Guys let's clarify , in order to be tactical and keep terrorists pace, Armies use more tactical and oldmen's methods. For example patrolling with turboprop aircrafts.
Squad teams , artilleries etc. I think we all agree that hat cannot use cruise missiles against terrorist. I have just made up idea using Hitlers Zoo Towers. With FLak artillery and 20 mm rapidfire , the tower supressis 40 square km . If you add today's modern optic and sensor technology you will be able to police your homeland all seasons . Along the border line zoo towers should be build instead of fence.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoo_Tower
Land forces overlook long range Directfireartillery however naval forces still use on warships.
I would love to fire otobreda vulcano 127mm onto terroristic movements from border towers. Therefor we wouldn't need some bases beyond the borders.
Maybe it's time to turn back to WW1 coastal artilleries with concrete bunkers in order to isolate soldiers.
Anyway you will find it BS
The Kalekol concept already created is very good but to bad its implemented only in the areas where the attacks with the most casualties happened before so somebody could say "Look we serve our soldiers and the conditions are super". The base in Duhok is suitable both from terrain but also its level is strategical. Similar defenses with these but smaller and cheaper acting on the same principle can be integrated in the system including non lethal measures.
I disagree
This is a forward base all it will take is a pkk element with a gun within the crowd to kill few soldiers in riot gear
The TSK job should not include crowd control in such a hostile environment far from border ( outside country ) it's too risky
Not sure but no army has such doctrine
Any army posts in hostile areas should only focus on repelling attacks, containing and eliminating threats
I do agree that local authorities were inadequate , where were they as the crowd was being formed or was heading to base
Did the soldiers contact them
Most importantly why there was no coordination between the authorities and TSK in such sensitive location
Have you wondered why the commando brigades and SOF receive riot control training and courses? Its not only for assistance to the police on need but also to be ready to implement non lethal measures to a mass event like a crowd trying to enter an outpost, embassy, base. If in the crowd there is not an armed threat visible you simply don't shoot a lethal munition at the crowd other than warning shots. After any riot control team there is an overwatch personnel ready with lethal rounds.
US ARMY FIELD MANUAL FM 3-19.15
CIVIL
DISTURBANCE
OPERATIONS
CROWD DEVELOPMENT
1-7.
Crowds are a gathering of a multitude of individuals and small groups that have temporarily assembled in the same place. These small groups are usually comprised of friends, family members, or acquaintances that represent a group belief or cause. Individuals assume a sense of anonymity— they are viewed as just another face in the crowd. People in small groups are known only to companions in their group and to others in the gathering that have come from the same neighbor hood or community.
Commanders must consider how the individuals assembled and how they are interacting during the gathering process.
GATHERINGS
1-8.
The assembly process of a gathering refers to the movement of people from different locations to a common
location within a given period. This largely determines who participates. Creating a gathering from a crowd is a process with a beginning, middle, and end. As shown in Figure 1-1 a crowd has an assembly process that leads to the gathering of the crowd,
which is always followed by a dispersal process.
1-9.
Gatherings are often assisted by the activities of individuals or groups with a specific agenda, such as yelling catchy slogans and cheers that everyone can easily pick up and join in on. Some groups are so well organized that they can prestage leaders to infiltrate a gathering. This creates unity,even inciting newcomers to join their cause. The first phase of the gathering is the assembly process. It can occur in one of two ways—impromptu or organized.
STANDARDIZED POSTURES IN COMPANY TACTICAL STANDING OPERATING
PROCEDURES
2-2.
Within squads, platoons, and companies, equipment may be increased or decreased, as needed. Some examples are as follows:
Choose the M9 pistol for extraction and apprehension teams. The use of a long weapon (for example, an M16 with an M203, an M4 with an M203, or a 12-gauge shotgun) with NL (Non Lethal) munitions capability is also recommended, especially for overwatch personnel. Add nonstandard weapons such as shotguns for greater NL capabilities.
NOTE: The shotgun is used to protect the M203 gunner as he reloads. Add NL munitions to existing organic weapons systems, such as the M203. Arm soldiers in the front line of the formation with their standard weapon. If the weapon is a long weapon, it should be carried across the back from left to right or vice versa, with the butt up and muzzle down. Ensure that the weapon is cleared and that the magazine is in the appropriate ammunition pouch.
