The Truth About Mumbai Attacks (Indias Hindu Radicals Responsible)

[niaz]

IMO attack on innocent unarmed civilian is the most heinous crime against humanity and cannot be condemned enough. There is however no excuse for the war mongering and the intimidating posture that Indian government and especially Indian media has taken. I quote below an article by Ikram Sehgal, which rationally analyses the situation. Which I quote below:


Battle stations?

Thursday, December 25, 2008
Ikram Sehgal

The horrific Mumbai tragedy has spawned and force-multiplied new dimensions of geopolitical instability. The tactical change by terrorists to classic urban guerrilla warfare notwithstanding, the strategic dimensions unfolding are extremely worrying. Motivated analyses (initially without even prima-facie evidence) by experts trotted out by BBC and CNN, coincidentally all of Indian origin, flashed news within minutes around the world about the terrorists being of Pakistani origin. These “experts” had the ISI on their blinking eyelashes, the Indian electronic media pushed this line for all it is worth. When the ISI canard was proved wrong, for universal perception to take hold the falsehood was persisted with. It is the height of stupidity not to accept that Ajmal Kasab is a Pakistani, NADRA ID or not. Our investigators can get far more out of him then whatever the Indians can. India and Pakistan need to tackle terrorist problems together by sharing “actionable intelligence” instead of indulging in a blame game. With interests coinciding in the “war against terrorism,” why is India attempting to isolate Pakistan as “a failed State” in the making?

The Mumbai operation was not possible logistically without indigenous support. The 10-12 attackers (in two-man teams) went about their deadly business confidently and professionally—secondary locations creating diversions the terrorists attacked the primary targets, the Taj Hotel, Hotel Oberoi and Nariman House—which suggests intimate knowledge of Mumbai. They moved about as if they had lived in the place for years. The volume of ammunition, grenades and explosives used in Close Quarter Battle (CQB) in the first few hours, would put to shame the “first-” and “second-line” authorisation of an infantry company (comprising 149 soldiers). The incident went well past 72 hours. Ammunition had definitely been stored in the hotels.

Intent on smearing Pakistan, India has been studiedly glossing over the plight of Indian Muslims, the horrible treatment being meted out to them, and their grievances thereof. A State does not become secular by parading only a selected million or so Indian Muslims out of 160 million over the poverty line (less than 1 percent). Even the living symbol of courage and activism, Shabana Azmi, was denied purchase of property in a luxury neighbourhood in Mumbai because she is a Muslim and was then terrified into silence by Mindu extremists of the Bal Thackeray-kind, this despite husband Javed Akhtar’s best efforts to prove himself more Hindu than Muslim.

The US passed on credible intelligence to India on Nov 18 that a terrorist assault was likely from the sea, two five-star hotels were to be targeted. In not passing on this information to pre-empt the attack, did the Indians want the incident to happen to impress upon the incoming Barack Obama administration that Pakistan being an irresponsible and dangerous entity, one could not do business with it? The concerted Indian media attack has been akin to a pack of mad dogs, matched only by the official Indian rhetoric in lambasting Pakistan even though the “ISI connection” did not stick. A democracy like India has supposedly an independent media. But no sane voices dispassionately examined facts or counselled caution, they have uniformly drumbeat the public psyche into war, never mind that a nuclear event can only lead to death and destruction on a horrific scale. The Pakistan media should learn a thing or two from the Indians after years of “free media association,” it is one-way traffic.

It is in Pakistan’s interest to eliminate terrorist presence from our midst, India knows this is easier than done. For example, from Oct 26 to Nov 25, terrorist attacks in India resulted in 122 civilian deaths, 10 security personnel and 50 militants, a total of 182. What is their track record for the last four decades against Naxalites (100,000 or so hardcore terrorists proudly calling themselves terrorists) who openly collect government revenues in 70 out of about 600 districts in mainly Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgarh, and in Mizoram, Nagaland, Manipur, Assam, etc.? Eighty percent of the terrorists are non-Muslims, including Christians, Buddhist, Sikh and (in the case of Naxalites) Marxists. The Anti-Terrorist Force (ATF) chief in Mumbai, Hemant Karkare, arrested serving Indian Army Lt Col Purohit for terrorist attacks. Karkare was already under death threats by Hindu rightwing extremists. The experienced campaigner walked into this trap because he must have known those who lured him to a street far from the action. Muslim leader Abdul Rahman Antulay, former a chief minister of Maharashtra, was hounded for demanding an enquiry into the cover-up. His abrupt about-turn exposes how “state terrorism” targets Muslims in secular India. India is diverting international focus from the real issue, the deep-rooted Muslim grievances.

