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It actually shows the problem with in Britain..sheltering world criminals and terrorists...

It is funny how the British do not act against people that are openly preaching hate in the UK like Anjem Choudary. They are at this very minute protecting him and his family in a safe house after a specifc threat was made against him.

Sometimes it makes you wonder if there is more to something than meets the eye:azn:
 
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What is this extremism?

I guess he ment that the US along with Europe had encouraged Muslims to go and fight the Soviets during the invasion of Afghanistan.

For me, I consider the invasion of Afghinstan a game-changing factor in the history of Pakistan, maybe @Aeronaut could support my claim :D
 
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Much has been written about Islam, its ethics, and its relationships with other religions. Despite this large volume of work, there appears to be something missing, something even more basic and important to people of all faiths. What is missing is a study of Islam with regard to governance, particularly regarding its relationship to what we call democracy. The goal of this series is to fill the gap by providing this investigation and presenting its findings.

Why choose this subject? Because, throughout the world, we receive starkly conflicting information about Islam. Apologists claim that Islam is a religion of peace. They also claim that our democratic traditions of religious tolerance require us to respect the freedom of Muslims to practice Islam. At the same time, we see Muslims practicing violent religious intolerance around the world. This intolerance is often against their non-Islamic neighbors, who range from Orthodox Russians to Sudanese Christians, Hindu Indians, Catholic Filipinos, and Buddhist Thais. Additionally, Muslims practice religious intolerance against each other. We hear of Sunni Muslims persecuting Shiite Muslims, Shiite Muslims persecuting Sunni Muslims, and Wahhabis persecuting everyone else.

Clearly, something is wrong with this picture. Yet many people fail to associate the violence committed by Muslims with Islam itself. They steadfastly seek alternative explanations, such as colonialism, tribal tensions, racism, and poverty. They refuse to even consider the idea that Islam may be inherently aggressive and intolerant toward other religions.

This self-deception cannot continue for long. Islam’s presence and influence is growing throughout the world, and it demands our attention. For example, Nigeria’s northern states announced their conversion to Islamic Law in 2002 by sentencing several women to death by stoning for adultery. In 2006, the entire nation of Denmark was terrorized by Muslims around the world because a mid-sized, independent Danish newspaper published some political cartoons of Muhammad.

An ever-growing cascade of violence tells us that we are approaching a time when we will have no choice but to confront two disturbing possibilities:

Islam is fundamentally incompatible with democracy as we know it, because it opposes the individual freedoms and protections that citizens of democracies cherish.
Muslims are in the process of using our own democratic institutions to subvert democracy and to replace democratically determined law with Islamic Law.
Before you dismiss these words as bigotry, please allow me to explain:

In the United States, we have embraced notions of tolerance and freedom that may be described as “live and let live.” Applied to religion, “live and let live” means that no one has the right to force their beliefs on others; nor may they prevent others from changing their beliefs. While Americans may not always live up to the ideals of Free Democracy, we aspire to them, and use our freedoms to correct ourselves as we progress.

Tolerance and freedom are essential parts of what we call democracy, which political theorists usually call Liberal Democracy or Western Democracy. In Dare to Speak, this form of democracy is called Free Democracy.

Religious tolerance is an essential principle we live by in the United States and throughout the Westernized world. This principle has evolved from centuries of futile religious battles that caused us to violate the very beliefs we claimed to fight for. It was codified in complete form by the Constitution of the United States, which has been an example and a beacon of hope for nations around the world. While these nations have created constitutions of their own, to serve their particular circumstances, the U.S. Constitution has remained a guiding reference for progressive thinkers everywhere. Why? Because it exemplifies a framework for governance that grants unprecedented powers and freedoms to its citizens.

In contrast, there is a part of the world where Free Democracy has not flourished, and its freedoms are not valued. Free Democracy did not evolve there, and we are discovering that it does not grow there, despite a variety of working examples in other parts of the world. This infertile soil is the House of Islam.

Why has the form of democracy we cherish, which I call Free Democracy, failed to take root and grow in the Islamic world? Because Islam ties religion and politics together in a Gordian knot. Islam has its own body of laws, known as Shari’ah [1], and these laws sharply oppose Free Democracy. Islam and Free Democracy are as opposed to each other as Communism and Free Democracy, or Fascism and Free Democracy.

