The Origins Of Shaolin Kung Fu

[Shinigami]

By the way Indians (in this thread as most other threads) are trying too hard to prove something belonging to others as theirs, reminds people of thieves caught with evidence of the stolen objects and trying to prove otherwise, it makes every one concerned -including the judge- laugh.
If you want to feel good about yourselves, just be yourselves, without too much coercion and by trying to boost of your egos for nothing; every one supports and likes genuine people.
Resorting to personal attacks will make you suffer more, as I can see throughout the forum, most responses are very harsh on you when you start personal attacks instead of sane and constructive discussions as some very rare Indian can do.

its a shame pakistan cannot take any credit for india's glorious history. thats what u get for denouncing the ways of your ancestors

 

[The SC]

China has more than 15 000 years of existence, there are proves that the Native Americans -North and South- have Chinese origins, pointing to the fact that Chinese discovered America about 10 000 years ago.

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Sir LurkaLot

Beyond wrong

Study says Native Americans are Chinese Descendants

The idea, that Chinese people crossed the waters to America at the end of the Shang dynasty (also called Yin dynasty sometimes), is not something novel. Several scientific studies show that there's ample evidence to back this theory.

Native Americans are Chinese descendants: Study shows - World Affairs - China Forum


Native Americans actually came from a tiny mountain region in Siberia, DNA research reveals

Tiny region in central Russia has DNA link to native Americans today
Ancestors thought to have walked across ice 13,000 years ago
Altai is 'key place', because central location means ancient peoples passed through


ww.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2092258/Native-Americans-actually-came-tiny-mountain-region-Russia-DNA-research-reveals.html


Genetic link between Native Americans and Asians strengthened

The research reinforces previous genetic links to Siberia and offers a “high-resolution picture to work up until this point” in genetic and anthropological research, said Theodore Schurr, one of the study’s authors and an associate professor in Penn’s department of anthropology.

The Altai Republic, a federal subject of Russia, straddles the borders of Mongolia, China and Kazakhstan. “t’s a place that people have been coming and going for thousands and thousands of years,” Schurr said.

Genetic link between Native Americans and Asians strengthened


Penn Anthropologists Clarify Link Between Asians and Early Native Americans

Penn Anthropologists Clarify Link Between Asians and Early Native Americans | Penn News

 

[Android]

Shaolin Kung Fu: A guide | Inter Martial Arts

 

[Android]

^^^^Ha Ha.....the poster above yours is quoting his own post.....proves that you he ran out of arguments....

Tat Moh is just indeed a Chinese name given to the Indian monk Bodhidharma....

The Origins of Shaolin Kung Fu (this is a Chinese source provided many times in this thread....BUT people are just ignoring it LOL)

these guys are trying too hard to prove something belonging to others as theirs, reminds people of thieves caught with evidence of the stolen objects and trying to prove otherwise, it makes every one concerned -including the judge- laugh.
If they want to feel good about yourselves, just be ythemselves, without too much coercion and by trying to boost of their egos for nothing; every one supports and likes genuine people.

 

[Nan Yang]

Yet you fail to understand the reasons why such arts have disappeared? China had the Himalayas to protect her from the hordes for 1000's of yrs. India had to face the brunt of many invasions, from Alexander till the present. There is no doubt.

Himalayas actually should have protected India. Not China. China had no natural barriers to protect from the hordes of barbarians residing in the north of China. In fact no country has fought more barbarians than China. China had to deal with the Xiong Nu (The Huns), the Dong Hu, the Khitans, the Jurgens, the Mongols, the Manchus, the Xian Bei etc. There is a famous old saying Wu Hu Luan Hua meaning Five barbarians create havoc.

Its not easy to fight these barbarians. They have no cities, little belongings and they move from place to place in the vast grassland. The only way to fight them is the keep chasing them until the end of the world. Or build a long wall.

Europe only had to deal with the Huns. If there was no Himalayas South Asia would well be overrun by these barbarians.

 

[ephone]

Of course, Chinese martial art did exist way before him. Otherwise, how the heck did Qin unite China and Han defeat the Huns??? Talk them into retreating or surrendering???

Boddhidharma was indeed a great martial artist, but many theories suggest that the Chinese martial art AKA Kung Fu did exist way before the introduction of the Buddhism to China.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

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Sir LurkaLot



Study says Native Americans are Chinese Descendants

The idea, that Chinese people crossed the waters to America at the end of the Shang dynasty (also called Yin dynasty sometimes), is not something novel. Several scientific studies show that there's ample evidence to back this theory.

