The PAF is set to receive a batch of Egyptian Air Force Mirage-Vs

[Pakistani Fighter]

In that case 1.33 million USD per aircraft/spare is not a bad deal.

If what you quote is close to the actual figure, then the absurd debate of buying 5 SU35s or gripens or UFOs etc must be put to rest.

How many jets are being planned to buy?

 

[Tps43]

Good analysis done @Signalian


Professional @Tps43 hmmmm taraqi......

Thanku jee

 

[Ali_Baba]

Can the Mirage V Horus fire the MICA BVR since it has the RDY-400 radar? Did Egypt get them with Mica's?

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Thanku jee

Any chance I can be senior Member?

 

[Tps43]

Any chance I can be senior Member?

After u cross 2000 posts

 

[ziaulislam]

Once they say they dont have budget than they buy this junk

If paf even buy 5 SU 35 far better than these

Look how stupud our thinking is egypt who dont have big threat than us sell them and buy SU 35 and we keep miss using funds on junk

Its proven fact we have money but not a willto get best

Quaide azam said pak must build its airforce second to none

But PAF doing oppsite buying second class jets willingly

Why d

Ontphase them out they dont offer much

If you buy 5 su30 at any given time only 2 or 3 will be abke to fly..not enough for major strike you need 40-60

 

[SecularNationalist]

It is because Pakistan has not inducted enough JF-17s to date that PAF is unable to phase out Mirages any time sooner.

Production of 100 JF-17 Thunders in 12-years is too slow.

According to wikipedia.From 2020 and onwards pakistan air force will only maintain multirole fighters which is F16 and JF17 thunders.
Our resources are limited but we need to maintain a big airforce because of our geo location on world map.So we have to balance and maintain our edge with old upgraded jets and superior pilot training.

 

[Behram Khilji]

Not a bad deal, will keep our strike aircraft in the air till we have finances to procure or increase the production of jf 17.

 

[alphibeti]

If you buy 5 su30 at any given time only 2 or 3 will be abke to fly..not enough for major strike you need 40-60

If your adversary is not like Nepal, Bangladesh, Maldives, or Sri Lanka, even 250 MKIs are not enough. Making tall claims (like Indians) is one thing and giving the performance is entirely a different ballgame.

 

[airomerix]

15 Sqn's recent strikes have indeed impressed the world. With a decent fighter escort, these mirages can still cause havoc for the enemy. Trust me!

 

[ziaulislam]

If your adversary is not like Nepal, Bangladesh, Maldives, or Sri Lanka, even 250 MKIs are not enough. Making tall claims (like Indians) is one thing and giving the performance is entirely a different ballgame.

Well facts are that PAF did that and those mirages were enough just a month ago
Who is in denial? The whole world saw how mirages and H4 performed now if you were sleeping its not my fault

 

[Keysersoze]

Another thread where the self righteous Pakistanis are crying about what the armed forces do as if they know better than generals with 40 years of experience. You lot are sitting behind keyboards on a Defence Forum. You do not know the needs, wants and requirements of our armed forces. We can’t replace the Mirages overnight. They are not obsolete. Especially with the ROSE upgrades they have. That’s why the F7s, which are crash prone, are being replaced first, until then we need to keep the Mirages flying. These air craft are being ordered for spare parts since they aren’t produced by Dassault anymore. Can you people please think just a little bit before becoming Defence experts?

A few points to prove this deals need;
1. We get to keep our Mirages flying that have A much better safety and Victory record (27th February being the latest example) Than the F7s which need urgent replacement.
2. We probably got them for a price good enough for the deal to be worth it. Again, the military knows better. Not teenagers on a Defence forum.
3. Some people mentioned how “5 SU 35s” or “J-10s” or “‘Mirage 2000s” or “a few gripens” are a better deal. Can you please read your own posts and see the flaws in it? First compare the price difference of the jets themselves. Then compare how much time and money will be needed to set up a complex to maintain these, buy weapons for them, train pilots for them. Until then we would be at a loss of flying jets. And what the hell are we gonna do with 5 of a type of jet? Make a independent wing? Tf?.

