The origins of tribes across Pakistan and Hindustan

[lastofthepatriots]

Thanks that was very detailed. Although there are some points I disagree with what I've been told by my elders, it seems to be that everyone in Punjab is either a Jatt or Rajput. I wonder what happened to the previous inhabitants and if there are any clans/tribes that can be classified as indigenous (Pre Rajput/Jatt migration).

Arains aren't Rajputs. We look different.

 

[Pakistani E]

Arains aren't Rajputs. We look different.

I think it's a huge simplification to say everyone is partly Rajput/Jatt/Pre-invasion mix. Neither the Arrains, nor the Awans have ever claimed Jatt or Rajput origin. Most of the sub-clans the Jatland folks use to say Awans are Jatts are sub-branches of affiliated local clans like Khokhars, Chauhan etc who claim kinship with Awans.

It's the same with Arrains, they have never claimed Rajput origin. I don't think any Rajput clan would purposely choose to say they are not Rajputs. They have absolutely nothing to gain from not calling themselves Rajputs.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

I think it's a huge simplification to say everyone is partly Rajput/Jatt/Pre-invasion mix. Neither the Arrains, nor the Awans have ever claimed Jatt or Rajput origin. Most of the sub-clans the Jatland folks use to say Awans are Jatts are sub-branches of affiliated local clans like Khokhars etc who claim kinship with Awans.

It's the same with Arrains, they have never claimed Rajput origin. I don't think any Rajput clan would purposely choose to say they are not Rajputs. They have absolutely nothing to gain from not calling themselves Rajputs.

Awans don't look like jatts to me either.

 

[Pakistani E]

Awans don't look like jatts to me either.

Awans have no concept of ancestor worship/homage either. Even the British Indian Army classified the Muslim Punjabi Jats separately from Awans.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Awans have no concept of ancestor worship/homage either. Even the British Indian Army classified the Muslim Punjabi Jats separately from Awans.

@friendly_troll96

 

[friendly_troll96]

@friendly_troll96

shakal se e pagal lagtay hn.

 

[Pakistani E]

shakal se e pagal lagtay hn.

Lol Look in his eyes and tell me what you see:

 

[qamar1990]

Thanks that was very detailed. Although there are some points I disagree with what I've been told by my elders, it seems to be that everyone in Punjab is either a Jatt or Rajput. I wonder what happened to the previous inhabitants and if there are any clans/tribes that can be classified as indigenous (Pre Rajput/Jatt migration).

yes thats something i wonder as well... like every tribe claims to be from else where... so who are the native punjabis?

 

[lastofthepatriots]

yes thats something i wonder as well... like every tribe claims to be from else where... so who are the native punjabis?

Tamils.

 

[qamar1990]

Tamils.

or the musalis ...

 

[lastofthepatriots]

or the musalis ...

Technically they are both Dravidian and may in fact be the original inhabitants of Punjab region.

 

[Pakistani E]

yes thats something i wonder as well... like every tribe claims to be from else where... so who are the native punjabis?

It seems like no one wants to go in to too much depth on this. The Rakhigarhi samples may shed more light on this.

 

[friendly_troll96]

Lol Look in his eyes and tell me what you see:

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aik dam pagal. look at the trade mark ginormous nose. heck, they have their nicknames prefixed with the length of the nose.

 

[Pakistani E]

look at the trade mark ginormous nose

Large nose and slightly curly hair. This is the trademark in my folk.

Of course being a bit of a loose cannon is the generic trait of all Awans.

 

[Shahzaz ud din]

I concur, I'm a Jatt Sikh from India Punjab. My mum is Gill and have extended family members with Bhatti surname. Also, Malik is most common surname in Hindu Jats..

There is a saying in my area !!!
Jatt he te matt nai
Matt he te jatt nai

Malik was a title given by lords or rulers to zamindars, military leaders, clan chiefs and other occupations that belonged to the upper-level of the social hierarchy.

Maliks were not bound by ethnic, linguistic or cultural factors in comparison to tribes such as Jats, Rajputs, Gujjars and etc... who were. Instead they can be considered an 'occupational/status-origin' tribe.

In my child hood people whom we used to call TELIS (selling and extracting oil) they have promoted them selves to MALIKS.I met a person belonged to a Bihari family migrated from East Pakistan after 1971 having sir name Malik. The reason he told that his ancestors were Arab traders who came to India centuries ago.According to him Malik is an Arabic word.