One cannot rule out the imminent likelihood of air and ground “surgical” strikes across the LoC, which technically does not constitute an international border. However, Operation “Cold Start” is a Pakistan-specific option, launching all-out war from peacetime locations across our international borders, as the name suggests, without warning or mobilisation. Indian adventurism pre-supposes US (and world) sanctions for “punishing” Pakistan. It can well escalate out of control into a nuclear exchange, with unimaginable long-term horrific consequences. Sonia Gandhi getting into the rhetoric has crossed the “fail-safe line” of being bellicose. We must take their threats seriously. Our strategic reserves, presently employed in FATA, Swat and Bajaur, must be redeployed immediately to our eastern borders. Vacillation amounts to gambling with this nation’s existence, irresponsibility bordering on criminal negligence. Only rhetoric by our leaders will not do. Fast-surf through Indian channels, see and hear the Indian elite: one retired general advised scrapping the Indus Water Treaty to turn Pakistan into a desert. Forget rebutting, it was shocking to see all the panellists quite happy with the idea of 160 million Pakistanis starving to death. Our military response to any attempted to “surgical” strike should be to permanently solve our water problems by targeting dams in Kashmir!

For a long-term ardent advocate of peace with India, the Indian stance is extremely shocking. One must reluctantly conclude that our attempts at friendship were a futile figment of our imagination, if not at the individual then at least at the State-to-State level. While we must accommodate legitimate Indian concerns, and curbing extremism is in our interest, the future of South Asia depends upon pre-dominantly Hindu India curbing its hegemonistic and narrow religious urges. They have to go beyond being secular in name only. During my presentation to the National Defence College in Bangladesh, about “peace being necessary with India,” the Bangladeshi colonels and brigadier generals questioned my naivety. Very, very sadly, they were very, very right.

Given the multi-pronged initiatives India has recently taken, including isolating us in sports, is “a final solution” for Pakistan in the offing? The Indians are flexing their muscles because they feel they have tacit US approval to sort out Pakistan. Do they? Asif Ali Zardari, Mian Nawaz Sharif, Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain, Altaf Hussain, Asfandyar Wali Khan, etc., please make a national government and do it now! Political unity is a must, if Pakistan is forced into war we must fight united as one nation. We must have peace with India, war is not an option. Unfortunately, if it means demeaning one’s national self-respect, peace fades out as a viable option and we must go to “battle stations.”

The writer is a defence and political analyst. Email: isehgal@pathfinder9 .com

Battle stations?

To this I would like to add that since some elements of BJP and Shiv Sena have always wanted to destroy Pakistan; come on, instead of sabre rattling, and let us get it over with.

 

[nitesh]

Pakistan's Probe Finds Local Links To Attacks On Mumbai - WSJ.com

Pakistan's Probe Finds Local Links To Attacks On Mumbai

By ZAHID HUSSAIN, MATTHEW ROSENBERG and PETER WONACOTT

ISLAMABAD -- Pakistan's own investigation of terror attacks in Mumbai has begun to show substantive links between the 10 gunmen and an Islamic militant group that its powerful spy agency spent years supporting, say people with knowledge of the probe.

At least one top leader of militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba, or "Army of the Pure," captured in a raid earlier this month in Pakistani-controlled Kashmir, has confessed the group's involvement in the attack as India and the U.S. have alleged, according to a senior Pakistani security official.

The disclosure could add new international pressure on Pakistan to accept that the attacks, which left 171 dead in India, originated within its borders and to prosecute or extradite the suspects. That raises difficult and potentially destabilizing issues for the country's new civilian government, its military and the spy agency, Inter-Services Intelligence -- which is conducting interrogations of militants it once cultivated as partners.

Pakistani security officials say a top Lashkar commander, Zarar Shah, has admitted a role in the Mumbai attack during interrogation, according to the security official, who declined to be identified discussing the investigation. "He is singing," the security official said of Mr. Shah. The admission, the official said, is backed up by U.S. intercepts of a phone call between Mr. Shah and one of the attackers at the Taj Mahal Palace & Tower, the site of a 60-hour confrontation with Indian security forces.

