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The Man who understands the subcontinent the best

As I said, this is not a thread to diss Pakistan because india is worse when judged against the criteria of scientific temperment among the masses..if he is anti-Islam then I probably way more anti-Hindu...He makes way too many valid points to be dismissed without careful consideration...problem at hand is how to bring Enlightenment to any south Asian country...even the Scottish Enlightenment probably had more intellectual output than that of combined subcontinent of the last 200 years
Lols ...he is an idiot and only idiots likes him.....

Subcontinent was doing well especially India but Modi came and f@ked the whole system including the stability of this region....
 
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Ideologically I am probably closest to this guy...This is not a thread to diss Pakistan, things are worse in India...The man liberally disses Modi too in the video (and rightly so)

Unless and until European style Enlightenment happens in the subcontinent, things will remain like this...no matter how many billions are spent on education with the best of intent


His retirement plan will be set by India now.
 
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Lols ...he is an idiot and only idiots likes him.....

Subcontinent was doing well especially India but Modi came and f@ked the whole system including the stability of this region....


It was doing well in the sense that it was eking out its subsistence and was striving for human dignity...I am talking of paradigm shift...A paradigm shift where teenagers of the subcontinent have as clear cut understanding of the borders of reality as the very best from the the West..One thing I like about Western scientists is how they break up problems to elemental levels and either prove or disprove them...like can Ghosts exist? if there were to be dragons would they have been evolutionarily feasible? How big could they have gotten? What is biggest spaceship that can be theoretically built? is psychokinesis reality or hoax? they tackle these problems with basics of particle physics...a kind of lateral thinking that is possible only when you accept the primacy of the Scientific method when it comes to explaining reality
 
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Why would I imitate a kuffar like you? How much piss have you drank today alone. GTFO..


But you come to this place where Kuffars exist alongside your clean/pure self.
Ain't that troubling for your heavenly pure and high stature?

Abu Hurayrah said, "I heard Abu al Qasim (the Prophet), upon him be peace, say, 'The best among you in Islam are those with the best manners, so long as they develop a sense of understanding."

'Abd Allah ibn 'Amr said, "There are four characteristics that, if you possess them, will prevent you from being affected if you are deprived of certain worldly benefits. They are good character, chaste outlook, honesty, and trustworthiness."

Umm Darda reported that Abu Darda got up one night to pray and began to cry, saying, "O Allah, You created me with a good nature. Now, give me good manners." He repeated this prayer all night long. In the morning I said to him, "O Abu Darda, why did 'you spend the entire night repeatedly praying for good manners?" He said to me, "O Umm Darda, a believer will spend his time improving his manners so that, by means of them, he may enter Paradise. If he neglects his manners, they will lead him to the Fire.

Now tell me again.
Are you not imitating kuffar by your lack of manners and hateful/toxic speech for no reason?
Many of them are better than you at being Muslim even if they are not.
Something to think about?

And this my last reply to your trolling, stop devouring this thread to a trolling fest instead of discussing the topic at hand.
 
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Ideologically I am probably closest to this guy...This is not a thread to diss Pakistan, things are worse in India...The man liberally disses Modi too in the video (and rightly so)

Unless and until European style Enlightenment happens in the subcontinent, things will remain like this...no matter how many billions are spent on education with the best of intent


“European Style”, ?
Don’t make a socially failed society your idol, people of subcontinent have high potential to become a very highly functioning society, balancing social, Economical structure IF they focus on Peace, Prosperity, Education and voting and choosing good leaders who are inspired by the good and don’t war monger.