Native Americans are Chinese descendants: Study shows - World Affairs - China Forum


Native Americans actually came from a tiny mountain region in Siberia, DNA research reveals

Tiny region in central Russia has DNA link to native Americans today
Ancestors thought to have walked across ice 13,000 years ago
Altai is 'key place', because central location means ancient peoples passed through


ww.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2092258/Native-Americans-actually-came-tiny-mountain-region-Russia-DNA-research-reveals.html


Genetic link between Native Americans and Asians strengthened

The research reinforces previous genetic links to Siberia and offers a “high-resolution picture to work up until this point” in genetic and anthropological research, said Theodore Schurr, one of the study’s authors and an associate professor in Penn’s department of anthropology.

The Altai Republic, a federal subject of Russia, straddles the borders of Mongolia, China and Kazakhstan. “t’s a place that people have been coming and going for thousands and thousands of years,” Schurr said.

Genetic link between Native Americans and Asians strengthened


Penn Anthropologists Clarify Link Between Asians and Early Native Americans

Penn Anthropologists Clarify Link Between Asians and Early Native Americans | Penn News

They're of Indigenous Siberian origin not Chinese. Some of them still look a lot of like them today.

Haplogroup Q (Y-DNA)

Haplogrupo C3

 

[ChennaiSKing]

Indians absolutely like to take credit whenever they have a chance.

Even there is nothing related to KongFu left in their country. No any trace, no any record, absolutely nothing, even in the remote corners of India. How strange !!!

To me the most likely scenario is: an India monk was teaching those Shaolin monks Yoga kind of things, which were incorporated into original Shaolin KungFu.

KongFu existed in China long before the Shaolin temple. There are so called DaoJia KongFu, WuDang Kungfu, ErMei KungFu, Qingcheng, Kongtong KungFu etc, I hope nobody claims their origins.

We don't need to take any undue credit, the world's great leaders, scientists, thinkers, philosophers knows what our ancestors have given to this world...below are some of their thoughts about India...

Albert Einstein, American scientist: "We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made."

Will Durant, American historian: "India was the motherland of our race, and Sanskrit the mother of Europe's languages: she was the mother of our philosophy; mother, through the Arabs, of much of our mathematics; mother, through the Buddha, of the ideals embodied in Christianity; mother, through the village community, of self-government and democracy. Mother India is in many ways the mother of us all".

Hu Shih, writer, Philosopher, former Ambassador of China to USA: "India conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across her border."

Romain Rolland, French scholar : "If there is one place on the face of earth where all the dreams of living men have found a home from the very earliest days when man began the dream of existence, it is India."

Max Mueller, German scholar: If I were asked under what sky the human mind has most fully developed some of its choicest gifts, has most deeply pondered on the greatest problems of life, and has found solutions, I should point to India.

J. Robert Oppenheimer - father of the atomic bomb, American physicist and director of the Manhattan Project, learned Sanskrit in 1933 and read the Bhagavad Gita in the original, citing it later as one of the most influential books to shape his philosophy of life.

 

[LaBong]

Saolin Kung Fu or any sort of Kung Fu is Chinese, there could be an Indian who contributed to what was earlier from of Kung Fu, but Chinese mastered it and make it what it is today. Credit should go where it belongs.

 

[The SC]

Tat Moh was his chinese name his indian name was Bodhidharma

So, it means that he was a Chinese who came to India to teach it Buddhism and Indians gave him the name Budhidharma! it is a possibility too.

 

[LaBong]

So, it means that he was a Chinese who came to India to teach it Buddhism and Indians gave him the name Budhidharma! it is a possibility too.

It is like your previous claim that it could be that Indian numerals came to India from Arab and not the vice versa. Why don't you read and research a bit before asking people to spoon feed you.

 

[GR!FF!N]

So, it means that he was a Chinese who came to India to teach it Buddhism and Indians gave him the name Budhidharma! it is a possibility too.

dumb or what???how many times we have to tell you he was indian????


Read and Educate yourself....

Shaolin monks and disciples follow a unique practice among Buddhists in that they greet each other using only their right hand. This greeting is a tradition which dates back to Da Mo and his disciple, Hui Ke.

In 495 AD, the Indian monk Ba Tuo, or Buddhabhadra, came to China teaching a form of Buddhism known as Xiao Sheng Buddhism. He was given land at the foot of Shaoshi mountain by Emperor Shao Wen and founded the Shaolin Temple on this land.

