The Impact of Rafale & S400 induction into Indo/pak Theatre

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

And you think Pakistan is sitting idle and not preparing to deal this kind of threat.

And you think Pakistan will not deploy ASAT, PL-15 & PL-21D etc. in future. Crossing Pakistani air defense will also be hell for India too.

The AESA radar of JFT will allow it to use PL-15/21D up to 170km against your MKIs now do your math about Rafael, also PA want latest Pantsir with another LR SAM.

It's easier said then done.

Just check-out ASELSAN KORAL EW system!!! It was deployed after the Russian aircraft shooting debacle!!! Let them just turn the signals of S-400 ON, and leave the rest to KORAL to generate the phantom images....

By the by, the Russians didn't turn their S-400 ON in Syria during the debacle!!! After the collapse of the USSR, thanks to Presidents Turgut Ozal (an electrical engineering graduate from the Istanbul Technical University) and Suleyman Demirel (a civil engineering graduate from ITU), the Soviet scientists, especially from the Turkic republics, working in defense related electromagnetics/optics/opto-electronics/microwaves etc. fields were aggressively recruited for the top Turkish universities including my alma mater!!! I have to admit they're the toughest and most ruthless professors with almost no inclination for niceties I have ever met!!! They were amazingly meritorious and knowledgeable with a mindset of the "out of the box" thought processes!!! This observation is based on the couple of their conferences I attended. And, they trained a lot of the Turkish students....

What a moronic reply


@Horus topics shud not be allowed on presumed acquisitions which are likely not to materialize... kindly close the thread or limit it to rafael only

Why are you worried about S-400!!! No disease is without it's medicine...

 

[Crixus]

S-400 going to be integrated with green pines and swordfish most probably with AWACS ....... so it will be a part of very complex web of radars and bottom line it’s a defensive weapon not a offensive weapon so it not gonna hurt anyone until someone tries to attack.....

Just check-out ASELSAN KORAL EW system!!! It was deployed after the Russian aircraft shooting debacle!!! Let them just turn the signals of S-400 ON, and leave the rest to KORAL to generate the phantom images....

Why are you worried about S-400!!! No disease is without it's medicine...

 

[Path-Finder]

Yea we will see how these purchases make india too strong.

 

[New World]

S400 deal means India can create a 400km no fly zone along the westrn border . Never mind PAF shortlegged fighters even the AWACS they have can be shot down by S400 potentially from 300km

The Rafale is easily the most advanced fighter to ever arrive in our sub continent

Tiny RCS compared all current fighters in indo pak theatre
RBE2 aesa radars
Meteore ram jet missles have a NEZ of three times the amraam c5 & R27 or sd10a
The Rafale can carry 3 600km land attack cruise missles called scalp

The biggest advantage is the low maintenance and high turn round times

Survivabilkity in a thick hostile networked environment geared to fighting in west it will breeze through the big open south Asian skys that have relatively minor ew and sam systems at present

TO DATE the Pakistanis have no real effort to answer this $14 billion headache

bhai jan, s-400s range is 400 km that does not mean that you can please s-400 batteries on wagah border so that they can shoot down Pakistani fighters..

S-400 will be placed 400 km away from border so that any fighter from Pakistan crosses border should be shoot down and S-400 should remain safe from any counter attack via air launched missiles or ground launch missiles..

 

[Mrc]

They will not get s 400 ... patriot pac 3 will be shoved down their tears soon...

They will be brought to US camp irreversibly

 

[Pakistani Aircraft]

These Two huge Deals WILL TRANSFORM indian air defense fromm where it sits today.

The 2 deals combined are costing a staggering $14 billion dollars but for this money INDIA will gain a HUGE advantage in a operational capability which Pakistan in particular may not be able to counter for some considerable time even longer than a full decade

https://swarajyamag.com/defence/und...jet-and-s-400-missile-system-deals-on-the-iaf

Yes, like India thought Pakistan won't have Babur cruise missile that early on, miniaturise nukes into the Nasr missile system, submarine launched ballistic missiles, 8 submarines, AWACS, 100 JF-17 Thunder all with Russian engines and our own GNS SatNav system just to name a few things.

Pakistan is always prepared, always Plan B, always exploring.

 

[Crystal-Clear]

The Deal is Dead if India Says so OR IF russia refuses india,s $5 billion dollars

I think you get the MESSAGE …..

hmmm wait for the excuses your government is about to give .
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we saw what happen with iranian oil .

Listen to vedio carefully USA can waive sanctions IF in interests suit USA

and you think usa will let you buy russian systems over their own .
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as if ksa could buy s-400 .