Stop with all this “UK TYPE” “US TYPE”
 
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Ideologically I am probably closest to this guy...This is not a thread to diss Pakistan, things are worse in India...The man liberally disses Modi too in the video (and rightly so)

Unless and until European style Enlightenment happens in the subcontinent, things will remain like this...no matter how many billions are spent on education with the best of intent



His criticism of Iqbal is highly illogical, irrational & provocative. There are many fallacies in his arguments. You cannot quote things out of context and paint with one colour Professor, shame on you. Iqbal is beyond the lowlands of servile conformism. Please educate yourself from Annemarie Schimmel, a respected German scholar who has uncovered Iqbal’s thought. She (like you) differs on Islamic thought but shows great respect towards Iqbal and his universal philosophy and metaphysics - explains it, for fools like you. As for you get all hyped up about Iqbal saying that ‘classical Physics ciritcising its own foundatins’, if you read the entire passage in Iqbal’s masterpiece, he is referring to the Newtonian Euclidean view of space being overshadowed by Einstein’s relativity. What is wrong with this statement? In the small town of Heidelberg, Germany before we had the Internet, this genius travelling on ships and trains from India studied Western philosophy and had profound ideas, which is why he was knighted by the British Crown to rightly be called Sir Muhammad Iqbal. Your strong unnecessary criticism on the ‘Reconstruction of Religious Thought’ is disgraceful. You have all the right to express your narrow opinions but perhaps you should do so with professionalism & remove your horse blinders first.

Similar to how Hoodbhoy takes offense of a non physicist talking about physics, can someone please tell him to shut up and not talk ignorantly about social sciences, philosophy and history in which he has zero qualifications? For the love of God man, Iqbal was a poet philosopher and his take on science is from a philosophical point of view, which might occasionally contradict physics, just as many Western philosophers' point of view does. I would highly encourage dear professor to write a few research papers and train students in physics and not talk about stuff like comparing Iqbal and Syed Ahmad Khan and historical scientific trends in the Muslim world which he has literally zero knowledge about!


It is always funny how hindus/indians latch onto these pakistanis that have contributed nothing tangible to Pakistan or the world at large. I hope Mr.Hoodbhoy will enjoy the likeness of RSS goons and filthy Indians. After all , they , along with seculars are his biggest fan. It is funny to see the savior complex of Indians with regards to Pakistanis.


Also, here is a sincere academic attempt to clarify this confusion raised about the Reconstruction of Religious Thought in Islam. It is hoped this will give the reader a glimpse of how grand its vision is: http://www.allamaiqbal.com/publications/journals/review/oct08/7.htm
 
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Ideologically I am probably closest to this guy...This is not a thread to diss Pakistan, things are worse in India...The man liberally disses Modi too in the video (and rightly so)

Unless and until European style Enlightenment happens in the subcontinent, things will remain like this...no matter how many billions are spent on education with the best of intent






i agree hindus should stop drinking cow piss for a start

bad for health
 
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i agree hindus should drinking cow piss for a start

bad for health


could you please stop bringing this up ad nauseam..don't you think I am not aware of certain semitic tribes' equal (modern) veneration for a desert ungulate

His criticism of Iqbal is highly illogical, irrational & provocative. There are many fallacies in his arguments. You cannot quote things out of context and paint with one colour Professor, shame on you. Iqbal is beyond the lowlands of servile conformism. Please educate yourself from Annemarie Schimmel, a respected German scholar who has uncovered Iqbal’s thought. She (like you) differs on Islamic thought but shows great respect towards Iqbal and his universal philosophy and metaphysics - explains it, for fools like you. As for you get all hyped up about Iqbal saying that ‘classical Physics ciritcising its own foundatins’, if you read the entire passage in Iqbal’s masterpiece, he is referring to the Newtonian Euclidean view of space being overshadowed by Einstein’s relativity. What is wrong with this statement? In the small town of Heidelberg, Germany before we had the Internet, this genius travelling on ships and trains from India studied Western philosophy and had profound ideas, which is why he was knighted by the British Crown to rightly be called Sir Muhammad Iqbal. Your strong unnecessary criticism on the ‘Reconstruction of Religious Thought’ is disgraceful. You have all the right to express your narrow opinions but perhaps you should do so with professionalism & remove your horse blinders first.