Many people refuse to consider the possibility that Islam and Free Democracy are irreconcilably opposed to each other. After all, the benefits of Free Democracy are obvious, and many Islamic nations have worked diligently to adopt it. Unfortunately, the fruits of these efforts confirm that Islam and Free Democracy do not mix. Islamic nations like Turkey, Egypt, and Algeria have histories of secular governments, but those governments have uneasy relationships with their citizens. These nations have often found themselves resorting to warlike tactics against Islamic fundamentalists to preserve themselves. In Iran, Islam’s mullahs won such a war and now use their authority to thwart the superficially democratic institutions they control.

What makes Islam different from other religions? Why is it hostile to Free Democracy? To put it plainly, it does not believe in “live and let live.” Devout Muslims do not feel obligated to convince others to convert to Islam through reason. Instead, the Koran[2] encourages them to use persecution. According to the Koran, people of other faiths are allowed to continue in their practices only if they acknowledge that Islam is a superior religion and pay extortion money to an Islamic government in the form of special taxes[3]. This exception, which is extolled by Muslims as an example of tolerance, is actually designed to grind down other religions to nothing over time. To people who are weak, or young in their faiths, this persecution raises a question: “Why pay extra taxes, and accept an inferior position in society, when all I have to do is convert to Islam?”

In a sense, these mercenary conversions are a saving grace. There are many Muslims in the world who are Muslim in name only. They know that if they left Islam, their Apostasy[4] would be considered a crime punishable by death. They are prisoners of their faith instead of believers. Therefore, the apparent strength of Islam can be deceptive, and many nominal Muslims are far more benevolent than Islam calls them to be.

Many of us in the West grew up ignorant of Islam. Therefore, with few experiences to contradict our democracy-inspired beliefs, which seek to accommodate different religions, many people came to view the world’s religions as merely different paths to the same goal. For people who still believe this, the words of this series will come as a shock, because they reveal that Islam violates this assumption. to Speak will show that Islam is overtly hostile toward other religions. More importantly, it will show that Islam is overtly hostile to non-Islamic governments.

This series will also uncover the subterranean war that Muslims are currently waging against the world’s Free Democracies. It will lay out the issues, provide references to back them up, and begin a discussion on the actions that Westerners can take to preserve Free Democracy for future generations.

This series quotes extensively from the Koran (a compilation of recitations claimed by Muhammad to come from Allah) and the Hadith (compilations of Muhammad’s other words and actions), as well as recent news articles and modern religious books written by Muslims. It does so to demonstrate two key points:

The portions of Islamic holy scripture that carry disturbing messages are not merely stray quotes in otherwise benign books. They are essential components of Islam, and the Koran and the Hadith emphasize them repeatedly. Faithful Muslims take these messages seriously and act on them.
The actions of Islamic terrorists around the world are not merely the products of a few deviant minds, or a few menacing groups, such as al Qaeda, but are the products of violent messages that flow from one eternal source: Islamic holy scripture.
This series will demonstrate that, as long as Islam is treated as a respectable religion, and not as a hostile political ideology bent on global domination, Islam will continue to expand and sow its seeds of terror throughout the world. If we allow this to happen, the nations that currently embrace Free Democracy may one day find themselves destitute and chaotic, with their democratic laws replaced by Islamic ones.

As you read this series, you will find many references embedded directly into the text rather than exiled to appendices or footnotes. This structure gives you direct access to the sources of Dare to Speak’s assertions, to help you view them easily and form your own conclusions.

If, after reading this series, you doubt its assertions, please do your own independent research. With vast resources and newspaper archives available on the Web and in libraries, your job will be easy and inexpensive. As a starting point, I highly recommend the University of Southern California’s “Compendium of Muslim Texts,” which provides on-line access to three translations of the Koran, plus a comprehensive compilation of hadiths, along with keyword search functions for all texts. You can find this site at USC.edu

Please do not dismiss or pre-judge the points this series makes if they disagree with what you want to believe. You have a duty, to yourself and to your family, to understand the issues we face, so that you can respond to them appropriately. Your actions may impact your children even more than yourself.

