The Covert Origin of ISIS.............Enjoy

[rockstar08]

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[SSG_Commando]

The amount of propaganda (I would say publicity) CNN and Western media network is doing to boost ISIS rating it is going to backlash them eventually. Unlike the Alqaeda episode there was serious shortcomings by most probably poor and hyper script writer for the movie called ISIS.

 

[rockstar08]

also see this video ... seems they try hard to present themselves as very innocents. .. like the world has not seen the brutality of these Pigs ISIS ....

 

[PeaceGen]

I got a couple of remarks after seeing this video, which i request the defence.pk moderators to "barely allow to stay on", for it has a lot of background detail that is hard to find among the few graphic images it contains.

1 : the former ISI dude points the finger at the US, India and Israel, without acknowledging any mistakes he's made during his support of the Taliban. He mentions the existance of evidence for his statements but doesn't detail what that evidence actually is. For these reasons, i will treat him as irrelevant to the discussion.

2 : yes, NATO drones sometimes (too frequently still) kill the innocent *that are among the guilty*. but these drone strikes are approved / tolerated by the pakistani government, and therefore that adds to the list of things the pakistani government is still doing wrong in the handling of their tribal areas where the taliban grow up.

3 : as i said before on this forum, killing the taliban is not the only solution that must be pursued. kill or torture a terrorist, and his peers *will* find plenty of new recruits to replenish their ranks and their leaderships. Lock up a terrorist and work on better de-radicalization programs for inside that (pleasant) prison, i find that currently what has to be tried and developed to the fullest by both NATO, Israel, EU, AND the moderate muslim leaderships around the world.
you should kill terrorists only to stop an attack in progress, i think.

4 : the real source of the taliban's aggression is their religious schools, which the pakistani government had better start policing / moderating.

 

[Cortana]

we have seen lots of reaction from pakistan on the peshawar attack but i heard that there was attack on shikarpur why are they silent this time ... @rockstar08

 

[rockstar08]

I got a couple of remarks after seeing this video, which i request the defence.pk moderators to "barely allow to stay on", for it has a lot of background detail that is hard to find among the few graphic images it contains.

1 : the former ISI dude points the finger at the US, India and Israel, without acknowledging any mistakes he's made during his support of the Taliban. He mentions the existance of evidence for his statements but doesn't detail what that evidence actually is. For these reasons, i will treat him as irrelevant to the discussion.

2 : yes, NATO drones sometimes (too frequently still) kill the innocent *that are among the guilty*. but these drone strikes are approved / tolerated by the pakistani government, and therefore that adds to the list of things the pakistani government is still doing wrong in the handling of their tribal areas where the taliban grow up.

3 : as i said before on this forum, killing the taliban is not the only solution that must be pursued. kill or torture a terrorist, and his peers *will* find plenty of new recruits to replenish their ranks and their leaderships. Lock up a terrorist and work on better de-radicalization programs for inside that (pleasant) prison, i find that currently what has to be tried and developed to the fullest by both NATO, Israel, EU, AND the moderate muslim leaderships around the world.
you should kill terrorists only to stop an attack in progress, i think.

4 : the real source of the taliban's aggression is their religious schools, which the pakistani government had better start policing / moderating.

The video is not About Pakistan, there is a small Part which say some facts about US cold war in Afghanistan ... this discussion is not for why US do drone attacks in Pakistan , either they are right or wrong ... but the core of the video is based on , how US and its allies fund the ISIS which is now killing hundreds of Peoples , and become a headache for world peace ... and forget about Libya , and Egypt , we know what US did there ... so yeah they created the monster ...

 

[PeaceGen]

The video is not About Pakistan, there is a small Part which say some facts about US cold war in Afghanistan ... this discussion is not for why US do drone attacks in Pakistan , either they are right or wrong ... but the core of the video is based on , how US and its allies fund the ISIS which is now killing hundreds of Peoples , and become a headache for world peace ... and forget about Libya , and Egypt , we know what US did there ... so yeah they created the monster ...

you are misinformed and manipulated by your fellow muslims that choose to always blame outside forces for faults that really come from within some flavors of islam that are alive today.

 

[rockstar08]

we have seen lots of reaction from pakistan on the peshawar attack but i heard that there was attack on shikarpur why are they silent this time ... @rockstar08

there is no silent , there was huge protest all over Pakistan , the thing is we need to put our focus of this Shia-sunni fight , and put those in jails who support LeJ, some of Ministers in PMLN ... A Pakistani is a Pakistani ... shia , sunni , Ahmadi , Hindu , Christian , Catholic .... and who ever break any law and go against Constitution , should be punished according to it .... Peshwar kids were Shia or sunni , Shikarpur victims shia or sunni doesnt matter , they were humans and Pakistani's ...

you are misinformed and manipulated by your fellow muslims that choose to always blame outside forces for faults that really come from within some flavors of islam that are alive today.