Similar to how Hoodbhoy takes offense of a non physicist talking about physics, can someone please tell him to shut up and not talk ignorantly about social sciences, philosophy and history in which he has zero qualifications? For the love of God man, Iqbal was a poet philosopher and his take on science is from a philosophical point of view, which might occasionally contradict physics, just as many Western philosophers' point of view does. I would highly encourage dear professor to write a few research papers and train students in physics and not talk about stuff like comparing Iqbal and Syed Ahmad Khan and historical scientific trends in the Muslim world which he has literally zero knowledge about!


It is always funny how hindus/indians latch onto these pakistanis that have contributed nothing tangible to Pakistan or the world at large. I hope Mr.Hoodbhoy will enjoy the likeness of RSS goons and filthy Indians. After all , they , along with seculars are his biggest fan.


Also, here is a sincere academic attempt to clarify this confusion raised about the Reconstruction of Religious Thought in Islam. It is hoped this will give the reader a glimpse of how grand its vision is: http://www.allamaiqbal.com/publications/journals/review/oct08/7.htm



I understand the point you make ..and that had been a philosophical concern 100 years in the past..But after the air had cleared, he could have given a reformed statement



Was Paul Johnson's "Modern Times" Right About Einstein's General Theory Undermining European Civilization?
 
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could you please stop bringing this up ad nauseam..don't you think I am not aware of certain semitic tribes' equal (modern) veneration for a desert ungulate





I understand the point you make ..and that had been a philosophical concern 100 years in the past..But after the air had cleared, he could have given a reformed statement


Was Paul Johnson's "Modern Times" Right About Einstein's General Theory Undermining European Civilization?



really?..

European enlightenment was triggered by muslims of spain... like when Islam came to the sub contingent.. and people became muslim people stop drinking cow piss, burning women when huby died, dowery, caste system etc ...

so stop cow piss drinking !
 
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really?..

European enlightenment was triggered by muslims of spain... like when Islam came to the sub contingent.. and people became muslim people stop drinking cow piss, burning women when huby died, dowery, caste system etc ...

so stop cow piss drinking !


European Enlightenment came after the age of Scientific revolution ..Scientific revolution is the age when the Scientific Method was reconstituted and perfected and a flurry of new path breaking discoveries were made

this age is roughly from Galileo's experiments to Newton's publishing of Principia Mathematics

1589 to 1687 ...98 years

European Enlightenment is from 1687 to 1789 (French Revolution)..after that the Industrial Age takes over...till the onset of the Electric Age


There is no point in dragging the period of development of the Scientific method into the depths of time (Thales etc.)....this would mean it took well over 2,000 years for the Scientific Method to be discovered whereas real Science took place over a much smaller period
 
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@Juggernaut_is_here my friend,

Still flirting... still not coming out to play!

Unless, the fundamental question is either asked or sought an answer for ... well, it shall remain hanging in the midair!

Schiller can be isntructive! How is your Schiller?

I do wonder why in the developed West... not every country in EU is equally developed... Why?

EasternEurope ... SouthernEurope...

Anyhow, you be good and drive safely!

Mangus
 
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European Enlightenment came after the age of Scientific revolution ..Scientific revolution is the age when the Scientific Method was reconstituted and perfected and a flurry of new path breaking discoveries were made

this age is roughly from Galileo's experiments to Newton's publishing of Principia Mathematics

1589 to 1687 ...98 years

European Enlightenment is from 1687 to 1789 (French Revolution)..after that the Industrial Age takes over...till the onset of the Electric Age


There is no point in dragging the period of development of the Scientific method into the depths of time (Thales etc.)....this would mean it took well over 2,000 years for the Scientific Method to be discovered whereas real Science took place over a much smaller period


Thanks to muslims... there is 13 part BBC documentary on the Crusades floating around U tube.. watch it.. be enlightened.
 
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Precisely. What logical topics can really be there? This forum is here to come talk shit, pour out your ignorance driven hatred, and call it a day.

My ignorance driven hatred was not directed towards you was it? There have been many Hoodbhoy posts on this forum and most of them do what? What logical statements are there. There are no logical statements. Most of his statements are beliefs, judgments and opinions. I am sure a logical person like you can understand that.