Before moving on to the first chapter, I would like to tell you why I call this series “Dare to Speak.” According to Islamic Law, these writings could easily be interpreted as insulting to Islam, and to Muhammad himself. The punishment for such insults, according to Shari’ah, is severe and can include death. Therefore, by writing to you, I am truly putting my life on the line. But this is why I feel I must speak: if fear was to silence me, it would already be too late; Islam would be in control of my life, and yours.

1. Also referred to as Sharia or Shariah.

2. The Koran, which is also spelled “Qu’ran” or “Quran,” is a compilation of the recitations of Muhammad, believed by Muslims to be literal words of Allah.

3. Jizyah, which is a per capita tax imposed on adult male non-Muslims living under Muslim rule.

4. The abandonment of one’s religion. While most religions frown upon Apostasy, Islam views it, in specific legal terms, as the greatest of all crimes that a Muslim can commit. It is a crime punishable by death.

 
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The ideology behind Lee Rigby's murder is profound and dangerous. Why don't we admit it?: Tony Blair launches a brave assault on Muslim extremism after Woolwich attack | Mail Online



Nice one Tony-Glad to see you've grown a pair at last! You may be a scumbag otherwise and has through your actions as PM offered the occasional excuse to the terrorists but you've finally got the problem sussed out..must have been all those years spent as the 'Middle Eastern envoy'..



first TONY et al bring home all those Talib@stard Mullahs and third world terrorists into UK.

all in the name of "national interest".

Those b@stard Mullahs and third world terrorists wreck havoc in third world countries.

all in the name of UK national interests.


This awful murder of a veteran is finally brought a message home.


B@stard Mullahs and third world terrorist are bad for UK.

OK.

Hang them high in Trafalgar Square.

This Enjum Choudhry should be the first one.

Then hang Altaf Mota Chor Bhatta Khor.

Doesn't matter if they are UK citizens or not.

They commit or aid in committing horrible crimes like this, they must be hanged after trial by UK military courts.


This is the only way to deal with this horrible terrorism.

Why f^^ck one religion or the other.

f^^ck these terrorists and Talib@stards.


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We know what the problem is , how did it develop and how it can be fixed . The Europeans at times have supported extremism within Muslim societies for their interests - most recently in Libya and now Syria .

It just doesn't look coming from a person who's country has a dark past and who himself is a murderer of millions of Iraqis and responsible for the state of that country which is messed up even today .

The problem within Muslims is a deep-rooted one with long and very complicated histories. Each and every Muslim nation has its unique history.

Colonial-minded morons like B-Liar should be the least of people's concerns. Why do people even give any hoot about that guy anyway?

All that is left is for Muslim nations is to politically and socially mature more so that they are sustainable and progressive on every front. External interference only hinder that process.

Iran is a perfect example. Did the CIA-MI:6 sponsored coup achieve anything in the long term? The results today show for themselves.
 
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Cocooned in Lies
by Ali Sina : Jun 16, 2001
“The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.” - Bertrand Russell



In every religion there is something good, something bad and something terribly ugly. The good is what is being preached, the bad is what is being practiced and the ugly is the outcome.

All religions preach honesty, modesty, detachment, kindness, justice and other virtues. These are of course our own spiritual heritage. We humans aspire to evolve spiritually and are attracted towards these qualities. Even those societies that have had no religion at all (in Americas and the Far East) have upheld these qualities. The societies that did not have the tradition of receiving messengers from an invisible god were not worse than those who had them.

But what religions practice is not what they preach. Unfortunately, even the very founders of some of the religions often fail to live an ethical life. The Bible is full of stories of atrocities of Moses, his killings of innocent people all sanctioned by his unfair god. We know very little of Jesus. The Gospels were written 30 to 60 years after his death and cannot be relied as authentic. Yet there are indications in the New Testament that show if he had power, he would probably be as unfair as his predecessor (see `Luk 10:12,13 , 19:27 and Rev 2:22, 23 ) However we do have a lot of stories recorded from Muhammad. Many of them are considered authentic (Sahih) that can give us a good glimpse into the mind of the man who claimed to be the prophet and the mercy of God to mankind. Yet the picture we get from this last prophet is anything but holy.

He massacred and exterminated all the Jews from Arabia and instigated hatred between his followers and the Jews that has lasted for over 1400 years and has cost millions of lives. Prior to him Arabs and Jews lived in harmony and were allies.

