The Balance of Air power in Sub-continent considering latest inductions of Platforms / capabilities by PAF

[Tornado23]

So if the Pakistani Air Force and what have you is stronger than Indias, How come it never won any war against India? People make it sound that Pakistan won all air battles with India, how come they lost all wars then? Loosing half the country back in the day..

Mate forget about Pakistan or India. You need to start focusing on your English lessons lol.

 

[CSAW]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1661718661835653122

 

[Trango Towers]

So if the Pakistani Air Force and what have you is stronger than Indias, How come it never won any war against India? People make it sound that Pakistan won all air battles with India, how come they lost all wars then? Loosing half the country back in the day..

Oh dumbo.
If Pakistan lost all war how come it took half Kashmir from the Indians.
How come 65 war international papers are full of Indians losing the war. Their claim was by nightfall we will be dining in lahore gymkhana. But the general incharge ended up leaving his jeep and running for his dear life. Yes we lost 71. Kargil ven now we occupy peaks taken from India and the 26 Feb air clash yes we all know how that ended. So my piss drinkers who even calls himself by a western name because he is ashamed as his real name is cowshik I mean cowshit learn your history and never forget Muslims ruled u for a 1000 years and the carved Pakistan out of India

 

[NG Missile Vessels]

Oh dumbo.
If Pakistan lost all war how come it took half Kashmir from the Indians.
How come 65 war international papers are full of Indians losing the war. Their claim was by nightfall we will be dining in lahore gymkhana. But the general incharge ended up leaving his jeep and running for his dear life. Yes we lost 71. Kargil ven now we occupy peaks taken from India and the 26 Feb air clash yes we all know how that ended. So my piss drinkers who even calls himself by a western name because he is ashamed as his real name is cowshik I mean cowshit learn your history and never forget Muslims ruled u for a 1000 years and the carved Pakistan out of India

BBC data on 1965 war

 

[MastanKhan]

So if the Pakistani Air Force and what have you is stronger than Indias, How come it never won any war against India? People make it sound that Pakistan won all air battles with India, how come they lost all wars then? Loosing half the country back in the day..

Hi,

What do you mean---" won a war ".

Being 5 times smaller and USA sanctions prone---every time we went to war and coming out in one piece is victory in itself---.

I mean to ask----what has india won in war---please share with us---and keep Bangladesh out of it---.

 

[Trango Towers]

BBC data on 1965 war
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Oh man...

OK you won everything. Now have some fantastic tea.

 

[Tornado23]

BBC data on 1965 war
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BBC article uses Indian claims as is mentioned in the article itself.

Enjoy the CIA report

 

[NG Missile Vessels]

BBC article uses Indian claims as is mentioned in the article itself.

Enjoy the CIA report
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Pak did win wars but begged for Haji Pir Pass, Pak won war with 93k POW, & yes Pak did a strategic withdrawal with a strategy that it didn't even claim back it's soldiers whom IA finally cremated

Graveyard of Patton tanks

Operation Gibraltar
Result: Pakistani operational failure

https://twitter.com/x/status/739320262424858625

Captured Pak SSG commandos paraded by J&K villagers

 

[Tornado23]

Pak did win wars but begged for Haji Pir Pass, Pak won war with 93k POW, & yes Pak did a strategic withdrawal with a strategy that it didn't even claim back it's soldiers whom IA finally cremated
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All of Indias three main assaults (Lahore, Sialkot and Sindh) failed miserably. Gen Harbaksh Singh spoke about the failure of the Indian army at lahore, stating it faltered from the 1st day of combat, the failure of the Sindh assault of how it gained little to nothing and how the Indian Air force did not cooperate well with the Indian Army leaving them with no air cover, and the sialkot assault failing due to the battle of Chawinda and the massive tank losses India took (120+ tanks destroyed) (assal uttar, credit given where it is due, they ambushed Pakistans tanks via horse shoe formation and by flooding the area, to make maneuvering difficult, but it's not the largest tank battle after ww2. That belongs to chawinda (392 tanks took part in total).

East Pakistan couldn't have been held onto for long. 34,000 soldiers held on for more than a week inflicting heavy losses onto the Indians and MB. 93,000 POW, you should specify how many soldiers were POW and how many were civilian to bump up the number.

As for Kargil...4/8 peaks still under control. Operation Vijay (which stated ALL peaks occupied by Pakistan from the start of the war were to be retaken and Pakistani presence is to be expelled from the area) in essence failed.

The aftermath has been stated in the CIA docs I screenshotted. India suffered heavier casualties (men and material), and the land taken by India was inconsequential to the war.

 

[NG Missile Vessels]

All of Indias three main assaults (Lahore, Sialkot and Sindh) failed miserably. Gen Harbaksh Singh spoke about the failure of the Indian army at lahore, stating it faltered from the 1st day of combat, the failure of the Sindh assault of how it gained little to nothing and how the Indian Air force did not cooperate well with the Indian Army leaving them with no air cover, and the sialkot assault failing due to the battle of Chawinda and the massive tank losses India took (120+ tanks destroyed) (assal uttar, credit given where it is due, they ambushed Pakistans tanks via horse shoe formation and by flooding the area, to make maneuvering difficult, but it's not the largest tank battle after ww2. That belongs to chawinda (392 tanks took part in total).

East Pakistan couldn't have been held onto for long. 34,000 soldiers held on for more than a week inflicting heavy losses onto the Indians and MB. 93,000 POW, you should specify how many soldiers were POW and how many were civilian to bump up the number.

