Tank Designs

[gati11]

i like it

 

[UkroTurk]

https://twitter.com/x/status/876885613689090048

Turkish M60s are being upgraded with ERA.

 

[Penguin]

Turkish M60s are being upgraded with ERA.

One would think so....

Clearly not the MKB package of the M60T (Sabra)
MKB = Moduler Koruma Birimleri = Modular Protection Units = applique armor modules

This [below] looks like a book cover. The tank image may or may not directly relate to the texts below it.

Balistik koruma sytemleri = Ballistic protection systems > systems that stop the penetration by projectiles
ERA reaktif zirh sistemi = Era reactive armour system > a type of vehicle armour that reacts explosively to the impact of a weapon to reduce the damage done to the vehicle being protected.
guclendirme vakfi nin bir kurulusudur = It is an institution of the embalming foundation (?)

Keep in mind ROKETSAN Ballistic Protection Center (Balistik Koruma Merkezi or BKM) does composite and reactive armour (ERA) as well as hybrid armour designs

There are two reasons why I am not immediately sure that it actually is ERA.
First, consider how thin it is e.g. directly over the gun mantlet.
Second, would you really go mount smoke grenade dischargers atop your ERA tiles?
(pls show me another tank fitted with ERA that has that!)

That makes me think it is a composite applique.

This is the 2004 Jordanian (KADDB) M60 Phoenix upgrade, which does use ERA, if atop some form of underlying armour applique.

Same, exclusive the ERA

http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product2268.html

 

[UkroTurk]

One would think so....

Clearly not the MKB package of the M60T (Sabra)
MKB = Moduler Koruma Birimleri = Modular Protection Units = applique armor modules

This [below] looks like a book cover. The tank image may or may not directly relate to the texts below it.

Balistik koruma sytemleri = Ballistic protection systems > systems that stop the penetration by projectiles
ERA reaktif zirh sistemi = Era reactive armour system > a type of vehicle armour that reacts explosively to the impact of a weapon to reduce the damage done to the vehicle being protected.
guclendirme vakfi nin bir kurulusudur = It is an institution of the embalming foundation (?)

Keep in mind ROKETSAN Ballistic Protection Center (Balistik Koruma Merkezi or BKM) does composite and reactive armour (ERA) as well as hybrid armour designs

There are two reasons why I am not immediately sure that it actually is ERA.
First, consider how thin it is e.g. directly over the gun mantlet.
Second, would you really go mount smoke grenade dischargers atop your ERA tiles?
(pls show me another tank fitted with ERA that has that!)

That makes me think it is a composite applique.

Thin ERA plates protect vehicle from strong ERA explosions.
If armour is not strong and ERA plates are thick ,Vehicle can be damaged.
Probably they might use this thin ERAplates for other M113 IFV'S.

In Turkish section everybody said that it was light ERA protects against rpgs.
And This tank is not SABRA upgrade.

There are a lot of type of ERA.
https://www.quora.com/How-effective-is-ERA-on-vehicles-without-much-armor

Here centauro with thin ERA protection. As you know centauro has less strong armour than a tank.
Strong ERA blast could damage centauro.

Maybe you are right.

Side armor without ERA, parts of the ceramic applique armor have been dismanteled.

 

[Penguin]

Thin ERA plates protect vehicle from strong ERA explosions.
If armour is not strong and ERA plates are thick ,Vehicle can be damaged.
Probably they might use this thin ERAplates for other M113 IFV'S.

In Turkish section everybody said that it was light ERA protects against rpgs.

There are a lot of type of ERA.
https://www.quora.com/How-effective-is-ERA-on-vehicles-without-much-armor

Here centauro with thin ERA protection. As you know centauro has less strong armour than a tank.
Strong ERA blast could damage centauro.

On the B1 that's a ROMOR kit from Royal Ordnance of the UK.

The Royal Ordnance ROMOR-A is an applique Explosive Reactive Armour (ERA) package that can be installed on wheeled and tracked vehicles to give a high level of protection against High Explosive Anti-Tank (HEAT) attack. ROMOR-A consists of two parts, the actual tiles and the mounting system. The latter is normally bolted or welded onto the vehicle and the ERA tiles are then bolted in place. The actual ERA tiles consist of a layer of explosive which is sandwiched between two plates. When hit, the explosive drives the two plates apart and breaks up the jet of metal which the shaped charge directs at the target.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product3884.html

ROMOR-C is a passive applique sandwich armour that has been designed primarily to improve the battlefield survivability of lightweight armoured vehicles and some of the more vulnerable parts of MBTs, for example the hull sides and rear. It is believed that the ROMOR-C range of armours uses high-performance ceramic and composite materials.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product3886.html

Romor-A was considered as alternative armor upgrade for Chieftains (rather than the limited Stillbrew package).

Vickers Defence Challenger 1 MBTs were provided with ROMOR-A protection for the glacis and nose (Type 20 and 21) while the Centurion Armoured Vehicle Royal Engineers (AVREs) were provided with ROMOR-A for their turrets. These armour packages were fitted with the Challenger 1 MBTs for operations in Kosovo in mid-1999.

Romor A on Challenger in Kosovo.