A second person familiar with the investigation said Mr. Shah told Pakistani interrogators that he was one of the key planners of the operation, and that he spoke with the attackers during the rampage to give them advice and keep them focused.

The person said Mr. Shah had implicated other Lashkar members, and had broadly confirmed the story told by the sole captured gunman to Indian investigators -- that the 10 assailants trained in Pakistan's part of Kashmir and then went by boat from Karachi to Mumbai. Mr. Shah said the attackers also spent at least a few weeks in Karachi, a crowded Arabian Sea port, training in urban combat to hone skills they would use in their assault.

Mr. Shah was picked up along with fellow Lashkar commander Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi during the military camp raids in Kashmir.

The Mumbai attacks have stoked tensions in India and Pakistan, producing allegations and counterallegations that have both countries headed toward conflict. Pakistan recently redeployed some troops from the fight against Islamic militants toward the Indian border, and India warned its citizens not to travel to Pakistan. India and Pakistan, both nuclear-armed, have fought three wars since their independence in 1947.

The probe also is stress-testing an uncomfortable shift under way at Pakistan's spy agency -- and the government -- since the election of civilian leadership replacing the military-led regime earlier this year. Military and intelligence officials acknowledge they have long seen India as their primary enemy and Islamist extremists such as Lashkar as allies. But now the ISI is in the midst of being revamped, and its ranks purged of those seen as too soft on Islamic militants.

That revamp and the Mumbai attacks are in turn putting pressure on the civilian leadership, which risks a backlash among the population -- and among elements of ISI and the military -- if it is too accommodating to India. "The ISI can make or break any regime in Pakistan," said retired Gen. Mirza Aslam Beg, a former army chief. "Don't fight the ISI."

The delicate politics of the Mumbai investigation have given the spy agency renewed sway just when the government was trying to limit its influence. A Western diplomat said the question now is what Pakistan will do with the evidence it is developing.

The big fear in the West and India is a repeat of what happened after a 2001 attack on India's parliament, which led to the ban on Lashkar. Top militant leaders were arrested only to be released months later. Lashkar and other groups continued to operate openly, even though formal ISI connections were scaled back or closed, the diplomat said.

"They've got the guys. They have the confessions. What do they do now?" the diplomat said. "We need to see that this is more than a show. We want to see the entire infrastructure of terror dismantled. There needs to be real prosecutions this time."

A spokesman for new president Asif Ali Zardari, Farhatullah Babar, said Tuesday that he wasn't aware of the Pakistani investigation yet producing any links between Lashkar militants and the Mumbai attacks. "The Interior Ministry has already stated that the government of Pakistan has not been furnished with any evidence," he said.

The Pakistani security official cautioned that the investigation is still in early stages and a more full picture could emerge once India decides to share more information. Pakistani authorities didn't have evidence that Lashkar was involved in the attacks before the militants' arrest in Kashmir, the security official said; they were captured based only on initial guidance from U.S and British authorities.

Vishnu Prakash, a spokesman for India's Foreign Ministry, said in a telephone interview that all India's evidence will be shared with Pakistan soon, when the investigation is complete. But Mr. Prakash expressed doubt Pakistan would act, based on what he said was its investigative track record: "Whenever actionable intelligence is given, our friends make sure it is neutralized, and then it cannot be acted upon," he said.

In the nearly four months since Mr. Zardari was elected, civilian and military leaders have been working to remake the role the ISI plays in the country's affairs, and take aim at an intelligence apparatus that diplomats and analysts suspect still hasn't fully severed links to extremist groups such as Lashkar.

New agency chief Lt. General Ahmed Shuja Pasha and army chief Gen. Ashfaq Kayani have flushed out top and mid-level hard-liners associated with the agency's murky past dealings with terrorist organizations. Two deputies under Gen. Pasha's predecessor were removed and dozens of other lower-level officials sacked. The agency's political cell, which monitored the country's own politicians and parties and helped make it a political kingmaker, has been closed, its operatives dispersed through the agency.

In a televised remarks Tuesday, Pakistan's foreign minister, Shah Mahmood Qureshi, said Pakistan offered to send a high-level delegation to New Delhi to help investigate the Mumbai attacks.

