The Haqqani Test: If Pakistan Fails It There Must Be Consequences.

[Irfan Baloch]

There is much more than that going on behind the scenes too. Let's see what unfolds.

weekend is upon us

I rather spend time in checking out the pictures of some amazing steaks and learn the secret of making a Succulent and juicy stake and the sauces that has all the right flavours and is a delight from the first bite to the last

This story will be as anticlimactic as one can get. No amount of heavy wording and bold fonts would make us care about what haqqani and his associates think and want.
He can spend his time in PM for the foreseeable future or go back to Boston university and bully the students there.

 

[Solomon2]

Not very accurate portrayal of what's going on. Since when has the Pakistani Supreme court been under the orders of the military?

Since the S.C. repeatedly endorsed the Doctrine of Necessity to legitimize military coups and the like.

 

[VCheng]

weekend is upon us

I rather spend time in checking out the pictures of some amazing steaks and learn the secret of making a Succulent and juicy stake and the sauces that has all the right flavours and is a delight from the first bite to the last

This story will be as anticlimactic as one can get. No amount of heavy wording and bold fonts would make us care about what haqqani and his associates think and want.
He can spend his time in PM for the foreseeable future or go back to Boston university and bully the students there.

Memogate will fizzle out soon enough, I agree.

For steaks, the key is to use good cuts, use only salt and black pepper with no marination, and use a high heat flame. Simple.

Please be my guest; I promise you a good conversation over a nicely done steak!

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Since the S.C. repeatedly endorsed the Doctrine of Necessity to legitimize military coups and the like.

good point

an average Pakistani is more worried about the challenges of the daily life.
as far as I am concerned...
"wake me up when September ends"

 

[Solomon2]

an average Pakistani is more worried about the challenges of the daily life.
as far as I am concerned...
"wake me up when September ends"

That's part of the problem, isn't it? If you don't work to shape politics you're allowing others to shape them for you, yes? Why shouldn't they keep piling on challenge after challenge if you stay willing to bear the burden?

 

[iajj]

Since the S.C. repeatedly endorsed the Doctrine of Necessity to legitimize military coups and the like.

the constitutional status of such a doctrine of necessity is an invention of western jurisprudence and asians only took it from the white people (and have since exercised it more sparingly than europeans and americans). since the white people invented it, i assume it must be because they wanted to make use of it - think of the bushes and cheneys and obamas.

in fact, it is the very sign of sovereign life that the sovereign can write a constitution with explicit provision of a state of necessity or emergency. a sovereign that cannot authorize the use of doctrine of necessity is not a sovereign at all. if one respects pakistani sovereignty, she needs to do so, of course, in times of normalcy but above all she must do so at a time when the nation chooses to act out of necessity. the american pretense that it will respect pakistani sovereignty but only if the latter doesn't exercise its most significant and originary sovereign power is such a judicial fallacy that i assume only those who are inadequately trained for military and technical skills in the US' war machine and subsequently relegated to internet propaganda jobs would dare to make this argument.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

That's part of the problem, isn't it? If you don't work to shape politics you're allowing others to shape them for you, yes? Why shouldn't they keep piling on challenge after challenge if you stay willing to bear the burden?

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sorry what does the attack from an ally got to do with shaping our politics?

 

[Bratva]

That's part of the problem, isn't it? If you don't work to shape politics you're allowing others to shape them for you, yes? Why shouldn't they keep piling on challenge after challenge if you stay willing to bear the burden?

So let me get this straight...this thread topic is of importance to Americans for what reasons, exactly?

 

[VCheng]

So let me get this straight...this thread topic is of importance to Americans for what reasons, exactly?

Could it be the same reason what happens in Afghanistan is of interest to Pakistanis, just possibly, may be?

 

[Edevelop]

That's part of the problem, isn't it? If you don't work to shape politics you're allowing others to shape them for you, yes? Why shouldn't they keep piling on challenge after challenge if you stay willing to bear the burden?

We never fail in anything that has our interests. In fact, we have given more lives in war on terror than you.

 

[Bratva]

Could it be the same reason what happens in Afghanistan is of interest to Pakistanis, just possibly, may be?

But i fail to understand A purely sub judicial matter and americans showing interest in it? At least Pakistanis have not shown such enthusiasm on matters which are sub judicial in Afghanistan and never have writter such zealously like what OP shared writer has written or the way Solomon2 is discussing a sub judicial matter so what's the interest of Americans in poking sarcistically or forcefully in sub judicial matters?

 

[VCheng]

But i fail to understand A purely sun judicial matter and americans showing interest in it? At least Pakistanis have not shown such enthusiasm on matters which are sub judicial in Afghanistan and never have writter such zealously like what OP shared writer has written or what Solomon2 is trying to discuss is again the sub judicial matter so what's the interest of Americans in poking sarcistically or forcefully in sub judicial matters?

If you note US statements, they support a fair and impartial judicial process in the case being discussed here.

 

[Bratva]

If you note US statements, they support a fair and impartial judicial process in the case being discussed here.

We are giving a fair trial to Hussain Haqqani, these are the same judges whose being loathed by every corrupt corners of government, Army is behaving properly not enforcing its view on Judiciary and also Government is cooperating somewhat and the main thing is whole trial is open to media which nullify the chance that any human right mishap occur to HH.

Just Like Aafia Siddiqi trail was done in a fair process and full chance was given to her to defend her self but in the end all had to accept the verdict. So i fail to see why Americans are creating a environment that if verdict is given against HH, Human right groups and American government will apply pressure like hell?

 

[VCheng]

................... So i fail to see why Americans are creating a environment that if verdict is given against HH, Human right groups and American government will apply pressure like hell?

Why blame USA? It could be forces from within Pakistan that are creating this impression to save their own skins!

 

[iajj]

If you note US statements, they support a fair and impartial judicial process in the case being discussed here.

don't bs us about american interest in processes - the wording barely masked its preference of a specific result. us made similar statements about fair processes before the honduran elections merely to provide a political cover for a military junta not recognized elsewhere in latin america.

and it all comes down to the simple fact that the high justices in pakistan can tolerate no higher judge of fairness and impartiality of their deliberation and dispensing of justice without abetting some foreign country in undercutting their nation's sovereignty and dignity