As for Kargil...4/8 peaks still under control. Operation Vijay (which stated ALL peaks occupied by Pakistan from the start of the war were to be retaken and Pakistani presence is to be expelled from the area) in essence failed.
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The aftermath has been stated in the CIA docs I screenshotted. India suffered heavier casualties (men and material), and the land taken by India was inconsequential to the war.

According to the Federal Research Division of the US, the war would have ended in our favour:
"The war was militarily inconclusive; each side held prisoners and some territory belonging to the other. Losses were relatively heavy—on the Pakistani side, twenty aircraft, 200 tanks, and 3,800 troops. Pakistan’s army had been able to withstand Indian pressure, but a continuation of the fighting would only have led to further losses and ultimate defeat for Pakistan. Most Pakistanis, schooled in the belief of their own martial prowess, refused to accept the possibility of their country’s military defeat by “Hindu India” and were, instead, quick to blame their failure to attain their military aims on what they considered to be the ineptitude of Ayub Khan and his government.”

 

[Tornado23]

According to the Federal Research Division of the US, the war would have ended in our favour:
"The war was militarily inconclusive; each side held prisoners and some territory belonging to the other. Losses were relatively heavy—on the Pakistani side, twenty aircraft, 200 tanks, and 3,800 troops. Pakistan’s army had been able to withstand Indian pressure, but a continuation of the fighting would only have led to further losses and ultimate defeat for Pakistan. Most Pakistanis, schooled in the belief of their own martial prowess, refused to accept the possibility of their country’s military defeat by “Hindu India” and were, instead, quick to blame their failure to attain their military aims on what they considered to be the ineptitude of Ayub Khan and his government.”

And yet history shows that despite this fact, despite the fact that Pakistan was suffering heavy ammo shortages, India still accepted the ceasefire, thus resulting in a stalemate. Neither side was able to achieve its objectives. Casualties, India took the heavier losses.

 

[NG Missile Vessels]

And yet history shows that despite this fact, despite the fact that Pakistan was suffering heavy ammo shortages, India still accepted the ceasefire, thus resulting in a stalemate. Neither side was able to achieve its objectives. Casualties, India took the heavier losses.

 

[NG Missile Vessels]

East Pakistan couldn't have been held onto for long. 34,000 soldiers held on for more than a week inflicting heavy losses onto the Indians and MB. 93,000 POW, you should specify how many soldiers were POW

As for Kargil...4/8 peaks still under control. Operation Vijay (which stated ALL peaks occupied by Pakistan from the start of the war were to be retaken and Pakistani presence is to be expelled from the area) in essence failed.

India has already successfully retaliated back by capturing Point 5310 which is located one kilometer deep on Pakistani side of LoC and is far more strategically important than 5353. Point 5353 lies on the Pakistan side and to capture it, the attacking troops have to approach from the north entailing crossing the LoC. Since the LoC was not to be crossed and the feature being on the Pakistan side, we had no plans to secure it.

Peak Point 5310 is still under Indian control along with Mount Anzabar and several peaks located inside Pakistani territory in Qamar sector.
Source: Pak defence jouno Nasim Zehra's book

India Buries Soldiers That Pakistan Won't Claim (Published 1999)

India is burying unknown soldiers killed in Kashmir from invasion force Pakistan disavows; has offered bodies to Pakistan, which has rejected them, holding hundreds of invaders dug into mountaintop positions just inside Indian-controlled Kashmir are Muslim holy warriors; much of rest of world...

www.nytimes.com

 

[Tornado23]

@NG Missile Vessels

Can you stop editing previous posts you made to make it out I didn't have a reply to them. I really do have a reply to them. Goofy ahh IT cell member.

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also funny you should upload the pic of the lahore district police station captured by the Indian Army. The Indian army regiment that took it retreated from that area after Pakistan launched its counter attack to retake it.

As for overall performance see the above attachment I sent. Over all Indias actual losses were higher than Pakistans, they were unable to launch an offensive that would net them a decisive victory over a much smaller nation with a much smaller military, and the land they took was, as the CIA put it, inconsequential. It was unimportant. Sialkot assault alone lost 120 tanks at Chawinda.

I don't know what's worse. Being an IAF pilot during the 65 war, driving a truck as apart of ab Indian army convoy heading to Lahore, being a tank commander at Sialkot or being anyone in the Indian army or air force ar Sindh.

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India has already successfully retaliated back by capturing Point 5310 which is located one kilometer deep on Pakistani side of LoC and is far more strategically important than 5353. Point 5353 lies on the Pakistan side and to capture it, the attacking troops have to approach from the north entailing crossing the LoC. Since the LoC was not to be crossed and the feature being on the Pakistan side, we had no plans to secure it.

Peak Point 5310 is still under Indian control along with Mount Anzabar and several peaks located inside Pakistani territory in Qamar sector.
Source: Pak defence jouno Nasim Zehra's book

India Buries Soldiers That Pakistan Won't Claim (Published 1999)

India is burying unknown soldiers killed in Kashmir from invasion force Pakistan disavows; has offered bodies to Pakistan, which has rejected them, holding hundreds of invaders dug into mountaintop positions just inside Indian-controlled Kashmir are Muslim holy warriors; much of rest of world...

www.nytimes.com

The stamp is not empirical evidence for the 90000 pow. Many historians agree on the 34,000 to 40,000 military personnel figure in EP.


As for Kargil...operation Vijay )))))))) 4/8 peaks ))))))))))))))))))))))))

 

[K_Bin_W]

Your own source says the war was militarily inconclusive but you claim India won the 1965 war? Incredible.

Indians won every single conflict for the last 1000 years.......