"Traditionally there has been a sort of disconnect between the political leadership and the leadership of the security establishment," said Mr. Babar, the spokesman for Mr. Zardari. Under the new regime, he said, "There is harmony."

There also have been increasing tensions. Mr. Zardari -- who replaced his wife, former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, as their party's candidate to lead the country after her assassination last year -- has faced frequent reminders that the military's step back from political control has its limits, and could be reversed.

Mr. Zardari initially offered to send Gen. Pasha himself to aid India's investigation into the Mumbai attacks, then had to rescind it when the military objected. He surprised the military this month by announcing Pakistan would never hit India with a first-strike nuclear attack.

Two months before his election, Mr. Zardari as party chief mounted an attempt to wrest the control of the ISI from the military and place it under a close political adviser. Word spread through a wedding attended by Pakistan's top army brass. "I was certainly not consulted," a grim-faced Gen. Kayani told another guest. Top army officials started working the phones. The next day, July 27, the government announced that its original notice had been "misinterpreted." It later withdrew the notice entirely.

ISI's headquarters, surrounded by manicured lawns and fountains, sits behind unmarked walls and armed checkpoints in the heart of Islamabad. Founded in 1948, the ISI moved into politics during Pakistan's military governments of the 1960s. It formally established its political cell under a civilian prime minister -- Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, father of Mr. Zardari's murdered wife. But over the years the spy chiefs -- the agency leadership is all active military officers -- often proved more loyal to the military than the government.

During the Soviet Union's occupation of neighboring Afghanistan in the 1980s, Pakistan's spies became partners with the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, which cultivated the same insurgent groups at the time. In the 1990s, the ISI helped fashion Lashkar into one of the most potent Islamic militant forces battling Indian troops in Kashmir.

The Indian government blamed the ISI for helping plot the 1993 Mumbai bombings, which killed hundreds of people. The agency and Pakistan government still deny ISI involvement. The ISI purged scores of extremist officers from its ranks. But Pakistan continued to support anti-India militants in Kashmir and the ISI maintained extensive links to the Taliban, according to Western and Indian security officials. Current and former ISI officials acknowledge the ISI maintained extensive links to the Taliban.

After the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks in the U.S., Pakistan's military-led government signed on as an ally in the global battle against Islamic terrorism, and the ISI helped coalition forces rout the Taliban. According to a former ISI officer, hundreds of ISI operatives involved with the Afghan cell were removed from ISI.

In recent years, Lashkar and other groups have turned to waging global violence against largely civilian targets, putting Pakistan under rising pressure from its allies and complicating peace negotiations with India. The groups also are striking targets within Pakistan. They have become, said the ISI official, "a monster we've created that we can't put back in the box."

Pakistan banned Lashkar under pressure from the U.S. and India in 2002 but did little to curtail its activities until earlier this month, when it enforced a new United Nations resolution banning its charitable front, Jamaat-ud-Dawa, and arrested senior leaders of both organizations.

The current revamp of the ISI began in September when President Zardari and Gen. Kayani replaced the agency's chief, Lt. General Nadeem Taj, who was seen as not aggressive enough toward militants. The new chief, Gen. Pasha, has overseen major offensives against al Qaeda-supported militants in Pakistan's tribal regions.

Write to Matthew Rosenberg at matthew.rosenberg@wsj.com and Peter Wonacott at peter.wonacott@wsj.com

 

[was]

Pakistan's Probe Finds Local Links To Attacks On Mumbai - WSJ.com

Pakistan's Probe Finds Local Links To Attacks On Mumbai

By ZAHID HUSSAIN, MATTHEW ROSENBERG and PETER WONACOTT

ISLAMABAD -- Pakistan's own investigation of terror attacks in Mumbai has begun to show substantive links between the 10 gunmen and an Islamic militant group that its powerful spy agency spent years supporting, say people with knowledge of the probe.

At least one top leader of militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba, or "Army of the Pure," captured in a raid earlier this month in Pakistani-controlled Kashmir, has confessed the group's involvement in the attack as India and the U.S. have alleged, according to a senior Pakistani security official.

The disclosure could add new international pressure on Pakistan to accept that the attacks, which left 171 dead in India, originated within its borders and to prosecute or extradite the suspects. That raises difficult and potentially destabilizing issues for the country's new civilian government, its military and the spy agency, Inter-Services Intelligence -- which is conducting interrogations of militants it once cultivated as partners.

