The Extreme 996 Work Culture in China

[Metal 0-1]

 

[Song Hong]

CPC has voiced out strongly against 996.

 

[jamahir]

CPC has voiced out strongly against 996.

Voicing out will not suffice, enacting unambiguous law would.

"If you don't do it, someone will do it". This is also the threat that managements in Indian IT / ITES companies hold over the heads of employees who complain about mistreatment. And it is unfortunate that the employees themselves in the IT / ITES sectors don't organize into unions because they are mostly the newer middle class youth who devote time to cricket sport and mindless religo-nationalism. These employees become unquestioning robots / wage-slaves in mostly useless companies and neither protest their own mistreatment nor of their colleagues. India is a society of unnecessary high competition. How is China then different from India socio-economically through this modernized rural feudalism ?

But nice that Ming in the vid did rebel and left her deadening job. BTW Ming is pretty but she should put on weight and become voluptuous. Also, I felt sad for her cat who has to spend the day enclosed in the flat. Cats should be allowed to go out and enjoy. It is in their instinct to roam.

And about the desire in many Chinese middle class to become a socio-economic upper class they must understand that it is an obsolete artifact of the the thousands of years old but artificial money system and since China is governed by a movement that calls itself as the Communist Party of China the movement should speak of either finding a way of bringing about the desire of Communism to eliminate money or at least evolve the current money system ( like I have proposed in this thread ). Be really Communist instead of just in name.

@MilSpec, you should watch the vid and you can reply to this post.

@MH.Yang @beijingwalker

 

[Song Hong]

It is very difficult to regulate individuals desire to work hard. All IT workers work more than 996. A lot of companies including Huawei still find no better solutions to prevent internal decay other than rank and yank, resulting to "volunteer 996",

But speaking out against 996 will certainly discourage elites from exploiting domains that do not requires 996, and that job can be partition out to more workers, such as admin, logistic, nursing...etc

 

[Leishangthem]

Voicing out will not suffice, enacting unambiguous law would.

"If you don't do it, someone will do it". This is also the threat that managements in Indian IT / ITES companies hold over the heads of employees who complain about mistreatment. And it is unfortunate that the employees themselves in the IT / ITES sectors don't organize into unions because they are mostly the newer middle class youth who devote time to cricket sport and mindless religo-nationalism. These employees become unquestioning robots / wage-slaves in mostly useless companies and neither protest their own mistreatment nor of their colleagues. India is a society of unnecessary high competition. How is China then different from India socio-economically through this modernized rural feudalism ?

But nice that Ming in the vid did rebel and left her deadening job. BTW Ming is pretty but she should put on weight and become voluptuous. Also, I felt sad for her cat who has to spend the day enclosed in the flat. Cats should be allowed to go out and enjoy. It is in their instinct to roam.

And since China is governed by a movement that calls itself as the Communist Party of China the movement should speak of either finding a way of bringing about the desire of Communism to eliminate money or at least evolve the current money system ( like I have proposed in this thread ). Be really Communist instead of just in name.

@MilSpec, you should watch the vid and you can reply to this post.

@MH.Yang @beijingwalker

why are you, a man, asking about a woman to gain weight ? ¿

Regardless of anything ,it's Chinese culture to work hard ,much more than people from say, India,Africa and other parts of the world can comprehend,both in quality and quantity,it's as much of a genetic-cultural trait as a corporate practice.If they aren't working in office they will work in something else.
Vice report should be the last thing thing to consider so as to forment accurate opinion on any matter.

 

[Song Hong]

The Silicon valley startup works much harder than 996.

 

[Leishangthem]

The Silicon valley startup works much harder than 996.

VIce is a very subtle propaganda arm ,trying to create dissatisfaction,revolt in china and all the adversaries of US hegemony.

 

[MH.Yang]

Voicing out will not suffice, enacting unambiguous law would.

"If you don't do it, someone will do it". This is also the threat that managements in Indian IT / ITES companies hold over the heads of employees who complain about mistreatment. And it is unfortunate that the employees themselves in the IT / ITES sectors don't organize into unions because they are mostly the newer middle class youth who devote time to cricket sport and mindless religo-nationalism. These employees become unquestioning robots / wage-slaves in mostly useless companies and neither protest their own mistreatment nor of their colleagues. India is a society of unnecessary high competition. How is China then different from India socio-economically through this modernized rural feudalism ?

