed the U.S. invasion — Russia and China — while even Total Oil of France, which led the charge to deny international approval for the war at the U.N.”
It proves nothing. Unlike Pakistan, US have independent means to sustain itself through hard times.
As per our predictions/wishes, US should have been destroyed by now. Therefore, do not presume too much.
No sane analyst ever predicted US to destabilize in Iraq or Afghan war.. so your point is?
Focus on our economic means in case of hostilities with US. Aid would be completely blocked. Heavy sanctions would be enforced on us to ensure our ECONOMIC COLLAPSE. ISAF in Afghanistan will be prepared to defend itself through advanced weapons systems. Military operations against us will commence afterwards. This is how US fights.
Your illogical flight is too farfetched for me to respond, too many parameters; in short, Pakistan’s economic collapse will not be a problem either way. A full frontal war is going to bring it anyways, which we can survive, though it would take us a decade behind, question is about US.. So please stick to it..
As far as the AWS is concerned, it wouldn’t be possible for US to save those bases for long from consecutive aerial and land based attacks, as I said before, Iraq and Afghanistan were a different ball games, Pakistan is a whole new territory, why do you think the US think tank is still “thinking”? when they have gone to war on lot lesser issues.. (WMDs hoax?)
Yes, And US also stole a lot from Iraq. This is one of the examples of ALTERNATIVE MEASURES being employed by US to sustain it’s WOT based efforts. Iraq is still effectively under US control. Iranian backed resistance efforts to defeat US in Iraq did not work.
First portion responded above.. As far as Iran is concerned, as soon as the war with Pakistan breaks out, Iran would raise the ante in Iraq..
And do not forget that those arabs harbor strong anti-iranian feelings as well.
And this is happening too:
WikiLeaks cables portray Saudi Arabia as a cash machine for terrorists
Relevance to the topic?
Even if we take it on the face value, the “terrorists” are anti-American and they would love to have a “Supporting and fighting force” behind them.. More devastation for US IMO..
And you have figured it out all already? Do you think that US will come in to Pakistan without doing any home work? US already knows what we are capable of and what it will do in case of hostilities (God forbid)
And that’s the reason for concerns for them, otherwise they would had been in Pakistan a couple of years ago, and you might have been licking or
getting kicked by some US and UK boots..
So what do you expect them to say? It’s called bluffing, the worth of the bluff is known when one calls it..
They did not bluff Iraq or Afghanistan or Libya or Syria now did they? If you remember, they did not went in Iraq until few “investigations” were done "thoroughly" before hand by "UN inspectors"..
Eventually, we will be DOOMED in this hypothetical conflict. No victory to boast about.
Neither would they.. That’s the whole point of my discussion. I never claimed that we would have a flagged victory, now did i?
And what about stupidity and strategic short-sightedness? The two very factors due to which Pakistan currently finds itself in such a mess…
I agree to this whole heartedly, firstly, we shouldn’t have joined Soviet-Afghan war, secondly, we should have kept Afghans in a barb-wired area and should have sent them back as soon as US withdrew its support and troops.
Should I make a list of similar events in Pakistan? Whom are you fooling here?
And when have I claimed that we are not in war? We are in war right now my friend, not a full-frontal though, and we should avoid it as much as possible.
Regarding war in Iraq:
Iraq withdrawal: a timeline - Telegraph
Withdrawal phase clearly in progress.
Reason I have mentioned already, there is nothing US can get out of there anymore, so its time for them to leave the mess they created..
As Usual..
The endgame of Afghanistan is also being planned, which I hope happens soon.
Again, leaving the mess for us Pakistanis to clean..
Hope they get out and leave us alone, any further infiltration in Pakistan’s affairs would inflame the public more and then we might see people taking matters into their own hands.. which won't be good IMHO..
And from where he is getting those BALLS from? You think that you understand the strategic situation of Pakistan better than our TOP BRASS?
They understand it better then me, difference is, I am not under direct command of CIC and neither am i CIC who is always “for sale”..
Another evidence of prematurish mindset of yours. Expected though.
Are you qualified or hold an authority to judge prematurish mindset? Or are you just acting like one..
These nations did nothing when Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, and Libya were invaded. They will do nothing in case of Pakistan and Iran either. They are just playing PRESSURE POLICTICS and nothing else.
For a zillionth time, Pakistan is in a different league, or shall I “ S P E L L “ it for you?
Pakistan is a nuclear state, if in the extreme conditions, or through “stupidity” of someone, Pakistan was to use even couple of them, that would be a disaster for the whole region, including India, China, Russia, Iran, Afghanistan and few other countries for next few decades, hence, the involvement certainty..
Hope now you understand..