lolz and you conclude on that ? no one is deluted here, the video , i didnt make it ... nor any muslim i guess ... so first try to learn something from the video ,, and use google ,search about Iraq War , Who help Saddam against Iran , Who Armed the FSA and syria rebels , who armed the Lybian rebels etc. ...

and please if you have no better answer , kindly stay away from Discussion

 

[Cortana]

there is no silent , there was huge protest all over Pakistan , the thing is we need to put our focus of this Shia-sunni fight , and put those in jails who support LeJ, some of Ministers in PMLN ... A Pakistani is a Pakistani ... shia , sunni , Ahmadi , Hindu , Christian , Catholic .... and who ever break any law and go against Constitution , should be punished according to it .... Peshwar kids were Shia or sunni , Shikarpur victims shia or sunni doesnt matter , they were humans and Pakistani's ...

Yes but we have not seen same response from the army of pakistan like they did after peshawar attack i was referring to this ..i thought it might be the reaction few days back some one posted that army killed more than 70 in waziristan so this could be the reaction ....

 

[RescueRanger]

we have seen lots of reaction from pakistan on the peshawar attack but i heard that there was attack on shikarpur why are they silent this time ... @rockstar08

How about you pick up a pakistani news paper or tune into a Pakistan news channel before you fire off some brain farts.

Yes but we have not seen same response from the army of pakistan like they did after peshawar attack i was referring to this ..i thought it might be the reaction few days back some one posted that army killed more than 70 in waziristan so this could be the reaction ....

Discuss the topic, if you want to discuss the incident that occurred in Sindh there is a topic open for it, if you want to discuss APS incident there is a thread for it.

Please stick to the topic.

 

[PeaceGen]

lolz and you conclude on that ? no one is deluted here, the video , i didnt make it ... nor any muslim i guess ... so first try to learn something from the video ,, and use google ,search about Iraq War , Who help Saddam against Iran , Who Armed the FSA and syria rebels , who armed the Lybian rebels etc. ...

and please if you have no better answer , kindly stay away from Discussion

yea i know i'm supposed to provide evidence for my viewpoint, but the evidence is fairly long.. do you need it today? kinda tired atm..

and btw, your ego wouldn't like the evidence at all. just so u know.

 

[rockstar08]

Yes but we have not seen same response from the army of pakistan like they did after peshawar attack i was referring to this ..i thought it might be the reaction few days back some one posted that army killed more than 70 in waziristan so this could be the reaction ....

listen dude, army is furious , they want to see those taliban dead as much as we do ... trust me they will make sure that those Taliban will soon be extinct from the face of Pakistan ... i have no doubt on Army .... the best for us civilians is to stand with Army , and we also have a responsibility to help our Army and law enforcement agencies , if we see something suspicious ... if we want to cure this cancer , we all has to work as team , as a nation ...

yea i know i'm supposed to provide evidence for my viewpoint, but the evidence is fairly long.. do you need it today? kinda tired atm..

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you can take time as you want,,,i know there are counter proofs for that ... but if you close your eyes, that doesnt mean no one cae see you

How about you pick up a pakistani news paper or tune into a Pakistan news channel before you fire off some brain farts.



Discuss the topic, if you want to discuss the incident that occurred in Sindh there is a topic open for it, if you want to discuss APS incident there is a thread for it.

Please stick to the topic.

did you see the Videos ?? your comment ?

 

[PeaceGen]

you can take time as you want,,,i know there are counter proofs for that ... but if you close your eyes, that doesnt mean no one cae see you

actually there is no counter evidence to the list of evidence supporting my viewpoints.

all other muslims that have forced me to provide that evidence could do nothing but shut up after hearing it.

 

[rockstar08]

yea i know i'm supposed to provide evidence for my viewpoint, but the evidence is fairly long.. do you need it today? kinda tired atm..

and btw, your ego wouldn't like the evidence at all. just so u know.

well i dont have ego for sure ... i dont care if US did all this mess or not .. who killed who , who bomb who ... the thing what ever muslim world is facing today is their own mistakes ... and there is no rocket science to understand this simple fact that every country in this world , is just want to interfere in others matters .. and US did start this mess after 9/11 .. and i am yet to see the so called WOT to be even close to finish ... but wait no , US and NATO are super powers , no one can defeat them , but they are just failed to bring peace to the region ... ops

 

[Steve781]

The video is not About Pakistan, there is a small Part which say some facts about US cold war in Afghanistan ... this discussion is not for why US do drone attacks in Pakistan , either they are right or wrong ... but the core of the video is based on , how US and its allies fund the ISIS which is now killing hundreds of Peoples , and become a headache for world peace ... and forget about Libya , and Egypt , we know what US did there ... so yeah they created the monster ...

Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia created ISIS. The US supported the FSA only and even then the support was pretty meagre.
Pakistan on the other hand was still supporting the Taliban in Afghanistan as late as last year and still to this day supports Kashmiri jihadists.