The main theme is that Islam is the reason that Pakistan is the way it is. He is not a political scientist, theologian or historian. What qualifications does he have to talk about these things?

You are upset because I trolled juggernaut? Do you follow juggernaut's posts? Most of them are filled with hatred..

At least you accept you are an illogical troll.

Listen, I have never spoken to you but whatever makes you feel good about yourself. I rather be an illogical troll than be a self-righteous nobody. You want to feel like a white knight then be my guest. At least you saved somebody today.


Is it common for you to speak garbage out of your mouth be a comment on a thread or response to people who highlight your stupidity and trolling?

I spoke garbage because you speak garbage. You first want to bait me with a passive aggressive post and then write out this long drawn out rant. You have no Idea what is going on and you jumped in the middle of something that is not related to you.

Look at your posts. You mocked me for what? Because I trolled a troll? Look at the "bullshit" you have posted at the bottom. You are barking at me for what reason?

I do not come to this forum to see how good some of you are at talking bullshit.
I come here to see what good stuff is there to talk about.
If you lack what it takes to comprehend logic, then might as well stay out of stuff that doesn't make sense to your brain if you got one up there?

I don't have a brain because all the brains in the world have been given to you.

That is why I asked what are the logical arguments made by hoodbhoy? I am assuming that you have seen the video. He is starting the video by saying that Muslims thought that "par na likna" is unclean so they did not partake in those activities.
Is that a logical statement or something that an old angry man says?
I am sure you know how the scientific community works better than I. So in history did muslim think it was unclean to be educated?

There are definitely many problems to talk about India, but they are also the people who reject darkness and stand up for it. Have you heard of how many protests their people have organized about the darkness that was being forced on them? How has Modi performed in Delhi elections for example?

Oh yeah sure. There are a lot of Indians who have organized against the darkness that is being force upon them.
Good for them and I hope they are able to resolve their issues.

When did you or your sleeping public ever woke up to stand up for the darkness that has been shoved up their asses for many decades now?
Most of you still worship your thug mafia and will still vote them in power if given the chance.

The sleeping public needs people like you. Go call them stupid and wake them up. Ask them why they cannot be like the Indians or the Europeans. Then shame them into being stupid and mock them while they are struggling.

You want to shove things up peoples asses not me. Hoodboy wants to shove a lot of things up your ***.
What thug mafia are you talking about? The atheist mafia or the mafia that wants us to go sit in the Lap of the west and become like them?
I don't worship any human being or mafia. You are assuming a lot of things about me and that is fine. That is how people like you feel better about themselves.

I am all fine discussing what's wrong with india where they are doing worse. But I'm definitely not up for ignoring the darkness my own place is living in and then you people trolling every topic and screwing up the forum in general.
What did this topic have to do with Pakistan vs India till you brought it into it?

How can I screw up something that is already screwed up? The forum is screwed up because of these Indians who come here with an agenda and make fools out of less fortunate people like you.

Who has ignored the darkness in your own place? Wtf are you even talking about? Why do Pakistanis have to compare themselves to India? And why do Indians compare themselves to Pakistanis?
The whole video compares India vs Pakistan. Hindu vs Islam. Gora vs brown.
Hoodbhoy starts out with a comparison about India vs Pakistan. Hindu Vs Islam and gora vs the brown person.

Now do you carry the ability to comprehend and discuss the topic at hand and comment on it or want to consider pissing off from a place where you can't contribute anything?

I posted my comment after I listened to the video. Have you watched the video?
The video has not contributed to the discussion about the education system in Pakistan. Hoodbhoy has not contributed to the education system in Pakistan. He is preaching anti-theism. This is why juggernaut agrees with him. Watch the video and listen to the first 20-30 minutes of the video. Listen to the examples that he is presenting.
Then ask yourself what is his agenda? What is the solution that he has given to Pakistan to improve itself.
I understand you are frustrated but barking at people and mocking them won't solve anything.
 
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Perhaps, the real question is: Can we dispense with the religion?
 
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