The Second Indo-Chinese War (2013-2015)

[KS]

The point is, there is no way India can achieve Mutually Assured Destruction towards China. Even India's entire nuclear arsenal could not destroy a single Chinese province.

The estimation of nuclear destructive power:

1. Russia ~ 1,273 megaton
2. USA ~ 570 megaton
3. China ~ 294 megaton
4. France ~ 55 megaton
5. UK ~ 16 megaton
6. Israel ~ 1.5 - 4 megaton
7. India ~ 0.8 - 1 megaton
8. Pakistan ~ 0.6 - 1 megaton
9. North Korea ~ Unknown

Link: NTI: Nuclear Disarmament

Again I cant believe your naivety when you post links of NGOs about top secret Nuke weaponry of India.

No on except the Prime Minister,President,topmost echelons in the Armed Forces know about the extent and the power of Indian nukes. And we will get to know the true extent only if they are fired in anger sometime in the future.

Get that straight before posting again about the puny nukes of India as quoted from an amateur NGO.

Also tell me one good reason why we should have megaton nukes ?? To vaporize the mountains of Tibet. ??

Research what happened to Hiroshima and Nagasaki on the hands of 15 kT nukes.

 

[IND151]

if war occurs between china and India, it will be due to water. after 20 or more years global warming will be severe and will affect Himalaya more and its river. china, Pakistan and India will face 5% reduction in food production due to decrease in levels of Himalayan rivers. this may lead to war.

The remarks of Suzanne DiMaggio in a report clearly indicate a concern between China and India. The conflict between China and India over water shall develop seriously, since the supplies of water in their rivers will decline as a result of melting of glaciers in the Himalayan mountains and ultimately the snow may almost disappear, and this shall naturally cause conflict between China and India over the water supplies as a result of shrinking of Himalayan mountain glaciers. Pakistan is already alleging foul play in water sharing by India.

Even as per the report of the United Nations, water shortages occurred in 8 percent of the world in 2002. By 2050, 40 percent of the population, or 4 billion people, will lack adequate water as drought spreads.

Himalayan Water to cause conflict bet. China & India? God Believers (GBA) | World News | World Current Affairs | Current World Affairs | News | Latest News | News Today | International Reporter

 

[prototype]

For the past few days i found many Chinese here who think wiping out India with nukes is easy like killing a mosquito that to without taking even a minute damage.

i dont know why they always tends to fake facts

at least Pakistani's here r sensible when they talk about nuclear war,they accept that MAD is inevitable.

the 13 KT Little boy wiped out the entire Hiroshima,and then a Chinese here think that 24 kt is to small,it will b an overkill for Beijing and Shanghai if India resorted to it,and the radiation and pollution is an another fact,some people tends to make senseless comments even without acknowledging the actual facts,and by the way Indian nuclear program is one of the highly secretive in the world,so please people dont arrive at fake conclusion's.

And I think many people missed something about the quality of Chinese planes described by Mr Hwangdu Sir here.

His take is that J-10 and J-11 BS(frankly I love that two words)is generation's ahead of MKI,Rafale and EF when the European and Russian aeronautical complex is decades ahead of China.

Chines people started to arrive with this conclusion's since last some months,when they r aware that MMRCA is somewhere near completion,so that they can make theirself believe that we r also on the same level field atleast for the sake of having some arguments here,and yes minus facts.

 

[J - 50]

The point is, there is no way India can achieve Mutually Assured Destruction towards China. Even India's entire nuclear arsenal could not destroy a single Chinese province. Your boasting regarding MAD is wasted.

The estimation of nuclear destructive power:

1. Russia ~ 1,273 megaton
2. USA ~ 570 megaton
3. China ~ 294 megaton
4. France ~ 55 megaton
5. UK ~ 16 megaton
6. Israel ~ 1.5 - 4 megaton
7. India ~ 0.8 - 1 megaton
8. Pakistan ~ 0.6 - 1 megaton
9. North Korea ~ Unknown

Link: NTI: Nuclear Disarmament

you will never understand ...

Megatons.. Kilotons....

in war time situations nobody gonna use imported nuclear fuel for power generations ... all will be diverted to building nuke arsenal ... and as this is the last resort of any country ... so by the end of one month of conventional war ...

these kilotons will be converted to megatons ...

and as I have already explained ///

i think Hong Kong has around 200+ Billion $ gdp with millions of skilled populace so
even a world war 2 nuke ith 5KT will be able to push china into no china ...
its all about precison nwdys ... more megaton would be useful if you dont have trust into CEP of ur missles ... so even if a missile goes away from its intended target it assures destruction ... but a Agni missile CEP is in meters /// so we wont need a 50 MT nuke...

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Again I cant believe your naivety when you post links of NGOs about top secret Nuke facilities in India.

No on except the Prime Minister,President,topmost echelons in the Armed Forces know about the extent and the power of Indian nukes.

I'll say it again, India cannot achieve MAD towards China.

If you disagree, give me a proper argument as to why you disagree.

Your emotions regarding the final blow that India could deal to her enemies is wasted. Splitting India's nukes between China and Pakistan, not to mention the low number of missiles that can actually reach coastal Chinese cities... just further reduces the number of nukes that can cause serious damage against China.

MAD cannot be achieved. Destruction, yes... severe economic damage, yes... but not MAD.

 

[justanobserver]

Do you disagree with my statement that India cannot achieve MAD towards China?

Aww come on, you're not Russia/America, all your population centers are based on river plains. One or two strategic shots and poof!

Assuming your missiles can actually travel that far (and don't fail like the Agni-2 prime, or the failed satellite launch), you will probably be able to cause plenty of economic damage, but not MAD.