Around the time that Ba Tuo was founding the Shaolin Temple there was an Indian prince named Bodhidharma. Bodhidharma was very intelligent and was the favorite son of the king of a region that is now part of southern India. Bodhidharma had two older brothers who feared that their father, the king, would pass them over and bequeath the kingship to Bodhidharma. In their jealousy, the two older brothers often disparaged Bodhidharma while talking with their father, hoping to turn him against their younger brother. The older brothers also attempted to assassinate Bodhidharma but Bodhidharma had very good karma and so the attempts were not successful. Despite being the favorite son of the king, Bodhidharma realized that he was not interested in a life of politics. He chose instead to study with the famous Buddhist master Prajnatara and become a Buddhist monk.

Bodhidharma trained with his master for many years. One day he asked his master, "Master, when you pass away, where should I go? What should I do?" His master replied that he should go to Zhen Dan, which was the name for China at that time. Years later, Bodhidharma's master passed away and Bodhidharma prepared to leave for China.

During the many years that Bodhidharma had studied as a monk, one of his older brothers had become king of India and that older brother's son had become king after him. The king of India was very fond of his uncle and wanted to make amends for the actions which Bodhidharma's older brothers had taken against him. He asked Bodhidharma to stay near the capital, where he could protect and care for him, but Bodhidharma knew that he must go to China as his master had said.

Seeing that Bodhidharma would not remain, the king of India ordered that carrier pigeons be sent to China with messages asking the people of China to take care of Bodhidharma. These messages made Bodhidharma famous among many Chinese who wondered what was so special about this particular Buddhist monk that the king of India would make such a request.

In 527 AD, 32 years after Ba Tuo's founding of the Shaolin temple, Bodhidharma crossed through Guangdong province into China. In China, he was known as Da Mo. Da Mo arrived in China practicing Da Sheng (Mahayana) Buddhism. When Da Mo arrived, he was greeted by a large crowd of people who had heard of the famous Buddhist master and wished to hear him speak. Rather than speak, Da Mo sat down and began meditating. He meditated for many hours. Upon completing his meditation, Da Mo rose and walked away, saying nothing.

His actions had a profound effect upon his audience. Some people laughed, some cried, some were angry and some nodded their heads in understanding. Regardless of the emotion, everyone in the crowd had a reaction.

This incident made Da Mo even more famous, so famous that Emperor Wu heard of him. Emperor Wu, who ruled over the southern kingdom of China, invited Da Mo to come to his palace. When Da Mo arrived, Emperor Wu talked with Da Mo about Buddhism. The emperor had erected many statues and temples devoted to Buddhism. He had given much wealth to Buddhist temples. In talking of his accomplishments, Emperor Wu asked Da Mo if his actions were good. Da Mo replied that they were not. This response surprised Emperor Wu, but they continued talking and eventually Emperor Wu asked Da Mo if there was Buddha in this world. Da Mo replied that there was not.

Da Mo's replies were a reflection of Emperor Wu. By asking if his actions were good, Emperor Wu was searching for compliments and affirmation from Da Mo. Da Mo denied that Emperor Wu's actions were good because it is the duty of the emperor to care for his people. Rather than seeking compliments, Emperor Wu should have been content to help his people through Buddha. Similarly, if one asks if there is Buddha in the world, then one has already answered the question: Buddha is a matter of faith, you either believe in your heart or you do not. In questioning the existence of Buddha, Emperor Wu had demonstrated a lack of faith.

Da Mo's answers enraged Emperor Wu and he ordered Da Mo to leave his palace and never return. Da Mo simply smiled, turned and left.

Da Mo continued his journey, heading north, when he reached the city of Nanjing. In the city of Nanjing, there was a famous place called the Flower Rain Pavillion where many people gathered to speak and relax. There was a large crowd of people gathered in the Flower Rain Pavillion around a Buddhist monk, who was lecturing. This Buddhist monk was named Shen Guang.

Shen Guang had at one time been a famous general. He had killed many people in battle but one day realized that the people he had been killing had family and friends and that one day someone might come and kill him. This changed him and he decided to train as a Buddhist monk. Eventually, Shen Guang became a great speaker on Buddhism. As Da Mo neared the crowd, he listened to Shen Guang's speech. Sometimes Shen Guang would speak and Da Mo would nod his head, as if in agreement. Sometimes Shen Guang would speak and Da Mo would shake his head, as if in disagreement. As this continued, Shen Guang became very angry at the strange foreign monk who dared to disagree with him in front of this crowd. In anger, Shen Guang took the Buddhist beads from around his neck and flicked them at Da Mo. The beads struck Da Mo in his face, knocking out two of his front teeth. Da Mo immediately began bleeding. Shen Guang expected a confrontation; instead, Da Mo smiled, turned and walked away.

This reaction astounded Shen Guang, who began following after Da Mo.