But nice that Ming in the vid did rebel and left her deadening job. BTW Ming is pretty but she should put on weight and become voluptuous. Also, I felt sad for her cat who has to spend the day enclosed in the flat. Cats should be allowed to go out and enjoy. It is in their instinct to roam.

And since China is governed by a movement that calls itself as the Communist Party of China the movement should speak of either finding a way of bringing about the desire of Communism to eliminate money or at least evolve the current money system ( like I have proposed in this thread ). Be really Communist instead of just in name.

@MilSpec, you should watch the vid and you can reply to this post.

@MH.Yang @beijingwalker

In 2017, I worked in Shenzhen Yingdali Technology Co., Ltd. as a salesperson. I'll answer this question

Let me tell you how Chinese technology companies force employees 996.
According to Chinese law, they leave work at 5 p.m, but you can volunteer to work overtime, and overtime must be paid.
Even with overtime pay, most Chinese don't like overtime.
But most Chinese technology companies will provide free dinner at 6 p.m., as shown in the figure below, so many employees will work overtime for an hour and go home after dinner.

Most Chinese technology companies offer free wash clothes ticket at 7 p.m., so, you know.
Most Chinese technology companies provide taxis at 8 p.m
Most Chinese technology companies offer double overtime pay at 9 p.m., so, you know.
...
It's 996 now. I go to work at 9 a.m. and get off at 9 p.m.

 

[Song Hong]

You wont be a top engineer even working 996. If you see the code check in time for Linus Torvald, it indicates he is working a longer hours than this.

 

[Falconless]

Imagine having the power to ban gaming beyond 3 hours a week but can only discourage 996, maybe the government doesn’t care about the people?

 

[Song Hong]

Imagine having the power to ban gaming beyond 3 hours a week but can only discourage 996, maybe the government doesn’t care about the people?

There wont be 996 janitor.

 

[jamahir]

All IT workers work more than 996.

I don't see why a massive and established company like AliBaba cannot have multiple teams for sales ( though this I think nowadays is done digitally ) and tech-support. These multiple teams can work in shifts thus reducing burden on the workers.

You wont be a top engineer even working 996. If you see the code check in time for Linus Torvald, it indicates he is working a longer hours than this.

When I was writing, testing and developing my simple operating system some years ago I too would spend long hours on it. A few times I didn't sleep for three straight days.

But this state will be until the initial design time. Even SpaceX people wouldn't have slept for long when they were developing the initial prototypes. But once some idea / company is established ( like AliBaba ) it is no longer necessary that the worker should go without sleep or do a 996. Besides, sleeping or taking time off by the designer or engineer will give them new ideas.

why are you, a man, asking about a woman to gain weight ? ¿

Because the woman, like pretty Ming in the documentary, will look ever lovelier. Flat belly, small and hard breasts, thin thighs and a general gaunt look take away the loveliness of a woman. So many women are so lovely but they become victim to the current atmosphere that "thin is in and hot". Unfortunate. This has to be reversed.

Regardless of anything ,it's Chinese culture to work hard ,much more than any Indian can comprehend ,both in quality and quantity

Don't be patronizing, dear sir. Besides, "working hard and superior quality and quantity Chinese" haven't been able to overtake Microsoft in OS usage and not been able to overtake the development in the space sector especially against SpaceX.

In 2017, I worked in Shenzhen Yingdali Technology Co., Ltd. as a salesperson. I'll answer this question

Let me tell you how Chinese technology companies force employees 996.
According to Chinese law, they leave work at 5 p.m, but you can volunteer to work overtime, and overtime must be paid.
Even with overtime pay, most Chinese don't like overtime.
But most Chinese technology companies will provide free dinner at 6 p.m., as shown in the figure below, so many employees will work overtime for an hour and go home after dinner.

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Most Chinese technology companies offer free laundry rolls at 7 p.m., so, you know.
Most Chinese technology companies provide taxis at 8 p.m
Most Chinese technology companies offer double overtime pay at 9 p.m., so, you know.
...
It's 996 now. I go to work at 9 a.m. and get off at 9 p.m.

1. Sorry I don't know what are laundry rolls.

2. About free dinners good that you said "most Chinese technology companies" because one girl in the documentary had dinner at home.

