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The Black African origins of Kemet (ancient Egypt)

ok lets make it simple what made the skin coulor change from europe to africa ?
the sun so that means the closer you are to africa the more dark your skin is that does not work on modern egyptians only on anciant egyptians also if what you say it is true then the people of egypt have came from africa and build this civlization and then what happend to them ?egypt from the pharous time untill now has a huge population all this people have just perished ? and there was no mass killing in egypt after invading countrys came
some people are dying becouse our history and will do anything to try to prove that we are some arabs who came to this land
and dna tests has shown that our dna is defrient from arabs so we egyptians came from space ?
 
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ok lets make it simple what made the skin coulor change from europe to africa ?

Skin color is an adaptive trait, like limb proportions. According to ecological principal the more tropically adapted a population is the darker their skin color is, hence the most tropically adapted populations in the world have dark skin (tropical Africans, Melanesians, Australians ect). The ancient Egyptians were found to be tropically adapted just like tropical African populations:

"Limb ratios are of interest because of limb ratios' general relationship to climate per Allen's rule.Mammals (including Homo sapiens sapiens) tend to have shorter distal members of the extremities in colder climates; this is viewed as being adaptive. Hence the shin (tibia)/thigh (femur) index in Europeans would on the average be expected to differ from an equatorial population. Indeed, this is one line of evidence used to support the idea that at least some, if not most, Upper Paleolithic (anatomically modern) 'Europeans" were immigrants from warmer areas (Trinkhaus 1981). Of course variation is expected in any region or population.

Trinkhaus (1981) provides upper and lower extremity distal/proximal member ratios for numerous populations, including a predynastic Egyptian and Mediterranean European series. The predynastic Egyptian values plotted near tropical Africans, not Mediterranean Europeans."

--S. Keita, (1993). Studies and Comments on Ancient Egyptian Biological Relationships. History in Africa.Vol. 20, (1993), pp. 129-154

The Mediterranean is a sub tropical enviornment, which is what the country now known as Egypt mostly falls into. The fact that the ancient Egyptians were not "SUB tropically adapted" (like Middle Easterners and southern Europeans) and instead "TROPICALLY adapted means that the population source for the ancient Egyptians came from the tropically regions of the south (inner Africa).

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You must also note that it takes over 15,000 years for a populations to adapt to moving into a new climatic zone. The fact that most modern Egyptians today are not tropically adapted as their early Egyptian ancestors from 5,000 years ago is also an indication of recent gene flow from non tropical regions (i.e the Middle East and Europe).

also if what you say it is true then the people of egypt have came from africa and build this civlization

It's not my opinion that the came from inner Africa, it's scholarly consensus:

"The evidence also points to linkages to other northeast African peoples, not coincidentally approximating the modern range of languages closely related to Egyptian in the Afro-Asiatic group (formerly called Hamito-Semetic). These linguistic similarities place ancient Egyptian in a close relationship with languages spoken today as far west as Chad, and as far south as Somalia. A widespread northeastern African cultural assemblage, including distinctive multiple barbed harpoons and pottery decorated with dotted wavy line patterns, appears during the early Neolithic (also known as the Aqualithic, a reference to the mild climate of the Sahara at this time).

Archaeological evidence also strongly supports an African origin
. Saharan and Sudanese rock art from this time resembles early Egyptian iconography. Strong connections between Nubian (Sudanese) and Egyptian material culture continue in later Neolithic Badarian culture of Upper Egypt. Similarities include black-topped wares, vessels with characteristic ripple-burnished surfaces, a special tulip-shaped vessel with incised andwhite-filled decoration, palettes, and harpoons...

Other ancient Egyptian practices show strong similarities to modern African cultures including divine kingship, the use of headrests, body art, circumcision, and male coming-of-age rituals, all suggesting an African substratum or foundation for Egyptian civilization.. "

Source: Donald Redford (2001) The Oxford encyclopedia of ancient Egypt,Volume 3. Oxford University Press. p. 28

Also please re-watch the documentary that I just posted by renown African historian Basil Davidson on the origins of ancient Egypt.

and then what happend to them ?egypt from the pharous time untill now has a huge population all this people have just perished ? and there was no mass killing in egypt after invading countrys came

This has already been addressed several times throughout this thread (including in a peer reviewed article presented in my first post). The native Egyptians (who were black Africans from the south) simply absorbed (or mixed with) migrant and invading populations from the Mediterranean region (Hyksos, Greeks, Arabs, Romans, Persians, ect) over the last several thousand years (including during Dynastic times). The physical distinction between Egyptians of different times period has been noted to have occurred during Dynastic times. Early Egyptians who had biological affinities with African populations to the south were found to be physically distinct from the Late Dynastic Egyptians who had absorbed a lot of foreign admixture:

The data consist of 55 cranio-facial variables from 418 adult Egyptian individuals, from six periods, ranging in date from c. 5000 to 1200 BC. These were compared with the 111 Late Period crania (c. 600- 350 BC) from the Howells sample. Principal Component and Canonical Discriminant Function Analyses were undertaken, on both pooled and single sex samples. The results suggest a level of local population continuity exists within the earlier Egyptian populations, but that this was in association with some change in population structure, reflecting small-scale immigration and admixture with new groups. Most dramatically, the results also indicate that the Egyptian series from Howells global data set are morphologically distinct from the Predynastic and Early Dynastic Nile Valley samples (especially in cranial vault shape and height), and thus show that this sample cannot be considered to be a typical Egyptian series. Intra-population and temporal variation in ancient Egyptian crania:-) abstact AAPA 2004) by S.R. Zakrzewski. Department of Archaeology, University of Southampton, UK.

