The PAF is set to receive a batch of Egyptian Air Force Mirage-Vs

[CT-9914 "Snoop"]

If the frames are good, these should be upgraded to rose block4 program.

There's really no use for ROSE 4 with the JF-17 coming up smoothly, and as much as a lot of people, myself included, would love to see the Mirages flying, economically and strategically it's a loss if we still have them in service once the JF-17 concludes production.

Who else thinks these aircraft will be rebuilt and upgraded to increase their utility and life. Plus it would give insight to the french radar systems.

Highly unlikely, hopefully we see a couple or more fly as attrition replacements. The radar on these birds are downgraded from the ones on the Mirage 2000-5/-9 and more or less as capable as the ones on our JF-17's, so unless we want to develop our own radar system and want to gain some kind of crude experience in that, there's no use in doing that at least not until our education is reformed to the point our universities can give actual output to our industries.

 

[princefaisal]

Apart from this deal, PAF should look into acquiring a new platform (preferably a twin-engine jet) for deep strike missions. We need to counter this Rafale threat which will be looming soon at our borders.

JF-17 Block-3 will take care of every threat...

 

[Ra's al Ghul]

a noob question. why cant we have some used Mirage 2000s in near future to replace these ?

 

[CT-9914 "Snoop"]

a noob question. why cant we have some used Mirage 2000s in near future to replace these ?

Why get a new platform and all the associated complexities, logistics/maintenance/training etc. when we're already replacing them with a platform we operate.

 

[Ra's al Ghul]

Why get a new platform and all the associated complexities, logistics/maintenance/training etc. when we're already replacing them with a platform we operate.

you mean with JF-17 ? how can be jf-17 is equal to mirages ? IMHO, mirages are strike planes. jf-17 is multirole but i dont think it fits the bill of mirages.

 

[Raider 21]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1118492116638949378

and this old tweet from Jan 2019

https://twitter.com/x/status/1090574808952332294

Details of Egypt air force Mirage Vs

Mirage 5SDE : Single-seat radar-equipped fighter-bomber version for Egypt, equivalent to Mirage IIIE; 54 built
Mirage 5E2 : Upgraded radarless attack version for Egypt. 16 built
Mirage 5SDR : Export version of the Mirage 5R for Egypt; six built
Mirage 5SDD : Two-seat trainer for Egypt; six built

Could have considered Egyptian Mirage 2000s. But guess they will go with what they can afford and what they want.

 

[ziaulislam]

Could have considered Egyptian Mirage 2000s. But guess they will go with what they can afford and what they want.

if some will be brought into service is there any possibility of equipping them with BVRs..and which ones?

 

[PakShaheen79]

PAF will have to adopt a radical change in its operational doctrine before we can see any heavy bomber or strike platform in it.

For now, PAF is focused on defending our airspace and providing assistance to two sister forces (though capability is only limited there). For deep strike, Pakistan's doctrine is based on medium range ballistic missiles. PAF needs to adopt deep strike as an integral part of its operational doctrine. Ballistic missiles will face a lots of problems in the war to hit high value target with precision. Till date, air launched stand off weapons are the best way to take out such targets.

PAF do have precision munitions but penetration deep into enemy skies is a problem because focus is on defending skies only. PAF need to become alive as far as this aspect is concerned. In the context of Indo Pak war, PAF will have to strike deep, behind enemy lines to cut their long line of communications. It would be effective if PAF draw plans to strike all major railways and road bridges connecting various parts of India. Similarly, Indian navy enjoys long string of ports from where they can sustain their ops, PAF must have the CAPABILITY to take out these naval bases no matter how far, how deep they are. It is in this respect, I always maintained we need to be part of a program like H-20 or at least initialize something similar at home. Such planes will always fly with fighter escort means they don't need to be extra sophisticated technologically. They must be able to fly really high and fast!

 

[ssethii]

Highly unlikely, hopefully we see a couple or more fly as attrition replacements. The radar on these birds are downgraded from the ones on the Mirage 2000-5/-9 and more or less as capable as the ones on our JF-17's, so unless we want to develop our own radar system and want to gain some kind of crude experience in that, there's no use in doing that at least not until our education is reformed to the point our universities can give actual output to our industries.

There's a lot of R&D (read reverse engineering) going on these days in under PSUs and public-private partnerships. Some fail to see the light of the day and only valuable lessons are learned from these exercises. Education is a problem but our R&D is a product of jugaar ideology and a bit of luck here and there. Rest assured Pakistan as the last and the largest operator of Mirage III/V type has full control over its "supply chain" to keep it flying to the last drop of life left in those airframes.

 

[ziaulislam]

a noob question. why cant we have some used Mirage 2000s in near future to replace these ?

there are few mirage 2000s available outside of france, france will not sell cheap for various reason and their financial interest in india..update of mriage2000 will cost atleats half of rafale with no grantee supply chain

and lastly it is a completely new aircraft..better get the eurofighter or j10 at that cost

unless france opens up to similar deal as mirage 5 and allow third party integration from italy and allows large amount of airframes that we can use this will not work

 

[AMRAAM]

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/522428-pakistan-to-buy-36-mirage-v-jets-from-egypt

Looks like PAF has no plans to retire Mirages sometime in near future.

Some of these Mirages will be upgraded in MRF which will certainly take time and then these planes will stay in service for at least the next couple of years.

From the financial point of view and the success of 27th Feb strikes, this move makes perfect sense but given the evolving environment in the region and especially the modernization of IAF, isn't it a step in a backward direction?

What are PAF's plans to phase out Mirages with JFTs or any other platforms?

 

[Dazzler]

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/522428-pakistan-to-buy-36-mirage-v-jets-from-egypt

View attachment 577712

Looks like PAF has no plans to retire Mirages sometime in near future.

Some of these Mirages will be upgraded in MRF which will certainly take time and then these planes will stay in service for at least the next couple of years.

From the financial point of view and the success of 27th Feb strikes, this move makes perfect sense but given the evolving environment in the region and especially the modernization of IAF, isn't it a step in a backward direction?

What are PAF's plans to phase out Mirages with JFTs or any other platforms?

If true, most of these will be used for spares. Only airworthy airframes will be put into active service.

 

[Imran Khan]

ohhhhh common you scrap yard

 

[Ultima Thule]

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/522428-pakistan-to-buy-36-mirage-v-jets-from-egypt

View attachment 577712

Looks like PAF has no plans to retire Mirages sometime in near future.

Some of these Mirages will be upgraded in MRF which will certainly take time and then these planes will stay in service for at least the next couple of years.

From the financial point of view and the success of 27th Feb strikes, this move makes perfect sense but given the evolving environment in the region and especially the modernization of IAF, isn't it a step in a backward direction?

What are PAF's plans to phase out Mirages with JFTs or any other platforms?

similar thread is already running on PAF section why you started a new thread @AMRAAM
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-...batch-of-egyptian-air-force-mirage-vs.614217/
@waz @The Eagle @Horus please merge or close this thread thanks

 

[Basel]

Why new thread for this news?? Its already discussed on mirage thread.

@The Eagle