The Great Game Changer: Belt and Road Intiative (BRI; OBOR)

[Beidou2020]

Base on your response,
I don't need to read up on anything to know the answer

yea India orbited Mars all by itself without any support from NASA.

 

[Luca1]

yea India orbited Mars all by itself without any support from NASA.

I bet this is what most Indians believe?

 

[Beidou2020]

I bet this is what most Indians believe?

Yup

 

[Krate M]

Only thing the Chinese posters are jealous of NASA ISRO collaboration. We all know of the DSN support we got from international community, that part was clearly mentioned in the news. Why so angry at it?

 

[Beidou2020]

Only thing the Chinese posters are jealous of NASA ISRO collaboration. We all know of the DSN support we got from international community, that part was clearly mentioned in the news. Why so angry at it?

Who is angry?

We just want some honesty.

Chinese media, government and even PDF members congratulated India.

 

[Krate M]

Are any of the Chinese posters making any other point than saying you guys got NASA help your program not that good?
Every Indian poster is saying yes we know and no that doesn't take anything away from our program. We achieved a lot from the program, all the inane marketing blabber has been to get maximum mileage out of it in terms of getting more people interested in our space program. That was not for you guys. So why are we still discussing a one liner by PM Modi?
That guy is a master of marketing and hype, but he knows how to use the hype and marketing. Unless you guys have been taken by it too.

 

[kurup]

Who is angry?

We just want some honesty.

Chinese media, government and even PDF members congratulated India.

What honesty ??

Chinese still like to believe their lunar mission was their own effort .

While it is clear that mission was a joint effort with ESA .

Your launch vehicles were designed with help of USA .

Your manned mission in which the crew capsule and even space suits were direct soviet copies with technology provided by Russian .

Honesty my @ss .

 

[Raphael]

Why Russia And China See Eye-To-Eye On Cyber Security

MOSCOW — During President Vladimir Putin's visit to Beijing next month, he is expected to seal a bilateral agreement on cyber-security between Russia and China, according to a source close to the Kremlin and confirmed by two other federal officials. They say presidential advisor Igor Shchyogolev is overseeing the document's final draft, but the final text is not yet available.

Putin and Chinese leader Xi Jinping are also expected to make their first joint announcement about cyber-security, which Kommersant sources say will be substantially broader than last year's agreement between Russia and the United States.

In 2013, Putin and Barack Obama signed the first-ever bilateral agreement on measures of trust in cyberspace, almost like an electronic "non-aggression pact." Included as part of this agreement was the creation of a direct hotline from Washington to Moscow meant to prevent the escalation of cyber incidents, much like the Cold War hotline designed to prevent nuclear war. The agreement also created channels for bilateral exchange of information related to national cyber-security and preparedness. These channels were created during the preparations for the Winter Olympics in Sochi.

Russia had hoped to reinforce its relationship with the United States in this arena, with a special working group envisioned to continue working on online security. But because of the events in Ukraine, Washington halted its participation in the working group, although the agreement (including the hotline) continues to be in force.

Instead, Russia and China are now busy forging a new partnership on cyber-security. According to Valeria Yashchenko, vice director of the Institute of Cyber Security at Moscow State University, "a bilateral agreement between Russia and China — two major cyber powers — is long overdue."

When asked if the two sides might be trying to protect themselves in case of potential conflict (as was the case in the agreement with the U.S., which was reminiscent of nuclear-arms agreements), Yashchenko says, "Not necessarily. Moscow and Beijing just want to work together."

Protecting sovereignty, hunting terrorists

Russia and China certainly have more in common when it comes to cyber-security and Internet management than either country has in common with the United States. This was clear in a recent announcement regarding the Russian-Chinese interagency consultation on international information security. That document clarified that both sides would act against the use of information technology "for the use of interfering in the internal affairs of a country; to undermine the sovereignty or the political, economic or social stability of a country; to disrupt the peace, as propaganda for terrorism, extremism or separatism; to incite inter-ethnic or inter-religious hate or for the use of any criminal or terrorist goals."

Xi and Putin last year. Photo: Kremlin

The document also said that both countries support the "internationalization" of Internet management, which would entail a weakening of the American role in web oversight. Both China and Russia also favor the "sovereign right" of a government to control Internet sites in "its own national segment." The United States, instead, does not recognize the existence of "national segments."

Collaboration between China and Russia in IT and communications has increased in very concrete ways over the past several months. In May, the Russian state telecom company signed a $60 million contract with Chinese company Huawei to build an underwater communication line in the Russian Far East.

In August, the head of the Russian Ministry of Communications reached an agreement with his Chinese counterpart to increase exports of Russian software to China, as well as imports into Russia of servers made by China's largest server manufacturer, Inspur Group. The technology will be used by the Russian government to work on systems related to the production of passports and managing elections, among other uses.

At the same time, the partnership between China and the United States on Internet issues seems to be stuck. "The United State's incorrect position does not permit us to renew the Sino-American talks on this subject," former Chinese foreign minister and State Council member Yang Jiechi said during a recent visit to Washington. Yang was referring to Washington's accusations that China is involved in industrial and governmental cyber espionage.

 

[Aepsilons]

@SvenSvensonov , you know what this means. United States and Japan should expect greater cyber security threats. Time to double our efforts....


