The Need for Greater Pakistan

[CrazyZ]

That is not the truth. Iraq made some gains at the start given the mess of the Iranian revolution. From 1983 to 1987 Saddam was fighting for his life and survival. Iran occupies small amounts of Iraqi lands. Iran went for the knockout blow and failed. In 1988 Iran had to accept peace. Iraq readily accepted peace. Iraq had small amount of Iranian territory when the war ended

 

[nahtanbob]

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who was the Rumsfeld in 1983 ? a virtual nobody

At the end of the day Iraq was a Soviet client state. The Iraqi military was equipped with Soviet equipment - T-72, BMP-2, MiGs.

USA supplies weapons to Iran (Iran-Contra affair). What does make USA ? friend of Iran

 

[CrazyZ]

who was the Rumsfeld in 1983 ? a virtual nobody

At the end of the day Iraq was a Soviet client state. The Iraqi military was equipped with Soviet equipment - T-72, BMP-2, MiGs.

USA supplies weapons to Iran (Iran-Contra affair). What does make USA ? friend of Iran

As stated, USA used the opportunity to bleed both sides. USA never opposed the Iraqi attack either.

 

[Armchair]

Let's look at the difference between Iraq vs Iran and our case.

1. In our scenario, we are moving in when the US has already made mince meat of Iran and we have a failed state in our hands. VERSUS: IvsI where Iran was at the top of their military and financial gain against a lousy Iraqi military

2. Iraq faced a totally different enemy topography - mountains rising creating a natural border that was difficult to penetrate effective.
We are facing flat, arid, dry desert-like land with clear air superiority and a far more effective air force.

3. Our military is one of the most professional and battle-hardened military in this planet right now. Iraq was a joke of a military with ridiculous tactics

4. We are taking over a predominantly Sunni territory, while Iraq was attacking Shiite territories and persian populations.

5. There is no major oil in this region. This makes it less attractive for foreign intrigue by countries like the US and UK.

PS: Did I mention how effective PAF is going to be on flat, dry desert terrain with the wide range of ammunition they have?

 

[CrazyZ]

Let's look at the difference between Iraq vs Iran and our case.

1. In our scenario, we are moving in when the US has already made mince meat of Iran and we have a failed state in our hands. VERSUS: IvsI where Iran was at the top of their military and financial gain against a lousy Iraqi military

2. Iraq faced a totally different enemy topography - mountains rising creating a natural border that was difficult to penetrate effective.
We are facing flat, arid, dry desert-like land with clear air superiority and a far more effective air force.

3. Our military is one of the most professional and battle-hardened military in this planet right now. Iraq was a joke of a military with ridiculous tactics

4. We are taking over a predominantly Sunni territory, while Iraq was attacking Shiite territories and persian populations.

5. There is no major oil in this region. This makes it less attractive for foreign intrigue by countries like the US and UK.

If your gonna be an imperialist go all out. Why risk such a war for such little returns. Push to the Pars Gas field....no go to khorammshah...that's where the oil is.

Battle hardened means little against suicide bombers and IEDs. The USA and GCC can devastate Irans conventional armies but they will resort to insurgent tactics.

Take a look at Sat images of Iran around Basra....it's flat. Compare to Baluchistan. It's mountains.

 

[YeBeWarned]

lets Invade Madagascar as well ..

 

[Armchair]

Insurgent tactics can only be used in Shia majority areas. Not in Sunni majority areas like Sistan-Baluchestan.

We don't want to go for the oil fields and we aren't imperialists in the true sense. Oil fields mean Iranian heartland, and territory that is difficult for us to hold and easy for Iran to attack. As opposed to S-B which is difficult for them to reach, let alone fight in. And impossible for them to use effective insurgency tactics in (hostile Sunni population).

 

[CrazyZ]

Insurgent tactics can only be used in Shia majority areas. Not in Sunni majority areas like Sistan-Baluchestan.

We don't want to go for the oil fields and we aren't imperialists in the true sense. Oil fields mean Iranian heartland, and territory that is difficult for us to hold and easy for Iran to attack. As opposed to S-B which is difficult for them to reach, let alone fight in. And impossible for them to use effective insurgency tactics in (hostile Sunni population).

How would you stop infiltrators.....Face it you cant keep this limited to Baluchistan.

Your also never mentioned our major advantage is sheer weight of numbers.... something the Iraqi's did not have. Only way to stop an insurgency.

How many troops would need 2 million?? How many would die?? 300,000??? How many Iranians would die? 1 million?

No thank you.

 

[Fracker]

Wow cool so now we are talking about attacking Iran, attacking Afghanistan and talking over those Muslim territories. What happened to peaceful merger like United based on common grounds, islam? We became so much unacceptable in our neighborhood?

We are loosing morality day by day. No doubt Pakistan is falling and Allah is not helping us to standup back.

 

[nahtanbob]

Let's look at the difference between Iraq vs Iran and our case.

1. In our scenario, we are moving in when the US has already made mince meat of Iran and we have a failed state in our hands. VERSUS: IvsI where Iran was at the top of their military and financial gain against a lousy Iraqi military

2. Iraq faced a totally different enemy topography - mountains rising creating a natural border that was difficult to penetrate effective.
We are facing flat, arid, dry desert-like land with clear air superiority and a far more effective air force.

3. Our military is one of the most professional and battle-hardened military in this planet right now. Iraq was a joke of a military with ridiculous tactics

4. We are taking over a predominantly Sunni territory, while Iraq was attacking Shiite territories and persian populations.

5. There is no major oil in this region. This makes it less attractive for foreign intrigue by countries like the US and UK.

PS: Did I mention how effective PAF is going to be on flat, dry desert terrain with the wide range of ammunition they have?

Military operations cost money. Operations like these will lead to end in financial support. You will be at the brink of economic collapse.

You should read history books

 

[Armchair]

Military operations cost money. Operations like these will lead to end in financial support. You will be at the brink of economic collapse.

You should read history books

That's quite rich coming from an American.

 

[nahtanbob]

As stated, USA used the opportunity to bleed both sides. USA never opposed the Iraqi attack either.

who didn't ??

That's quite rich coming from an American.

for the moment we have a printing press

 

[Armchair]

Wow cool so now we are talking about attacking Iran, attacking Afghanistan and talking over those Muslim territories. What happened to peaceful merger like United based on common grounds, islam? We became so much unacceptable in our neighborhood?

We are loosing morality day by day. No doubt Pakistan is falling and Allah is not helping us to standup back.

We are discussing peaceful merger, by consensus through local tribal jirgas in lands bordering our territory in the failed state of Afghanistan. We are also discussing peaceful reunification after Iran becomes a failed state, with our Sunni brethren in Iran, who would love nothing better than to leave the oppressive tyranny of Iran.

Salahudin Ayubi fought "his own brethren" for 25 years before fighting the Crusaders. You're either naive or pretending to be so.

 

[Wa Muhammada]

Bro

We already have Greater Pakistan in Glasgow, Huddersfield, Manchester, Bham, Bradford, Dubai ....how much more do u want?

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Dont matter if Saudi or Turkish. Just go and read their books.

I can clearly see a saudi influence in ur speech wowwwww... hahaha...


indeed but it doesnt mean our difference r soo grave that we cant get t ogether for a common defence and single market