My my...you've resorted to offtopic trolling

The Agni III is fully operational. That lauch was just a test of the GSLV platform, PSLV is our workhorse. But I don't know how's this relevant to this topic (offtopic trolling )

 

[Dalai Lama]

For the past few days i found many Chinese here who think wiping out India with nukes is easy like killing a mosquito that to without taking even a minute damage.

i dont know why they always tends to fake facts

at least Pakistani's here r sensible when they talk about nuclear war,they accept that MAD is inevitable.

the 13 KT Little boy wiped out the entire Hiroshima,and then a Chinese here think that 24 kt is to small,it will b an overkill for Beijing and Shanghai if India resorted to it,and the radiation and pollution is an another fact,some people tends to make senseless comments even without acknowledging the actual facts,and by the way Indian nuclear program is one of the highly secretive in the world,so please people dont arrive at fake conclusion's.

And I think many people missed something about the quality of Chinese planes described by Mr Hwangdu Sir here.

His take is that J-10 and J-11 BS(frankly I love that two words)is generation's ahead of MKI,Rafale and EF when the European and Russian aeronautical complex is decades ahead of China.

Chines people started to arrive with this conclusion's since last some months,when they r aware that MMRCA is somewhere near completion,so that they can make theirself believe that we r also on the same level field atleast for the sake of having some arguments here,and yes minus facts.

We should just go ahead and agree with them. There's no point in arguing. I'd rather let them live in their delusional world than waste my energy arguing with them.

 

[LaBong]

I'll say it again, India cannot achieve MAD towards China.

If you disagree, give me a proper argument as to why you disagree.

Your emotions regarding the final blow that India could deal to her enemies is wasted. Splitting India's nukes between China and Pakistan, not to mention the low number of missiles that can actually reach coastal Chinese cities... just further reduces the number of nukes that can cause serious damage against China.

MAD cannot be achieved.

Agni 3, which is fully operational can reach any Chinese city with lighter payload.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

^^^ I find it hilarious how people argue against my point without actually talking about the point.

The point is, India cannot achieve MAD towards China. Small nuclear stockpile, huge distances to major cities, and the need to reserve some of the stockpile for Pakistan too.

Deterrence, economic damage, that's all possible... but not MAD. That requires a level of destruction that would cause a nation to lose sovereignty.

 

[justanobserver]

^^
Aww cut the BS please

This is China (the part with the lights, pic was taken in 2009 btw)

Few nukes and poof!

(check out Pakistan too)

 

[Impasse]

This forum allows such threads and then Moderator claims this is a professional thread...

 

[prototype]

The Agni III is fully operational. That lauch was just a test of the GSLV platform, PSLV is our workhorse. But I don't know how's this relevant to this topic (offtopic trolling )

Agni-3,what?

Now ur telling about Agni-3 to a bunch who donot understand even the spelling difference between agni-2 and agni 2 prime

It seems CSS-5 Mod 3 was developed because CSS -5 Mod 2 and Mod-1 were useless missiles,based on their side of argument,and who know about CSS mod 3,it may b also a paper missile

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Few nukes and poof!

Your argument has come down to "poof" has it?

I'll ask once again... if you disagree with my statement that India cannot achieve MAD towards China, then give a rational argument as to why not.

Even given that map above, India's estimated nuclear arsenal of about one megaton, can hardly hope to cover all the bright areas on the map above, or anywhere close to causing enough destruction to achieve MAD.

 

[KS]

I'll say it again, India cannot achieve MAD towards China.

Awww whatever makes you feel safe.

If you disagree, give me a proper argument as to why you disagree.

I disagree because you are not spending your time on researching what happened to Hiroshima and Nagasaki when US dropped puny 15 kT nukes on them.

See your economic progress and might is concentrated only on about 15 cities along the eastern coast like Shanghai, Beijing,Shenzhen,Hong kong, Nanjing,Guandong etc. Take out that and you are good as nothing.

All that you can do next is herd sheeps in Tibet and export the wool to other countries ( If Tibet still is with you after the unrest following nuke attacks on the above cities)

Your emotions regarding the final blow that India could deal to her enemies is wasted. Splitting India's nukes between China and Pakistan, not to mention the low number of missiles that can actually reach coastal Chinese cities... just further reduces the number of nukes that can cause serious damage against China.

Do you know the missile production rate in India ?? Do you know how many missiles are operational as I type this post with the SFC. If not I dont see anything in arguing with you.

MAD cannot be achieved. Destruction, yes... severe economic damage, yes... but not MAD.

In china's case economic destruction = MAD. You are where you are are because of your economy and that economy is what it is because of the cities and the population concentrated around them. Think about it without the veil of fake pride covering your eyes.

Think what will happen if the three gorges is blasted. We can make the war so costly for you that you will wish you had not undertaken it.

 

[LaBong]

^^^ I find it hilarious how people argue against my point without actually talking about the point.

The point is, India cannot achieve MAD towards China. Small nuclear stockpile, huge distances to major cities, and the need to reserve some of the stockpile for Pakistan too.

Deterrence, economic damage, that's all possible... but not MAD. That requires a level of destruction that would cause a country to no longer become a functioning state.

That's easily achievable. Most of Chinese population is based on East cost. Destruction of major cities will cause the state to stop functioning. Where as Indian population is fairly distributed in the whole country and most being rural. It's rather hard for China to achieve MAD.

If we are talking about 13-15 timeline, we woul have tested Agni-5 and Arihant will be operational. Add to it Su-30s and Brahmos. Sorry but in case of a nuclear conflict I don't see major Chinese cities surviving.