Da Mo continued north until he reached the Yangzi river. Seated by the river there was an old woman with a large bundle of reeds next to her. Da Mo walked up to the old woman and asked her if he might have a reed. She replied that he might. Da Mo took a single reed, placed it upon the surface of the Yangzi river and stepped onto the reed. He was carried across the Yangzi river by the force of his chi. Seeing this, Shen Guang ran up to where the old woman sat and grabbed a handful of reeds without asking. He threw the reeds onto the Yangzi river and stepped onto them. The reeds sank beneath him and Shen Guang began drowning. The old woman saw his plight and took pity on Shen Guang, pulling him from the river. As Shen Guang lay on the ground coughing up river water, the old woman admonished him. She said that by not asking for her reeds before taking them, he had shown her disrespect and that by disrespecting her, Shen Guang had disrespected himself. The old woman also told Shen Guang that he had been searching for a master and that Da Mo, the man he was following, was that master. As she said this, the reeds which had sunk beneath Shen Guang rose again to the surface of the river and Shen Guang found himself on the reeds being carried across the Yangzi river. He reached the other side and continued following after Da Mo.

There are many people who believe that the old woman by the river was a Boddhisatva who was helping Shen Guang to end the cycle of his samsara.

At this point, Da Mo was nearing the location of the Shaolin Temple. The Shaolin monks had heard of his approach and were gathered to meet him. When Da Mo arrived, the Shaolin monks greeted him and invited him to come stay at the temple. Da Mo did not reply but he went to a cave on a mountain behind the Shaolin Temple, sat down, and began meditating. In front of the Shaolin Temple, there are five mountains: Bell Mountain, Drum Mountain, Sword Mountain, Stamp Mountain and Flag Mountain. These mountains are named after the objects which their shape resembles. Behind the Shaolin Temple there are five "Breast Mountains" which are shaped like breasts. The cave in which Da Mo chose to meditate was on one of the Breast Mountains.

Da Mo sat facing a wall in the cave and meditated for nine years. During these nine years, Shen Guang stayed outside Da Mo's cave and acted as a bodyguard for Da Mo, ensuring that no harm came to Da Mo. Periodically Shen Guang would ask Da Mo to teach him, but Da Mo never responded to Shen Guang's requests. During these nine years the Shaolin monks would also periodically invite Da Mo to come down to the Temple, where he would be much more comfortable, but Da Mo never responded. After some time, Da Mo's concentration became so intense that his image was engraved into the stone of the wall before him.

Towards the end of the nine years, the Shaolin monks decided that they must do something more for Da Mo and so they made a special room for him. They called this room the Da Mo Ting. When this room was completed at the end of the nine years, the Shaolin monks invited Da Mo to come stay in the room. Da Mo did not respond but he stood up, walked down to the room, sat down, and immediately began meditating. Shen Guang followed Da Mo to the Shaolin temple and stood guard outside Da Mo's room. Da Mo meditated in his room for another four years. Shen Guang would occasionally ask Da Mo to teach him, but Da Mo never responded.

At the end of the four-year period Shen Guang had been following Da Mo for thirteen years, but Da Mo had never said anything to Shen Guang. It was winter when the four-year period was ending and Shen Guang was standing in the snow outside the window to Da Mo's room. He was cold and became very angry. He picked up a large block of snow and ice and hurled it into Da Mo's room. The snow and ice made a loud noise as it broke inside Da Mo's room. This noise awoke Da Mo from his meditation and he looked at Shen Guang. In anger and frustration Shen Guang demanded to know when Da Mo would teach him.

Da Mo responded that he would teach Shen Guang when red snow fell from the sky.
Hearing this, something inside Shen Guang's heart changed and he took the sword he carried from his belt and cut off his left arm. He held the severed arm above his head and whirled it around. The blood from the arm froze in the cold air and fell like red snow. Seeing this, Da Mo agreed to teach Shen Guang.

