The Iraqi Armed Forces

[Malik Alashter]

We don't need destroyers or submarines with our tiny coastline, all we need is a few small corvettes (maybe one that can carry a helicopter) to protect the offshore oil platforms. The naval attack platforms will be from the air force.

If we had expensive destroyers, submarines they would be very close to our neighbors when at base, thus easy targets.

These big ships needed for projecting power while don't have this kind of policy

 

[Saddam Hussein]

These big ships needed for projecting power while don't have this kind of policy

They're expensive, with high operational cost and will be easy targets for our neighbors. Iraq's naval strike capabilities would be through the air force (anti-ship missiles). But there's other priorities, naval is the last priority.

For now the navy could use some search and rescue helicopters which it doesn't have, if a navy ship sinks/has problems we'd have to rely on US navy support probably

 

[Malik Alashter]

They're expensive, with high operational cost and will be easy targets for our neighbors. Iraq's naval strike capabilities would be through the air force (anti-ship missiles). But there's other priorities, naval is the last priority.

For now the navy could use some search and rescue helicopters which it doesn't have, if a navy ship sinks/has problems we'd have to rely on US navy support probably

As you said all we need is Corvettes with self defense systems and coastal defense missiles That's enough

We need better air Force and air defense systems something like s-400 or Patriots or the Chinese hq-9 and more of the pantsir

 

[Human One]

They're expensive, with high operational cost and will be easy targets for our neighbors. Iraq's naval strike capabilities would be through the air force (anti-ship missiles). But there's other priorities, naval is the last priority.

For now the navy could use some search and rescue helicopters which it doesn't have, if a navy ship sinks/has problems we'd have to rely on US navy support probably

The navy could make use of multi role helicopters that are capable of being armed with anti-ship missiles.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

In depth analysis of ISOF post-2014 (90+ pages)
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/uploads/Documents/pubs/PolicyFocus157-Witty-2.pdf

 

[Rubber-duck]

" 3D simulator STW-28 for training pilots of Mi-28NE helicopters at the Army Aviation School in Baghdad"

https://www.facebook.com/

 

[Malik Alashter]

the have these in storage while our boys get killed for lacking protection

our MoD is deeply infiltrated

 

[Saddam Hussein]

the have these in storage while our boys get killed for lacking protection

our MoD is deeply infiltrated

these vechiles are of no use for current operations, infact using them will result in more losses

 

[Malik Alashter]

these vechiles are of no use for current operations, infact using them will result in more losses

Why?

 

[Saddam Hussein]

Why?

The current war against IS is one without a frontline against dispersed hidden fighters that are not using (heavy) vechiles, the vechiles they used are disguised as civillian vechiles and they only use them for hit & run attacks. Using heavy APC's will limit visibility of the Iraqi army, they will be heavily armored but largely blind to their surroundings and slow to respond, easy targets for IS.

 

[Malik Alashter]

The current war against IS is one without a frontline against dispersed hidden fighters that are not using (heavy) vechiles, the vechiles they used are disguised as civillian vechiles and they only use them for hit & run attacks. Using heavy APC's will limit visibility of the Iraqi army, they will be heavily armored but largely blind to their surroundings and slow to respond, easy targets for IS.

I'm not talking about today I talk about the operations last years

 

[Persian Gulf 1906]

As you said all we need is Corvettes with self defense systems and coastal defense missiles That's enough

We need better air Force and air defense systems something like s-400 or Patriots or the Chinese hq-9 and more of the pantsir

why would Iraq need s-400?

 

[Saddam Hussein]

why would Iraq need s-400?

Iraq is in the center of the middle east, holds a lot of wealth and in the middle of geopoltical games. The air defense and air force need a rebuilding, the air force general is seeking around 192 fighter jets. S-400's are needed for obvious reasons, not sure why you're asking that.

When a small US protected vassal like the UAE or Kuwait makes orders for F18's or long-range air defenses no one says anything, when Iraq which is far larger with 40 million people seeks such systems we get this lol. Seems people forgot Iraq was a regional military power a few decades ago, many enemies exist.

We have lunatic Erdogan in the north who wants to play Ottoman sultan, we have Israel in the west which once bombed our nuclear reactor, Iran in the east which is threatening everyone and thus involves Iraq in its policy. There's the Saudis with a massive air force. Would you choose to enable yourself to enforce airspace control if you were in that situation?

Also it's actually good for Iran if Iraq equips itself with S-400, Saudi Arabia and Israel would not be able to use the airspace to reach Iran in case any such scenario occurs.

 

[CG96]

Any update on the batch of F16s coming in? Best guess they all won't come in until Suwayra Air base is finished

 

[Philip the Arab]

Any update on the batch of F16s coming in? Best guess they all won't come in until Suwayra Air base is finished

@CamelGuy and @Malik Alashter will know the most information about this.