3. I don't think it's the question about overtime pay and I don't think the 996 workers really volunteer to work 996 and even after. The issue is what one of the women said in the documentary - "If you don't it, someone will do it". High competition for jobs in a society where money is very necessary for survival and moving up the socio-economic ladder.

 

[Song Hong]

I don't see why a massive and established company like AliBaba cannot have multiple teams for sales ( though this I think nowadays is done digitally ) and tech-support. These multiple teams can work in shifts thus reducing burden on the workers.



When I was writing, testing and developing my simple operating system some years ago I too would spend long hours on it. A few times I didn't sleep for three straight days.

But this state will be until the initial design time. Even SpaceX people wouldn't have slept for long when they were developing the initial prototypes. But once some idea / company is established ( like AliBaba ) it is no longer necessary that the worker should go without sleep or do a 996. Besides, sleeping or taking time off by the designer or engineer will give them new ideas.



Because the woman, like pretty Ming in the documentary, will look ever lovelier. Flat belly, small and hard breasts, thin thighs and a general gaunt look take away the loveliness of a woman. So many women are so lovely but they become victim to the current atmosphere that "thin is in and hot". Unfortunate. This has to be reversed.



Don't be patronizing, dear sir. Besides, "working hard and superior quality and quantity Chinese" haven't been able to overtake Microsoft in OS usage and not been able to overtake the development in the space sector especially against SpaceX.



1. Sorry I don't know what are laundry rolls.

2. About free dinners good that you said "most Chinese technology companies" because one girl in the documentary had dinner at home.

3. I don't think it's the question about overtime pay and I don't think the 996 workers really volunteer to work 996 and even after. The issue is what one of the women said in the documentary - "If you don't it, someone will do it". High competition for jobs in a society where money is very necessary for survival and moving up the socio-economic ladder.

The most lethal threat of IT industries is internal decay. It is a plague inflicted on everyone of them, including the ones in Silicon valley. Up to now, no one has a good way to solve it.

 

[MH.Yang]

I don't see why a massive and established company like AliBaba cannot have multiple teams for sales ( though this I think nowadays is done digitally ) and tech-support. These multiple teams can work in shifts thus reducing burden on the workers.



When I was writing, testing and developing my simple operating system some years ago I too would spend long hours on it. A few times I didn't sleep for three straight days.

But this state will be until the initial design time. Even SpaceX people wouldn't have slept for long when they were developing the initial prototypes. But once some idea / company is established ( like AliBaba ) it is no longer necessary that the worker should go without sleep or do a 996. Besides, sleeping or taking time off by the designer or engineer will give them new ideas.



Because the woman, like pretty Ming in the documentary, will look ever lovelier. Flat belly, small and hard breasts, thin thighs and a general gaunt look take away the loveliness of a woman. So many women are so lovely but they become victim to the current atmosphere that "thin is in and hot". Unfortunate. This has to be reversed.



Don't be patronizing, dear sir. Besides, "working hard and superior quality and quantity Chinese" haven't been able to overtake Microsoft in OS usage and not been able to overtake the development in the space sector especially against SpaceX.



1. Sorry I don't know what are laundry rolls.

2. About free dinners good that you said "most Chinese technology companies" because one girl in the documentary had dinner at home.

3. I don't think it's the question about overtime pay and I don't think the 996 workers really volunteer to work 996 and even after. The issue is what one of the women said in the documentary - "If you don't it, someone will do it". High competition for jobs in a society where money is very necessary for survival and moving up the socio-economic ladder.

Yes, the biggest reason is that everyone works overtime. It's too conspicuous to leave on time. I'm not afraid of my boss's anger. I'm a salesperson and have customers. No matter which company I go to, I'll be popular.

I am no longer a 20 + year-old young man. I can't stand 996, so I went back to my hometown and joined ZCC. This is a state-owned enterprise. Although the income is much less, I have more free time.




wash clothes ticket is a kind of Consumption ticket, which can be used for laundry in the wash clothes shop. At that time, our company issued 20 CNY wash ticket to employees who worked overtime until 7 o'clock, which could be used in the wash clothes shop. I often go home after taking a bath in the company, give the dirty clothes to wash clothes shop and take it the next day.

 

[REhorror]

996 is pretty much capitalist exploitation, abolish it.
The guy who voiced support for it i.e. Jack Ma, quickly becomes demon among chinese workers.