Da Mo took a monk's spade and went with Shen Guang to the Drum Mountain in front of Shaolin Temple. The Drum Mountain is so called because it is very flat on top. Da Mo's unspoken message to Shen Guang was that Shen Guang should flatten his heart, just like the surface of the Drum Mountain. On this Drum Mountain Da Mo dug a well. The water of this well was bitter. Da Mo then left Shen Guang on the Drum Mountain. For an entire year, Shen Guang used the bitter water of the well to take care of all of his needs. He used it to cook, to clean, to bathe, to do everything. At the end of the first year, Shen Guang went down to Da Mo and again asked Da Mo to teach him. Da Mo returned with Shen Guang to the Drum Mountain and dug a second well. The water of this well was spicy. For an entire year, Shen Guang used the spicy water for all of his needs. At the end of the second year, Shen Guang went back down to Da Mo and asked again to be taught. Da Mo dug a third well on the Drum Mountain. The water of this third well was sour. For the third year, Shen Guang used the sour water for all of his needs. At the end of the third year, Shen Guang returned to Da Mo and agains asked to be taught. Da Mo returned to the Drum Mountain and dug a fourth and final well. The water of this well was sweet. At this point, Shen Guang realized that the four wells represented his life. Like the wells, his life would sometimes be bitter, sometimes sour, sometimes spicy and sometimes sweet. Each of these phases in his life was equally beautiful and necessary, just as each of the four seasons of the year is beautiful and necessary in its own way. Without really saying many words to Shen Guang, Da Mo had taught Shen Guang the most important of lessons in a mind-to-mind, heart-to-heart fashion. This mind-to- mind, heart-to-heart communication is called "action language" and is the foundation of the Chan Buddhism which Da Mo began at the Shaolin Temple.

After his realization, Shen Guang was given the name Hui Ke and he became abbot of the Shaolin temple after Da Mo.

To pay respect for the sacrifice which Hui Ke made, disciples and monks of the Shaolin Temple greet each other using only their right hand.

The Story of Bodhidharma | USA Shaolin Temple. Official Website


and this is USA Shaolin Temple...its not any indian mouthpiece..

The USA Shaolin Temple was founded in 1994 by 34th Generation Shaolin Temple Warrior Monk, Shi Yan Ming. The Temple teaches Chan philosophy or Action Meditation, continuing the tradition as founded by Bodhidharma ( Putidamo ) in the year 527. The USA Shaolin Temple is located in New York City and has branches in Austria, Mexico, South Africa, Chile, Trinidad and Tobago and Argentina.

 

[The SC]

We don't need to take any undue credit, the world's great leaders, scientists, thinkers, philosophers knows what our ancestors have given to this world...below are some of their thoughts about India...

Albert Einstein, American scientist: "We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made."

Will Durant, American historian: "India was the motherland of our race, and Sanskrit the mother of Europe's languages: she was the mother of our philosophy; mother, through the Arabs, of much of our mathematics; mother, through the Buddha, of the ideals embodied in Christianity; mother, through the village community, of self-government and democracy. Mother India is in many ways the mother of us all".

Hu Shih, writer, Philosopher, former Ambassador of China to USA: "India conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across her border."

Romain Rolland, French scholar : "If there is one place on the face of earth where all the dreams of living men have found a home from the very earliest days when man began the dream of existence, it is India."

Max Mueller, German scholar: If I were asked under what sky the human mind has most fully developed some of its choicest gifts, has most deeply pondered on the greatest problems of life, and has found solutions, I should point to India.

J. Robert Oppenheimer - father of the atomic bomb, American physicist and director of the Manhattan Project, learned Sanskrit in 1933 and read the Bhagavad Gita in the original, citing it later as one of the most influential books to shape his philosophy of life.

Civilisation started in Mesopotamia, it is a scientific fact, not a fable, so most of what those great people said about India is to flatter Indians, you should read "How to win friends and influence people" by dale Carneige.

Back to topic:
No one on this thread could prove that Kung fu originated in India, if there were any sound and solid evidences, I and many others would have been the first to confirm it fairly.

dumb or what???how many times we have to tell you he was indian????


Read and Educate yourself....









The Story of Bodhidharma | USA Shaolin Temple. Official Website


and this is USA Shaolin Temple...its not any indian mouthpiece..

The USA Shaolin Temple was founded in 1994 by 34th Generation Shaolin Temple Warrior Monk, Shi Yan Ming. The Temple teaches Chan philosophy or Action Meditation, continuing the tradition as founded by Bodhidharma ( Putidamo ) in the year 527. The USA Shaolin Temple is located in New York City and has branches in Austria, Mexico, South Africa, Chile, Trinidad and Tobago and Argentina.

I have read this before you even knew the word kung Fu in you dump life. and I know it is an Indian fable (wishful thinking), the same as India is the mother of all civilisations, no need to argue, since your arguments run contrary to all evidences, be it scientific or literate.

 

[LaBong]

If anyone's life is miserable it is of those people of Indian subcontinent who have to go around and be pseudo Arab or pseudo Chinese undermining Indian subcontinental contributions, when both Arabs and Chinese acknowledge those.

It's kind of self hating if you ask me.

 

[INDIC]

Back to topic:
No one on this thread could prove that Kung fu originated in India, if there were any sound and solid evidences, I and many others would have been the first to confirm it fairly.

Kungfu is not a special word for martial art but it simply means "fighting" in Chinese language.