Pakistani security officials say a top Lashkar commander, Zarar Shah, has admitted a role in the Mumbai attack during interrogation, according to the security official, who declined to be identified discussing the investigation. "He is singing," the security official said of Mr. Shah. The admission, the official said, is backed up by U.S. intercepts of a phone call between Mr. Shah and one of the attackers at the Taj Mahal Palace & Tower, the site of a 60-hour confrontation with Indian security forces.

A second person familiar with the investigation said Mr. Shah told Pakistani interrogators that he was one of the key planners of the operation, and that he spoke with the attackers during the rampage to give them advice and keep them focused.

The person said Mr. Shah had implicated other Lashkar members, and had broadly confirmed the story told by the sole captured gunman to Indian investigators -- that the 10 assailants trained in Pakistan's part of Kashmir and then went by boat from Karachi to Mumbai. Mr. Shah said the attackers also spent at least a few weeks in Karachi, a crowded Arabian Sea port, training in urban combat to hone skills they would use in their assault.

Mr. Shah was picked up along with fellow Lashkar commander Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi during the military camp raids in Kashmir.

The Mumbai attacks have stoked tensions in India and Pakistan, producing allegations and counterallegations that have both countries headed toward conflict. Pakistan recently redeployed some troops from the fight against Islamic militants toward the Indian border, and India warned its citizens not to travel to Pakistan. India and Pakistan, both nuclear-armed, have fought three wars since their independence in 1947.

The probe also is stress-testing an uncomfortable shift under way at Pakistan's spy agency -- and the government -- since the election of civilian leadership replacing the military-led regime earlier this year. Military and intelligence officials acknowledge they have long seen India as their primary enemy and Islamist extremists such as Lashkar as allies. But now the ISI is in the midst of being revamped, and its ranks purged of those seen as too soft on Islamic militants.

That revamp and the Mumbai attacks are in turn putting pressure on the civilian leadership, which risks a backlash among the population -- and among elements of ISI and the military -- if it is too accommodating to India. "The ISI can make or break any regime in Pakistan," said retired Gen. Mirza Aslam Beg, a former army chief. "Don't fight the ISI."

The delicate politics of the Mumbai investigation have given the spy agency renewed sway just when the government was trying to limit its influence. A Western diplomat said the question now is what Pakistan will do with the evidence it is developing.

The big fear in the West and India is a repeat of what happened after a 2001 attack on India's parliament, which led to the ban on Lashkar. Top militant leaders were arrested only to be released months later. Lashkar and other groups continued to operate openly, even though formal ISI connections were scaled back or closed, the diplomat said.

"They've got the guys. They have the confessions. What do they do now?" the diplomat said. "We need to see that this is more than a show. We want to see the entire infrastructure of terror dismantled. There needs to be real prosecutions this time."

A spokesman for new president Asif Ali Zardari, Farhatullah Babar, said Tuesday that he wasn't aware of the Pakistani investigation yet producing any links between Lashkar militants and the Mumbai attacks. "The Interior Ministry has already stated that the government of Pakistan has not been furnished with any evidence," he said.

The Pakistani security official cautioned that the investigation is still in early stages and a more full picture could emerge once India decides to share more information. Pakistani authorities didn't have evidence that Lashkar was involved in the attacks before the militants' arrest in Kashmir, the security official said; they were captured based only on initial guidance from U.S and British authorities.

Vishnu Prakash, a spokesman for India's Foreign Ministry, said in a telephone interview that all India's evidence will be shared with Pakistan soon, when the investigation is complete. But Mr. Prakash expressed doubt Pakistan would act, based on what he said was its investigative track record: "Whenever actionable intelligence is given, our friends make sure it is neutralized, and then it cannot be acted upon," he said.

In the nearly four months since Mr. Zardari was elected, civilian and military leaders have been working to remake the role the ISI plays in the country's affairs, and take aim at an intelligence apparatus that diplomats and analysts suspect still hasn't fully severed links to extremist groups such as Lashkar.

