How about a live and let policy is it too hard to understand or do you still prefer daesh like laws in the 21st century?
Well these things are totally comparable i mean they had witch hunts in the past and we have blasphemer hunts
How would you feel if you got killed by your family just for being raped it halpens in our society does it make us slaves of west if we want better laws?
Our society is full of flaws and we need to look at solutions that work
Who is NOT letting you live? Live and let live doesn't mean you get to corrupt the society since human beings are social beings and get influenced. One of the foremost commands of islam is to promote good and forbid evil. Meaning u don't get to flaunt your corrupt ideas and immoral behavior in public for the greater good of the society and stability. While Islam allows non-muslims to live their lives as per their beliefs , customs and values, the tyrannical philosophy of liberalism doesn't even allows its minorities that basic right , if the minorities doesn't conform to certain liberal beliefs and customs. John loke the founder of liberalism actually justified certain restrictions on private lives of christians to ensure stability of his liberal utopian society. He had similar views regarding muslims. Now a days u can see how the modern liberal western countries are treating their muslim minorities. Enacting all sorts of draconian laws against practicing muslims.
No its not comparable. If being in denial helps you sooth your inferiority complex, then so be it. The church had complete and utter control of the state in medieval europe and it was not simply science VS church since church also promoted scientific development and universities. It was more of a power struggle between the old guard (church) , pro-monarchist and a rising affluent mercantile elite. None of the conditions are present in the muslim world.
For the last 100 years ulema don't have any power (even in KSA their power is blown out of proportion). Ulemas btw are some of the brightest minds of the muslim world unlike catholic christianity . Vast majority of the muslim world is essentially a secular shithole ruled by corrupt secular liberal dacoits. Your country and my country are perfect example. WHat you r seeing now is the reaction to 100 years of secular colonial imperialism and islamic intellectual resurgence with some wayward sporadic violence by certain fringe groups. Now its understandable that folks like u who r the most beneficiary of the post-colonial status quo are frightened and worried abt losing your privileged status.
Blashphemy law is necessary since the divinely revealed islamic principles and the honor of the Prophets and sahabas can not be allowed to be ridiculed by intellectually bankrupt bigots who only promote hatred and chaos. Islam doesn't sanction absolute freedom of speech just like the west. There r red lines you can not cross.
As for your 2nd para. Well PAK is governed by secular british common laws and honor killings has nothing to do with islam but a remnant of the pre-islamic pagan culture that u seculars are so proud off. Are u so intellectually disingenuous to actually blame islam for your corrupt cultural practice. In my country , there r similar cultural hindu practices like for eg. dowry called
joutuk (i.e the brides family have to give the grooms family a large sum of money as demanded by the groom) . Inability to give joutuk can result in the bride getting tortured, oppressed and killed. While its well known that Islam completely forbids it and actually commands that the groom to give the bride mahr. Without marh the marriage is invalid. Clearly your secular laws and are not working. Your should blame your secular courts and corrupt police for unislamic cultural practices instead of being intellectually so disingenuous and shameless.
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I was tolerating his rhetoric but i seriously stopped reading him after this .That,s why i said when you make religion your benchmark to judge right and wrong you will simply see other,s as inferior or infidels.Now imagine doing this on much bigger scale and it,s consquences i.e making a country islamic. Is there any sense in arguing with such people? @havisultan
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All the things you mentioned are directly related with secularism because they originated in secular societies.None of those things were invented in your ideal Islamic nations where people don,t like to study science and are too busy blowing each other up and issuing fatwas.
I am the one who has to tolerate and give long replies to your intellectually disingenuous crap. Consider yourself privileged to have my some of my time. Your don't even care what islam says so why bother when someone points out your deceitful behavior and ignorance. Allah commands you to do X but u decide to do Y . Now what's worse is that u don't stop there but intend to promote Y instead of X and even attempt to justify Y while claiming that doing X is wrong. What are you actually doing apart from questioning Allah (swt) and saying that Allah is wrong (nauzubillah). Now if u are so inept and ignorant (which i think many liberals actually are) to not have realized the severe repercussions of your actions, that's another matter. But don't fret just bcs someone points out your 2 faced deceitful beliefs and actions.
And don't cut and cherry pick lines from my post. Quote it full. If u have stopped reading , don't waste your time repeating your intellectually disingenuous crap.
If religion and only religion was enough to glue muslims together Bengal would not have seperated. Whereever religious rules are imposed there is immense tension in society. Secularism is not an anti Islamic concept. It is simply what has been taught to us and unlearning this will take decades, decades of unrest in muslim countries. I don't want to impose secularism without the will of the people but I want people to think of it positively.
You are repeating the same old non-sense that i replied to couple of months back. I think you already know that secularism is antithetical to Islam and vise-versa . Now u can have your beliefs but don't try to do hermeneutical gymnastics with the text of Quran and Sunnah to justify your preconceived notions and beliefs shaped by liberalism . What you r trying to do is futile, hypocritical , morally wrong , intellectually disingenuous and your are only deceiving your self. 1.5 bn people don't share your views and often get deeply hurt by you mocking their religion and way of life.
And its good to know that u don't to impost secularism. Hope you have no problem if a bearded guy gives sermons explaining the kufr of secularism to the masses with you not screaming and labeling him a illiterate extremist/terrorists/mullah/fanatic etc etc .
Yeh. You mean this guy below - Ataturk. He defeated the European invaders's and saved his land and people from colonialism. The republic (Turkey) he set up has gone from strength to strength. Today it is amongst the most advanced and powerful Muslim countries in the world.
Then you have so called Islamists. A synonym for medievalism like this guy below (Mullah Omar) who presided over destruction of his country and rape of his people by Western invaders. This is what the genius of Islamists gets you. A Neo colonial land with Western soldiers trampling over you. With millions of Afghan's living under Western secularism as migrants in refugee camps in Europe.
Ataturk was a tyrant bigot of the highest order. Far right in Europe is yet to produce a ataturk. That guy hated islam with a passion and i doubt he even wanted to have a muslim label. He banned the fez, changed arabic script to latin , ordered azan to be given in turkish , closed mosque and madrassas. In short he did everything to make sure muslims in turkey can't behave and act as muslims. That's what a totalitarian satanic ideology like secularism did to turkey. How was it separation of church and state ? What happened to turkey after WWI is sad and tragic.
A person can not be judged good based on military victories and political achievements. Stalin industrialized russia in 20 years but slaughtered tens of millions. Same goes for the likes of hitler , churchill , mao etc. Materialistic achievement in and of itself has nothing to do with justice and fairness. The bigot won against europeans not for the sake of muslim turks but for his own political agenda. It doesn't in any way justify what he did to turkish muslims.
The republic of turkey was the sick man of europe and looked down upon up until the beginning of 21st century. Its not a good example for muslim countris to follow. It didn't even have much material achievement and even if it had it still wouldn't have been a good example to follow. Material achievement is NO bench mark of success at least to muslims. West is materially vary advance with a sick and morally degraded society on a down ward spiral to chaos.
Mollah omar had nothing o do with t he destruction of AF. Only pro-neocon intellectually dishonest people will say that he had anything to do with neo-con invasion of AF. Neo-con secular liberal US invaded and pilaged AF to promote secularism and democracy while AF taliban fought them and is still fighting them. US is now negotiating with AF taliban knowing that taliban are there to stay in AF as a major force. Millions of AF living under western secularism is bcs some secular bush , dick and cheny decided to carpet bomb the country and show their egalitarian way of life to muslims world wide.