 

[AyanRay]

Yes, like India thought Pakistan won't have Babur cruise missile that early on, miniaturise nukes into the Nasr missile system, submarine launched ballistic missiles, 8 submarines, AWACS, 100 JF-17 Thunder all with Russian engines and our own GNS SatNav system just to name a few things.

Pakistan is always prepared, always Plan B, always exploring.

When did the miniaturization of nukes happen? Akash missiles have capability to carry nuke warehead, does that mean we have miniaturized nukes too? Hell, even your Nasr is in testing phase, forget about the actual warehead. And from where did you get a SLBM? or a sattelite based navigation system? And yes buying dirt cheap Chinese fighter jets and submarines is indeed and achievement, congrats!

 

[Storm Force]

Pakistanis don't realise the clout the sixth largest gdp gives you especially when you happen to be the fastest growing economy in the world

 

[Quibbler]

S 400 is dead after us opposition or atleast delayed indefinitely

Listen we make a deal...

If u guys sign the deal we will come back to thread and discuss this to death ...

And if you don't sign a deal in say next 2 years .... we will come back and accept that u are now officially new US bitch....

Kaput??

Ok rich bitch

% OCT. Putin comming to India. This visit would have been put off if India was not signing the deal. Anyway 5 oct we will all know.

 

[baajey]

They will not get s 400 ... patriot pac 3 will be shoved down their tears soon...

They will be brought to US camp irreversibly

india is not pakistan, no offence.
we showed our resilience during our worst times, and now is "definitely" not among them.

 

[LASER1]

bhai jan, s-400s range is 400 km that does not mean that you can please s-400 batteries on wagah border so that they can shoot down Pakistani fighters..

S-400 will be placed 400 km away from border so that any fighter from Pakistan crosses border should be shoot down and S-400 should remain safe from any counter attack via air launched missiles or ground launch missiles..

S-400 is a Mobile system which can travel at 60Km/h and 25Km/h offroad. So, placing it on any part is a question of the situation at the border.

 

[Storm Force]

So India and Russia sign a 5.7 billion dollar deal to but S400 in July covered in all global news from Washington London Moscow to new Delhi and Peking.

USA a third party Says we might impose sanction
I repeat third party country
India explains politely this is happening trump don't embaress yourself we are buying this with our own Indian money.

The Pakistan guys close the thread it may not happen

Utter nonsense

Let's close thread of J31, and J10.and million other suppose Pakistan discussion you people claim too.

Your argument Mr c is pathetic

 

[Cookie Monster]

S400 deal means India can create a 400km no fly zone along the westrn border . Never mind PAF shortlegged fighters even the AWACS they have can be shot down by S400 potentially from 300km

Did u watch this on ur sensationalist news media yelling loudly how S400 can enforce a no flyzone over Pakistan? Or did u hear it from some chest thumping Indian on BharatRakshak who thinks India is a superpower?

Regardless...it will do u much good if u didn't blindly repeat what u heard and rather researched thoroughly before u speak.

First...India has a large landmass and the S400 regiments ur country is reportedly getting is nowhere close to covering the entirety of that large landmass. This means that S400(being an advanced air defense system) will be deployed in select key areas that ur strategists will pick.

Second...S400 system is expensive...u do not just simply deploy it near enemy border without risk. The closer it is to ur enemy's border, the easier it is for them to get to it and destroy it using various means.

Third...look at any country and see how they have deployed their air defense systems and it will become clear to u, how stupid it sounds that India would move its S400 along Pakistani border to enforce a no fly zone over Pak.

 

[Storm Force]

Did u watch this on ur sensationalist news media yelling loudly how S400 can enforce a no flyzone over Pakistan? Or did u hear it from some chest thumping Indian on BharatRakshak who thinks India is a superpower?

Regardless...it will do u much good if u didn't blindly repeat what u heard and rather researched thoroughly before u speak.

First...India has a large landmass and the S400 regiments ur country is reportedly getting is nowhere close to covering the entirety of that large landmass. This means that S400(being an advanced air defense system) will be deployed in select key areas that ur strategists will pick.

Second...S400 system is expensive...u do not just simply deploy it near enemy border without risk. The closer it is to ur enemy's border, the easier it is for them to get to it and destroy it using various means.

Third...look at any country and see how they have deployed their air defense systems and it will become clear to u, how stupid it sounds that India would move its S400 along Pakistani border to enforce a no fly zone over Pak.

Smart Alec it will be deployed as mobile units along strategic needs and scenario at the given time.

Your bafoon we are not trying to create a air dominance bubble over land mass of five times the size of Pakistan..

Your argument is childish.

The loc either side near key locations of military use is where they can be deployed

We aare not spunkibg over five billion dollars to have the protect remote villages

Think before you post