New agency chief Lt. General Ahmed Shuja Pasha and army chief Gen. Ashfaq Kayani have flushed out top and mid-level hard-liners associated with the agency's murky past dealings with terrorist organizations. Two deputies under Gen. Pasha's predecessor were removed and dozens of other lower-level officials sacked. The agency's political cell, which monitored the country's own politicians and parties and helped make it a political kingmaker, has been closed, its operatives dispersed through the agency.

In a televised remarks Tuesday, Pakistan's foreign minister, Shah Mahmood Qureshi, said Pakistan offered to send a high-level delegation to New Delhi to help investigate the Mumbai attacks.

"Traditionally there has been a sort of disconnect between the political leadership and the leadership of the security establishment," said Mr. Babar, the spokesman for Mr. Zardari. Under the new regime, he said, "There is harmony."

There also have been increasing tensions. Mr. Zardari -- who replaced his wife, former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, as their party's candidate to lead the country after her assassination last year -- has faced frequent reminders that the military's step back from political control has its limits, and could be reversed.

Mr. Zardari initially offered to send Gen. Pasha himself to aid India's investigation into the Mumbai attacks, then had to rescind it when the military objected. He surprised the military this month by announcing Pakistan would never hit India with a first-strike nuclear attack.

Two months before his election, Mr. Zardari as party chief mounted an attempt to wrest the control of the ISI from the military and place it under a close political adviser. Word spread through a wedding attended by Pakistan's top army brass. "I was certainly not consulted," a grim-faced Gen. Kayani told another guest. Top army officials started working the phones. The next day, July 27, the government announced that its original notice had been "misinterpreted." It later withdrew the notice entirely.

ISI's headquarters, surrounded by manicured lawns and fountains, sits behind unmarked walls and armed checkpoints in the heart of Islamabad. Founded in 1948, the ISI moved into politics during Pakistan's military governments of the 1960s. It formally established its political cell under a civilian prime minister -- Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, father of Mr. Zardari's murdered wife. But over the years the spy chiefs -- the agency leadership is all active military officers -- often proved more loyal to the military than the government.

During the Soviet Union's occupation of neighboring Afghanistan in the 1980s, Pakistan's spies became partners with the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, which cultivated the same insurgent groups at the time. In the 1990s, the ISI helped fashion Lashkar into one of the most potent Islamic militant forces battling Indian troops in Kashmir.

The Indian government blamed the ISI for helping plot the 1993 Mumbai bombings, which killed hundreds of people. The agency and Pakistan government still deny ISI involvement. The ISI purged scores of extremist officers from its ranks. But Pakistan continued to support anti-India militants in Kashmir and the ISI maintained extensive links to the Taliban, according to Western and Indian security officials. Current and former ISI officials acknowledge the ISI maintained extensive links to the Taliban.

After the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks in the U.S., Pakistan's military-led government signed on as an ally in the global battle against Islamic terrorism, and the ISI helped coalition forces rout the Taliban. According to a former ISI officer, hundreds of ISI operatives involved with the Afghan cell were removed from ISI.

In recent years, Lashkar and other groups have turned to waging global violence against largely civilian targets, putting Pakistan under rising pressure from its allies and complicating peace negotiations with India. The groups also are striking targets within Pakistan. They have become, said the ISI official, "a monster we've created that we can't put back in the box."

Pakistan banned Lashkar under pressure from the U.S. and India in 2002 but did little to curtail its activities until earlier this month, when it enforced a new United Nations resolution banning its charitable front, Jamaat-ud-Dawa, and arrested senior leaders of both organizations.

The current revamp of the ISI began in September when President Zardari and Gen. Kayani replaced the agency's chief, Lt. General Nadeem Taj, who was seen as not aggressive enough toward militants. The new chief, Gen. Pasha, has overseen major offensives against al Qaeda-supported militants in Pakistan's tribal regions.

Write to Matthew Rosenberg at matthew.rosenberg@wsj.com and Peter Wonacott at peter.wonacott@wsj.com

**** of from here

 

[rubyjackass]

Why revive this thread? Its so old...
The post is not even relevant...