Please Pakistanis. Think before you post.

Thank God you put this here for the slower members who keep up with daft mantras of "They should buy this or that"

 

[Army research]

Two major strike squadrons of PAF fly Mirage-V aircrafts. PAF uses Mirage III in in Air combat role and Mirage-V in strike role. There are two main issues, procurement and then upgrades. lets look at the three types of aircrafts that PAF wants to keep flying earnestly; JF-17, F-16, Mirage III/V.

JF-17 is being procured and upgraded by PAF. Whenever F-16 is procured, its upgraded by TAI and quality checked by LM USA, as seen in recent past. The Mirages have been extensively upgraded, the money has been invested already. There is obviously the ROSE upgrade, but the rest of the fleet has been upgraded to a certain extent too. Replacing Mirages still requires alot of investment, in the form of a new aircraft, which after procurement will again go through upgrades to reach parity and commonality with JF-17 at least or F-16 if its a western aircraft. The Mirage V which took part in LOC strike were non-ROSE but definitely upgraded.

During an analysis with another member here on PDF (cant remember now who he was). we observed that PAF Mirages squadrons are mixed, which means they fly both Mirage III and Mirage V in same squadron. Mirage III provides AD/escort and Mirage V is used for strike. Basically self sufficient squadron. However, the strike showed something different. JF-17 on escort, Mirage-V on strike, and now since PAF is getting Mirage-V's, this could mean that Mirage III would be the next to go after F-7P/PG's. The importance of Mirage III still holds since Ra'ad ALCM was tested on it. Operationally, PAF has shown that JF-17 and Mirage-V's are set to be paired together in an event of war.

Mirage V differentiates from Mirage III in terms of two more hard points, better rate of climb and a longer nose. Its also said to carry more fuel and more ordnance than Mirage III. The versatility of Mirage V can be seen by the fact that it holds two major dedicated roles in PAF: night time strike and Naval support. These roles are shared with JF-17 and F-16 now.

Coming back to procurement and up-gradation. The plus points in this acquisition is saving cost in terms of:
1. Weaponry: PAF wouldn't need to acquire and integrate new weapons.
2. Infrastructure, training, pilot hours, simulations etc.
3. Upgrading EAF's Mirages V's to ROSE standard is not required since, these can be used as spares for ROSE or other upgraded versions. Basically, if these aircrafts can help ROSE squadrons fly for another 20 years through cannibalism for spares, then this acquisition is worth it.

If they are deemed proficient in terms of lesser flying hours, then yes induction and possibly upgrades are possible. This would still depend, these can be used to replace other aircrafts or can also be used to increase inventory. In the former, replacing systems from old frames into new frames would be done, while in latter, induction will take place with better avionics and systems. Its up to PAF to decide the path, it wants to take.

Regarding Mirage 2000, PAF will see feasibility from all pov's. Cost of induction, infrastructure, upgrades, weaponry, training, simulators and finally frame life. F-16 still has production line running, it has a major MLU plan in process, not just M-3 or M-5 but also V-standard now. JF-17 has newer blocks coming in, probably upto Block IV. So cost wise., Mirage 2000 will always be costlier. Comparing capability, yes Mirage 2000 is much more capable than Mirage V. So Mirage 2000 justifies its cost vis a vis Mirage V, but compared to F-16 or JF-17, their capability comes at a lower cost than Mirage-2000. The Ra'ad issue still exists; which can be solved through a different platform or redesigning the ALCM itself.

Brilliant , but ofc the masses of keyboard experts know better

 

[mikkix]

We should buy f4 and f5 and it can surely destroy f35 f22 rafales and sukhois. I have no doubt. Good job.

 

[Rahil khan]

I hope i shall see those "newly acquired" second hand mirages built in 1972 get decommissioned in my life.