He sent assassins to kill his critics in the middle of the night, who committed no other crime than composing poetries ridiculing his holiness, even if they where old or mothers of several infants. (*)

He raped Jewish girls 40 years younger than him whom he captured in his raids in the same day that he killed their loved ones and their relatives.

He enriched himself by looting caravans, killing the men, usurping their properties and SELLING their wives and daughters as slaves.

After his affluent wife Khadija died and after he enriched himself with spoils of his wars on defenseless people, he invaded the boundaries of decency and performed sex with twenty women, some only 9 years old, some he married, some he captured in wars, some were his slaves and maid servants and some just “offered” themselves to him. He did even lust after the beautiful wife of his own adopted son.

Muhammad founded a religion that has brought nothing but hatred and discord between his followers (among themselves) and his followers and the rest of mankind. So much war, so many killings that took place in the name of Islam and are taking place still in various corners of the world.

He heralded a misogynistic religion that has undermined the rights of women and subjected them to mistreatment and abuse. Contrary to the claims of the Islamic apologists Islam has actually took away the rights of women and women in Arabia were better off before Islam than after Islam. This is of course much more true in the case of other today’s Islamic countries like Iran where in the life time of Muhammad a Queen reigned.

As I write these notes, a couple of Muslims are being prosecuted for blowing the Pan Am flight killing 280 innocent people and ruining the lives of 280 families. While the accused deny the charges and blame the Palestinians for this cowardice attack, we have to question ourselves, where these Islamic terrorist, that are now burgeoning from Philippines to Timor, from Indonesia to Afghanistan, from Iran to Libya, from Canada to US, got their inspiration to kill? Do you think that Islam has nothing to do with that? There are many verses of Quran that encourage the believers to kill the non-believers. In Islam the end justifies the means.

Modernist Muslims prefer to live in denial than come to terms with the fact that Quran is responsible for all these atrocities perpetrated by Muslims. They call for peace, tolerance and freedom of speech. They condemn the extremists and the fundamentalists for misinterpreting Quran. Yet they are the ones who are misinterpreting it, and are not willing to let go the book that promotes war, hatred and suffocation of thoughts.

It is time that we questioned ourselves, when we accept Islam as a legitimate religion, aren’t we promoting a doctrine that rears terrorists? What we THINK Islam is, is irrelevant, what we WANT Islam to be is inconsequential. What Islam REALLY is matters.

Islam is not a religion that promotes peace. It orders its believers to kill all those who do not accept its dogma, without mercy. It instructs its followers to subdue the Christians and the Jews and make them pay Jizyah (penalty tax).

Islam is not a religion that promotes equality of genders. Muhammad said women are “deficient in intelligence”, that majority of them go to hell because they are disobedient to their husbands, that they should be beaten if they fail to please their husbands.

Islam is not a religion that promotes equality for all humanity. It clearly regards the non-Muslims as second-class citizens and for those who are not either Jews or Christians it prescribes death. It also allows slavery.

Islam is not a religion that promotes freedom of thought and speech. It curtails the right of all the non-Muslims to teach their religion, to congregate and to celebrate their belief. It instructs killing all those who decide to break rank and think freely and independently.

If what I write offends you, it is not because there is anything offensive in my writings. It is because we Muslims have been cocooned in lies for so long that now the light of truth is blinding us. Religion is compared to opium and we are so much intoxicated by it that any attempt to wean us from it will be faced with hostility and anger.

I am not attacking or insulting my fellow Muslim brothers and sisters. They are in my blood and I am in theirs. I am trying to wake them up, to shake them up, to bring them to their senses and show them the hidden and dark side of Islam. I don’t do that because I want to hurt them, I do that because I love them. Because our peace and security, our prosperity and happiness, our unity and integration with the rest of our brothers and sisters in humanity cannot be achieved as long as we are cocooned in the lies of Islam and shackled in hate towards those who do not agree with us..

My writings are my gift of love to my fellow human beings. I do not profit from them nor I seek fame thereof. On the contrary I am being hated by the majority of my Muslim readers and if found I will be put to death. I am not a sadist and tormenting others does not give me pleasure. I feel the pain of every suffering person. I cry like a child when I see the atrocities that some of us inflict on the rest of us. I am at lost when I see the apathy and indifference of some for the misfortunes of others. I am a human, part of humanity, feeling the pain of humanity. It is our responsibility to make each other see the truth. No one will do that for us; no one can do that for us; and no one should do that for us.

