The reality of Indian chopper in Gilgit

[Windjammer]

Lol @ Indians who are desperate to save their tiny egos by posting and comparing pictures of operational helicopters with that which has been decommissioned and mounted for display. A little lesson for all these wanna be experts, when aircraft are mounted on a platform, a lot of stuff is removed to save weight hence it's always usual for the likes of Engines, ejection seats, guns etc. to be removed before the air frame is mounted.

 

[RAMPAGE]

And we flog a dead story again.

On topic: no one fires on a heli in LC region. But then, anyone who has served there, would be knowing it better. 2009, there was a fire on a Pakistani post (due to kero heater) opposite Tilel Valley in winters. A Pakistani Mi-17 came with emergency rations to drop on the affected post. But missed the post and started hovering over an Indian post.

The Indian post had Igla. But did Indians fire? No sir! The Company Commander at the post got an Indian flag out and started waving to the hovering helicopter which was planning to make a drop. The Pilot acknowledged and the company commander pointed in direction and the helicopter went in the pointed direction.

Such stories are common on both sides. Soldiers are human. During a casualty evacuation in 2012, an Army Aviation helicopter from Indian side went across LC to make an approach. As there was no helipad, it had to do a hover evacuation. No intimation of overflight was given to Pakistani post opposite. The Pakistani soldiers got out and got on radio to ask if any problem had occurred. They did not fire at all as the helicopter went well into their airspace to make an approach. As high altitude region and winds were tail winds the direction of approach had to be modified.

The helicopter went back. Took off its doors and came back, again going into Pakistani side and then got the casualty evacuated. No one bothers.

Only on this forum do I see people who have never ever served a single day and neither will, put up pictures with guns and snipers as their display pic and what not and come all 'blazing' as if they are fighting a war!

LC is much more peaceful.

@-xXx- enjoy Tom Clancy!

it is Mig-21 story of ours, the Pakistani version.

My thanks to you for this post, Sir.

 

[Hellfire]

Happy eid to all. @RAMPAGE @Windjammer @Spy Master @Foxtrot-Bravo

Irrespective of jests here, may the almighty shower choicest blessings on you and your near and dear ones.

Thanks @Foxtrot-Bravo for reminding. Was stuck and totally slipped.

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

Whats the point of this thread? All nations that have had wars have these "war trophies".

@waz cant you just delete blatant bullsh!t?

 

[Salahuddin Ayubi]

Atleast it's not a Pakistani chopper painted as Indian.... LMAO!

 

[Spy Master]

Happy eid to all. @RAMPAGE @Windjammer @Spy Master @Foxtrot-Bravo

Irrespective of jests here, may the almighty shower choicest blessings on you and your near and dear ones.

Thanks @Foxtrot-Bravo for reminding. Was stuck and totally slipped.

Thanks man

 

[Foxtrot-Bravo]

The story of 'capture' on a 'spying' mission gives me analogies of 'Jack Ryan' of Tom Clancy or 'Timothy Gardner' of Craig Thomas.

A tripod helicopter will land only on a prepared LZ. The specs are a clear area of 25 x 25 meters. So you mean to say, on a spy mission, it landed in such an area? Seriously ......!!!!

@Foxtrot-Bravo I think you will understand what I wrote above.

In all probability, if it is indeed a captured Indian Heli, then the same would have inadvertently landed across. We had one heli flying in across a couple of years back.

Your Mi-17 was preparing to land in Dawar in 2009, that is in Gurez, more than 10 kms as criw flies. It was timely hoisting of flag to prevent it from happening.

Happens in bad weather.

Anyways, give the names of pilots to collate info.

Your logic is believable to an extent but what if the heli was trying to drop the spies on a mission similar to that in the picture which I have posted above or maybe the land there was paved and it was not at all that sloppy.

 

[T90TankGuy]

The story of 'capture' on a 'spying' mission gives me analogies of 'Jack Ryan' of Tom Clancy or 'Timothy Gardner' of Craig Thomas.

A tripod helicopter will land only on a prepared LZ. The specs are a clear area of 25 x 25 meters. So you mean to say, on a spy mission, it landed in such an area? Seriously ......!!!!

@Foxtrot-Bravo I think you will understand what I wrote above.

In all probability, if it is indeed a captured Indian Heli, then the same would have inadvertently landed across. We had one heli flying in across a couple of years back.

Your Mi-17 was preparing to land in Dawar in 2009, that is in Gurez, more than 10 kms as criw flies. It was timely hoisting of flag to prevent it from happening.

Happens in bad weather.

Anyways, give the names of pilots to collate info.

You mate seem to think that logic and basic knowledge of military affairs are common here, they aren't!!!!

most members here are keyboard warriors who probably never even understand the basic courtesies that members of armed forces show to each other.