Modern Egyptians are according to modern research the main descendants of the ancient Egyptians however, and are also the descendants of other groups who later settled in the Nile. What has been refuted however is the notion that they have always looked the way that the generally do today.
 
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You can clearly see that black people in the northern parts of Africa definently have Arabian features, but have black skin.
 
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You can clearly see that black people in the northern parts of Africa definently have Arabian features, but have black skin.

Last time I checked those "Arabian features" were in those African populations before there were people in Arabia:

"Another example of the use of a socially constructed typological paradigm is in studies of the Nile Valley populations in which the concept of a biological African is restricted to those with a particular craniometric pattern (called in the past the 'True Negro' though no 'True White' was ever defined). Early Nubians, Egyptians, and even Somalians are viewed essentially as non-Africans, when in fact numerous lines of evidence and an evolutionary model make them a part of African biocultural/biogeographical history. The diversity of 'authentic' Africans is a reality. This diversity prevents biogeographical/biohistorical Africans from clustering into a single unit, no matter the kind of data." (The Persistence of Racial Thinking and the Myth of Racial Divergence, S. O. Y. Keita, Rick A. Kittles, American Anthropologist, New Series, Vol. 99, No. 3 (Sep., 1997), pp. 534-544)

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"..presents all tropical Africans with narrower noses and faces as being related to or descended from external, ultimately non-African peoples. However, narrow-faced, narrow-nosed populations have long been resident in Saharo-tropical Africa... and their origin need not be sought elsewhere. These traits are also indigenous. The variability in tropical Africa is expectedly naturally high. Given their longstanding presence, narrow noses and faces cannot be deemed `non-African."(S.O.Y. Keita, "Studies and Comments on Ancient Egyptian Biological Relationships," History in Africa 20 (1993), page 134 )

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"An earlier generation of anthropologists tried to explain face form in the Horn of Africa as the result of admixture from hypothetical “wandering Caucasoids,” (Adams, 1967, 1979; MacGaffey, 1966; Seligman, 1913, 1915, 1934), but that explanation founders on the paradox of why that supposedly potent “Caucasoid” people contributed a dominant quantity of genes for nose and face form but none for skin color or limb proportions. It makes far better sense to regard the adaptively significant features seen in the Horn of Africa as solely an in situ response on the part of separate adaptive traits to the selective forces present in the hot dry tropics of eastern Africa. From the observation that 12,000 years was not a long enough period of time to produce any noticeable variation in pigment by latitude in the New World and that 50,000 years has been barely long enough to produce the beginnings of a gradation in Australia (Brace, 1993a), one would have to argue that the inhabitants of the Upper Nile and the East Horn of Africa have been equatorial for many tens of thousands of years."
(-- C.L. Brace, 1993. Clines and clusters..")
 
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What was that culture in zimbabwe where they built that stone city.
 
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Modern Egyptians are according to modern research the main descendants of the ancient Egyptians however, and are also the descendants of other groups who later settled in the Nile. What has been refuted however is the notion that they have always looked the way that the generally do today.
this is what i was saying we the majorty of egyptians are not arab we are egyptians
 
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"...STABILITY and HOMOGENEITY persisted right through the Old and Middle Kingdoms, and breaks down only in the New Kingdom period, when we know from many sources that there was considerable infiltration into the Nile Valley."
--Berry, A.C., & Berry, R.J., 1972. ‘Origins and Relationships of the Ancient Egyptians, Based on the Study of Non-Metrical Variations in the Skull’, Journal of Human Evolution, 1, 1972: 199-206; p.203

this can't be right...not only is it dated

here's an interview from a known Egyptologist who said that by the time Egypt's Middle Kingdom period, it was a multiracial society

so that means that probably during the pyramid age, Egypt started becoming or was multi racial

@nilevalleyking: BLACK EGYPT COVER UP CONSPIRACY - Racist Zahi Hawass exposed (Robert Bauval) - YouTube

it starts at 6:25

he does say though that Egypt was started by Black people, but to call Ancient Egypt Black is a stretch when during atleast half of the civilization it was multiracial (according to this Egyptologist)

if he's wrong, what proof do you have that Ancient Egypt was only indigenous(non-mixed) Black from beginning until??
 
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hey mahmoud, can you pm SIR Shawn to remind him to post in this thread (that's if he's able to have a come back) I noticed there hasn't been any responses in this thread for a while so he might have forgotten about it
 
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actually Sir Shawn, you were right

after doing research, I found that that study is relevant, so yes the Ancient Egyptians were Black

even though migration started during the old kingdom period, it wasn't significant
 
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Lool, what's wrong of being black? I find color racism the most ridiculous and stupid thing in the world. At least religious racism based on believes not skin color.:disagree:

this is what i was saying we the majorty of egyptians are not arab we are egyptians

And we are not Arab decedents, we are Nabateans and that goes for Iraqis, Syrians, Algerians...etc, but we are Arabs now. Stop being ashamed of yourself.
Arabs is a language not race.
 
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Lool, what's wrong of being black? I find color racism the most ridiculous and stupid thing in the world. At least religious racism based on believes not skin color.
i am not racist and one of my closest friend is black from aswan and my father family is from aswan to me every egyptian is my brother
And we are not Arab decedents, we are Nabateans and that goes for Iraqis, Syrians, Algerians...etc, but we are Arabs now. Stop being ashamed of yourself.
Arabs is a language not race.
what makes me arab ?
 
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What I find is that neighbor populations started mixing after the ice age about 10,000 years ago and then even more so after the advent of age of empires around 7000-5000 years back. So it is possible that all of Africa was more black earlier and today it is more mixed because of migrations from neighboring parts of Eurasia in the north.
 
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