I earnestly invite you to study the Quran and question it. Read this book and think with open mind. If you think I am mistaken, show me; I am open to change. Otherwise please join me in this spiritual undertaking. Let us wake up our brothers and sisters. Let us not look down at the unbelievers with disdain. Let us quench this hate that is burning in our hearts. Let us embrace all humanity as our kin. Let us demolish the walls that have separated us from the rest of mankind. Let us descend from this pedestal of self-righteousness. Let us regard women as equal, Let us forget what Muhammad said and listen to the voice of reason. And let us love humanity above any doctrine or deity.
 
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Islam is Islam.

It has not changed by a cent since it was revealed.

The problem is not in Islam, but how people understand Islam.

There is no problem with the Muslims nor with Islam but there is a growing problem within Islam, which is the point Tony is making..

As reprehensible as his actions were as PM, not least his role in the illegal invasion of Iraq, TB is merely raising concerns that politicians of all hues express in private (see the conservative response to the article) but find difficult to articulate in public for the risk of being branded 'racist'. The fact that he is no longer in front line politics makes it easier for TB to act as an attack dog for Labour on such issues where they have traditionally been viewed as too soft and complicit..

Moreover, he is probably speaking from his recent experience of the role of radical Islam in fuelling conflict in the ME during his stint as special envoy to the region...
 
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Radicalization of Islam and intolerance among Muslims is the problem and none other than Muslims themselves can address it
 
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Nope,they don't talk about that,these guys are the first to talk with pride off the age when islam was expanding ,conquering left and right,you see them defending the ottoman empire and how it was the pride of the muslim world.
When it comes to western expansionism they turn into crying little girls bitching about "the evil imperialists",bu hu hu everywhere,tears flow like rivers.Bunch of hypocrites,that's what they are,for them fault is with the one blasted into 1000 pieces,not with the one doing the blasting.

Oh please do enlighten us on this version of history.
You mind sharing how many innocent lives were taken during the expansion of ottoman empire?
how many civilians were killed, any record of the war crimes?
Did they CAS on civilians?
 
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Radicalization of Islam and intolerance among Muslims is the problem and none other than Muslims themselves can address it


When Tamils committed horrible crimes in sri Lanka,

Did Sri Lankans get down to study Christianity and Hinduism of Tamils?

Heck no.

They shot those SOB Tamil terrorists and brought peace to their countries.

Anyone committing these horrible murders in UK should be shot after UK military court trials.

Talking about Islam or Christianity or Hinduism is just wast of time, and childish discussion.


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The problem within Muslims is a deep-rooted one with long and very complicated histories. Each and every Muslim nation has its unique history.

Colonial-minded morons like B-Liar should be the least of people's concerns. Why do people even give any hoot about that guy anyway?

All that is left is for Muslim nations is to politically and socially mature more so that they are sustainable and progressive on every front. External interference only hinder that process.

Iran is a perfect example. Did the CIA-MI:6 sponsored coup achieve anything in the long term? The results today show for themselves.

True . Not for the faint of heart or the emotional one though .

Precisely , he has got no right to criticize a whole religion over the actions of a few specially when their history is dark and filled with state-sponsored terrorism in the world . Tony Blair must remember that ' long gone are the days when the sun didn't set in the British empire ' , they are limited to an Island now .

Indeed , be dependent on themselves , maintain their neutral foreign policy . Work for the welfare of their people and try and stop this petrodollar backed ghost of extremism , not to mention ' be tolerant and ensure freedom of things ' .

Tehran is a fine example , agreed . Still surviving , right ?
 
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Tony blair should have thought about his acts while he was in office. It is due his policies UK is in this state, his policies allowed every tom dick and harry with fanatic agenda to get in UK. And its there problem that UKBA is sitting on its a$$. The guy was on mi5 list, his brother was already working with mi6 so how could he slip away like this.
Mr.blair think about your own country which is going to a pothole because of all that tax fraud and benefits claim.....
Talk about what you moarns EDL did to mosques.
Think about how Great Britain became the Great
 
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