 

[Foxtrot-Bravo]

Happy eid to all. @RAMPAGE @Windjammer @Spy Master @Foxtrot-Bravo

Irrespective of jests here, may the almighty shower choicest blessings on you and your near and dear ones.

Thanks @Foxtrot-Bravo for reminding. Was stuck and totally slipped.

Appreciated mate, same to you too

 

[war&peace]

Good job by Major Jan Orakzai..now please punish the spies so the others learn a lesson and do not dare enter Pakistan for spying

A tripod helicopter will land only on a prepared LZ. The specs are a clear area of 25 x 25 meters. So you mean to say, on a spy mission, it landed in such an area? Seriously ......!!!!

Please don't try to change the facts. Physics 101, a tripod can get stable on any surface as the plane made by three vertices will touch the ground on all vertices and thus tricycles are used for non-iso surfaces so a tripod helicopter is better suited for landing on unlevelled surfaces than a helicopter with skids.

 

[Hellfire]

Your logic is believable to an extent but what if the heli was trying to drop the spies on a mission similar to that in the picture which I have posted above or maybe the land there was paved and it was not at all that sloppy.

There is no 'paved' land in LC region. That is unlikely, until and unlessPA was offering a landing zone or a zone demarcation took place with assets on ground .... Improbable.


If you go and see the terrain, you will know what I am saying.

Secondly, landing would never be inside a valley behind enemy lines to insert assets, it shall be preferably on a top as it affords excellent view of area - area is dominated by virtue of position being on top of a hill feature. You think that anyone will be so daft as this? Landing in valley, the enemy dominates you.

I have quoted actual incidents ...

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Never knew you arrange marriages....and yup we should believe the Indian version that of all the places it crashed into Pakistani territory or just drop the spies as no one will notice and they will also make their way back like a walk in the park.

MODIfied version of India is now a state religion and any divergence is punishable.
hence the entire history be it in the past or present is being re-written to prove the invincibility of MODI's India

therefore it is unacceptable for the MODI's acolytes to accept a version of events other than their own.

 

[Hellfire]

Please don't try to change the facts. Physics 101, a tripod can get stable on any surface as the plane made by three vertices with touch the ground and thus tricycles are used for non-iso surfaces so a tripod helicopter is better suited for landing on unlevelled surfaces than a helicopter with skids.

Collate with what I posted to @Foxtrot-Bravo. You are right for a normal peacetime civil/own side employment.

Tactically it wont be done in valley for reasons already mentioned and terrain does not permit landing anywhere and everywhere without a prior aerial recce as these are very basic helis and dont even have a GPS installed.

Lastly, I again reiterate, area of 25 x 25 meters is minima for this heli .... that is the LZ parameter. 50 x 50 for Mi-17.

Any insertion will be done prior to LZ being clear .... if any reception party is there, it shall ensure area domination and then also the heli/aircraft will do an aerial recce.

This story needs corroboration with either names of pilots/spies or whatever.

Most likely - either it crashed or strayed across and landed at a Pak Army base by error, which is frequent.

And to add zing - you did a Mig-21 too (joking)

 

[Sine Nomine]

@hellfire most probably that helo was forced to land during period of high tension or that period when skirmishes were common on LOC.F-7 from skardu would probably have forced that chopper to land in Pakistan when it made a deep incursion due to navigational error during bad weather.

 

[Hellfire]

@hellfire most probably that helo was forced to land during period of high tension or that period when skirmishes were common on LOC.F-7 from skardu would probably have forced that chopper to land in Pakistan when it made a deep incursion due to navigational error during bad weather.

That does make absolute sense. Like the last incident of heli straying across into Pakistan, I believe the flight suits of the officers concerned have been kept as trophy. That is fair. Also there is an anecdotal incident wherein the concerned Indian pilot asked for fuel after landing and the refuelling party was duly obliging, the game was lost when the officer concerned confirmed whether it was K-50 (our nomenclature) and your personnel replied negative and this pilot asked if he was from PA and the personnel replied in affirmative and then saw the roundels on the heli and asked the officer to relax and they were subsequently escorted. I believe your officer a QFI was brought into de-brief and ascertain whether there was an actual pilot error or deliberate ingress, which was ascertained to satisfaction and the heli was re-escorted back towards Indian airspace.

I didn't know the period as not mentioned for this heli hence have kept it to post 2003. However, earlier then your scenario is indeed a high probability.

You mate seem to think that logic and basic knowledge of military affairs are common here, they aren't!!!!

most members here are keyboard warriors who probably never even understand the basic courtesies that members of armed forces show to each other.

I realised that. Also majority are in late teens and twenties, I realised it yesterday. Hence, astounding claims and counter claims. Majority have no clue of things.