 

[kenchabhai]

sumwhr down the line i guess hindu's have 2 take responsibility for the riots caused in mumbai and gujrat which thn resulted in bomb blast. so yes, we hindus are at fault becoz we were the 1 who startd it all by destroying babri masjid (which according to me wz the worst thing to do to divide the people) it culd aslo be noted tht even after the shrikrishna report no justice have been given to our muslim brothers. having said tht i would also like to point out tht the main problem is not wid the people of india but wid the system and we (hindus and muslims) together have to stand and fight agnst this system

Congress party

 

[Chanchal Thakur]

The ATF Chief leading the investigation Hemant Karkare was killed a few days ago in the Mumbai Terror attacks along with another ATF senior member,Hindu radicals have celebrated his death as a blessing from God and have expressed their gratitude that he is now dead.

dear
from where did u get all this rubbish information , did u know the ground reality , just to make hype from ur fuckking points,

'Death of Hemant Karkare 1 ATS head Hemant Karkare’s demise was welcomed by Hindus as he was trying to create artificial Hindu terrorists'

send me some details regarding this , terei dahjiya na uda di to tab khana

 

[Neutral]

why every NOW and then a new explanation for 26/11 comes from

... every time collects a bit part from here and there makes up a brand new story.

.....NOw! there are more then 100's stories formed by on theory that "India attacked India on 26/11" and some 200 stories on 9/11 that attacked on itself!!!!!.......Brilliant

 

[MZUBAIR]

A very intresting news I read today

I try to translate it !!!

USA deployed David Headley as an employee in Pakistan after few months of 9/11. Accroding to TIMES, he worked with militants to plot Mumbai incident.

 

[MZUBAIR]

Feds Employed Mumbai Plotter in Pakistan, Despite Warnings from Ex-Girlfriend

The U.S. government sent Mumbai plotter and drug dealer David Headley to Pakistan as an employee just months after the Sept. 11 attacks, even after warnings from Headley's ex-girlfriend about his radical Islamic leanings, reports the New York Times. Once in Pakistan, Headley quickly began working with terrorists to plot attacks in Mumbai that killed 164 people in November 2008. Headley's former girlfriend went to authorities in October 2001 to warn them about his extremist views, but they wrote her off as a bitter ex-lover. Less than a month later, a federal court gave Headley an early release from probation to work for the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration. "All I knew was the D.E.A. wanted him in Pakistan as fast as possible because they said they were close to making some big cases," said Luis Caso, Headley's former probation officer. The government sent Headley, a former drug dealer, to Pakistan as an informant, though his exact role there remains unclear. The case came under investigation after national intelligence officials learned that two of Headley's ex-wives had told authorities they feared he was planning a terrorist attack before the Mumbai assault in 2008. Authorities disregarded those warnings, alongside the ones from the ex-girlfriend. The U.S. government claims it did not have sufficient proof to act on the information. "Had the United States government sufficiently established he was engaged in plotting a terrorist attack in India, the information would have most assuredly been transferred promptly to the Indian government," a U.S. official told the NYT.

Source

 

[noksss]

I think we have to question now whether India is a failed state. The disorganization and incompetence of Indian intelligence and security shows a nation falling apart. The arrest of an army officer for complicity in terrorist acts is a severe challenge to the state machinery.

"War is always won by truth" - I believe Kautilya would disagree with your assertion.

Then the Bangldesh beggars should not come to india for jobs instead they should stay in the Superpower country called bangladesh

 

[Peacefulll]

Why are these conspiracy nutcase threads still allowed to be open, so that they can be revived again and again? Such things only make Pakistan look bad. Initially, the entire nation of Pakistan was thoroughly convinced that it was some 'Hindu group' that did this, but now when Pakistan themselves have accepted that it was the work of so-called 'non state actors' in Pakistan, I am surprised that there still exist Pakistanis who believe in such nonsense conspiracy theories.

 

[adatta]

I would request all the indian members and sensible pakistani boarders to not to continue this thread.. let those people who think jews and hindus are responsible for their chronic constipation to continue feeding their rickety brains:

 

[LadyGaga]

These kind of foolish threads should be discontinued.I mean if Pakistan want's to be taken seriously,it has to stop living in some conspiracy theorists land 24 x7.It is a mental illness people.Please wake up and get a hold on your faculties.

 

[Frankenstein]

These kind of foolish threads should be discontinued.I mean if Pakistan want's to be taken seriously,it has to stop living in some conspiracy theorists land 24 x7.It is a mental illness people.Please wake up and get a hold on your faculties.

you are puking in the wrong place

 

[ganimi kawa]

you are puking in the wrong place

With due respect, so are you,sir! You could have been the better person here by not responding.