Cyber Attacks Likely to Increase | Pew Research Center's Internet & American Life Project

http://thediplomat.com/2014/10/u-s-japan-defense-industry-cyber-cooperation/

 

[SvenSvensonov]

@SvenSvensonov , you know what this means. United States and Japan should expect greater cyber security threats. Time to double our efforts....


Cyber Attacks Likely to Increase | Pew Research Center's Internet & American Life Project

http://thediplomat.com/2014/10/u-s-japan-defense-industry-cyber-cooperation/

I doubt too much will come from this agreement. Russia and China also spy on each other, and each other's defense industries. We always have to be vigilant, but no more that usual as these two nations may express their intent to cooperate, but the reality is they are still competitors in cyber land. Also China is seeking to limit the use of foreign software and I doubt they would welcome more Russian gear after they banned their government from using Kaspersky Labs Anti-Virus. Too much being made about nothing in my opinion. But while Russia and China may express an interest in cooperating, Japan, the US, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the UK are already cooperating at an unprecedented level. I won't lose any sleep over this announcement.

 

[mike2000]

I doubt too much will come from this agreement. Russia and China also spy on each other, and each other's defense industries. We always have to be vigilant, but no more that usual as these two nations may express their intent to cooperate, but the reality is they are still competitors in cyber land. Also China is seeking to limit the use of foreign software and I doubt they would welcome more Russian gear after they banned their government from using Kaspersky Labs Anti-Virus. Too much being made about nothing in my opinion. But while Russia and China may express an interest in cooperating, Japan, the US, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the UK are already cooperating at an unprecedented level. I won't lose any sleep over this announcement.

I agree completely with you on this. This seems to be more of cheap talk(as usual) than a genuine aspiration to cooperate with each other. We,the U.S, Australia, Canada New Zealand(the 5 eyes) already have long working cooperation in such fields for years now. China and Russia talking of setting up one just now, is just to put pressure on the west/U.S to show they are getting along and so they can get some concessions from us. However, i dont expect much from this. Lets wait say 6 years from now(2020) and see the result of this. Im sure they will still be talking about cyber cooperation/security.lool They should keep talking the talk, while we walk the walk.

 

[TaiShang]

Russia had hoped to reinforce its relationship with the United States in this arena, with a special working group envisioned to continue working on online security. But because of the events in Ukraine, Washington halted its participation in the working group, although the agreement (including the hotline) continues to be in force.

Instead, Russia and China are now busy forging a new partnership on cyber-security. According to Valeria Yashchenko, vice director of the Institute of Cyber Security at Moscow State University, "a bilateral agreement between Russia and China — two major cyber powers — is long overdue."

That's a great deal right there for both nations. With the framework having been set, China and Russia can now work to institutionalize it by laying down an extensive action plan, including cooperation against US spying and other destabilizing activities against China and Russia. That's in fact, the crux of the agreement.

Russia's getting closer to the Eurasian bloc and moving away from the Atlantic bloc is a welcome development for China. Beijing will actively pursue on this agreement and will not let it die or get diluted. Beijing's diplomacy has done great on many issues in short time and with great efficiency, including the strategic steps taken in SCO and BRICS; there is no reason to doubt that it will fail on this. I expect this agreement to bear fruits in even a shorter span of time because it is directly related to both nations' national security.

Besides, it is good for Russia to kick out the remaining US presence in the country's cyber network and work with Huawei and the likes to upgrade Russia's network.

 

[Shishike]

without help from NASA
Indian rocket would be unable to lunch.

and the mars staff? it's built by international, only little part is Indians.

 

[Krate M]

without help from NASA
Indian rocket would be unable to lunch.

and the mars staff? it's built by international, only little part is Indians.

Kindly give some source for your esteemed quotes.

My dear fellow Indian posters,
It has become very clear to me that even though we don't see our space program as a competition to Chinese one, they do.
Hence all these attempts to try and denigrate the program by saying it would not have even "lunched" without American help, was designed and even built by them.
We have only gone slightly ahead that too in just one endeavor and look how much that has caused them to nitpick.
Bottom line: even if we don't see them as competition, they do. So we need to prepare ourselves.
Dear Chinese posters, your space program is quite advanced. Your rockets are more powerful and your human space exploration is quite advanced too. Did you see us say your taikonaut spacesuit was with Russian help or any other nitpicking? No we didn't. So please explain to me why does it bother you so much how we achieved what we achieved
Almost all space programs have been derived from the German rocket science. And the remaining programs have been copycat or using those German scientist. So even if we have been using the help of American and European space agency (which by the way we have not except for tracking our mission) How terrible is it?
And it is all as if the Chinese space program was completely de novo?
Are you kidding me?

 

[Shishike]

Kindly give some source for your esteemed quotes.

My dear fellow Indian posters,
It has become very clear to me that even though we don't see our space program as a competition to Chinese one, they do.
Hence all these attempts to try and denigrate the program by saying it would not have even "lunched" without American help, was designed and even built by them.
We have only gone slightly ahead that too in just one endeavor and look how much that has caused them to nitpick.
Bottom line: even if we don't see them as competition, they do. So we need to prepare ourselves.
Dear Chinese posters, your space program is quite advanced. Your rockets are more powerful and your human space exploration is quite advanced too. Did you see us say your taikonaut spacesuit was with Russian help or any other nitpicking? No we didn't.
Are you kidding me?

could you proof what i said is not real?