Following a competition, in mid-1993, Royal package for the IVECO/Otobreda Centauro (8 x 8) armoured car/tank destroyer operating in Somalia as part of the UN peacekeeping forces. Royal Ordnance designed, manufactured and delivered this ROMOR-A package in less than three months. The first customer request for information was made on 3 June with the armour packages being delivered late in August. One of the key requirements of the Centauro ROMOR-A design was that there would be no structural changes to the actual hull of the vehicle and this was achieved. A total of 20 ROMOR-A vehicle sets were supplied by Royal Ordnance, 10 direct to Italy and 10 direct to Somalia where they were rapidly installed.

Romor-A on Centauro

So, the ERA on Centauro B1 as deployed in Somalia doesn't appear to be different from the ERA on Challenger 1 as deployed to Kosovo. The lower glacis of the Challenger 1 is not nearly as thin as that of the side hull and turret side of the Centauro. Which leads me to question the idea of 'light=thin''versus 'heavy=thick' ERA.

There is plenty of pictoral evidence of M113s with ERA and the basic M113 aluminium hull provides less ballistic protection than the Centauro's steel hull does i.e. is weaker. Likewise for BMP vehicles, some of which carry (very) thick ERA. Or at least they appear to be big blocks (may also be thin but placed at distance from hull, you can't really tell.)

So, I'm curious on this concept.

 

[C130]

tanks are getting crazy with the weight of armor and ERA. why not just design a tank with base armor to stop 35mm APFDS. slap a APS that can shoot down RPG and ATGM, design the hull with double V to survive IED and mines. shouldn't weight more than 35 tonnes, must be cheap,fast, and reliable.

I don't understand why modern armies don't use blitzkrieg tactics to outmaneuver rats in the desert. it's constant static warfare where these rats can take you out with ATGM easily.

 

[Penguin]

Roketsan offers "RPG Shield" system for protection against RPGs but as I understand it that is an armor cage system.

ROKETSAN Ballistic Protection Systems (BPS) are structured to fulfill the ballistic protection requirements of military platforms. BPC has composite and explosive reactive armor (ERA) design, development, production and testing capabilities for light and heavy armored vehicles. It also provides Elastic Layered Armor System solutions to increase protection level of armored vehicles against RPG threat and force protection solutions

ROKETSAN Explosive Reactive Armor System is a hybrid armor system developed for upgrade and modernisation programs of armored vehicles. The collateral damage is reduced by the controlled fragmentation of advanced materials and the combination of reactive and passive elements. Energetic materials have been developed by ROKETSAN specifically for reactive armor applications. Ranging from heavy ERA for MBTs to self-limiting reactive armor for LAVs, different energetic material technologies are employed in the armor system.

http://www.roketsan.com.tr/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/BALISTIK-ENG-email.pdf
http://www.monch.com/mpg/news/14-la...n-extends-ballistic-protection-solutions.html
http://en.c4defence.com/Archive/roketsan-will-bring-its-armor-solutions-to-idef-17/4261/1

 

[UkroTurk]

tanks are getting crazy with the weight of armor and ERA. why not just design a tank with base armor to stop 35mm APFDS. slap a APS that can shoot down RPG and ATGM, design the hull with double V to survive IED and mines. shouldn't weight more than 35 tonnes, must be cheap,fast, and reliable.

I don't understand why modern armies don't use blitzkrieg tactics to outmaneuver rats in the desert. it's constant static warfare where these rats can take you out with ATGM easily.

Dear this tank for you.

why 35mm?? How many army has 35mm guns? Though 35mm ammunition could waste a lot of tanks.

In this picture it is written that ERA -reactive armour system.
If it wasnot era , they wouldnot write ERA.

 

[C130]

Dear this tank for you.

why 35mm?? How many army has 35mm guns? Though 35mm ammunition could waste a lot of tanks.

In this picture it is written that ERA -reactive armour system.
If it wasnot era , they wouldnot write ERA.

just saying base armor should be able to stop up to 35mm all around.

what tank is that?? but yeah something like that, and this http://military-today.com/tanks/new_chinese_light_tank.htm

it needs to be fast like 50 to 60kmh off road. needs an APS with at least 16 interceptors. it needs to have good situational awareness. the game is to run down rats with 12 of these in a wolf pack.

 

[UkroTurk]

just saying base armor should be able to stop up to 35mm all around.

what tank is that?? but yeah something like that, and this http://military-today.com/tanks/new_chinese_light_tank.htm

it needs to be fast like 50 to 60kmh off road. needs an APS with at least 16 interceptors. it needs to have good situational awareness. the game is to run down rats with 12 of these in a wolf pack.

The Kaplan Medium tank was developed by Turkish FNSS Medium tank for Indonesia.
It has Cockerill 105mm turret with autoloader.

 

[Glavcom]

 

[UkroTurk]

Swiss MBT Panzer 61
Notice Thé 20mm autocannon with 105 mm gun!

I would love to see this turret on rooikat 8x8

 

[Ilay]

Just had to post to post it here, describes what it means to be a tanker better then I ever could. A thing to remember is that being a tanker remains the same principle for all nations, religions and races something all of us tankers can relate to:

 

[Penguin]

Swiss MBT Panzer 61
Notice Thé 20mm autocannon with 105 mm gun!

Originated as Panzer 58, some of which were converted to Panzer 61. Pz 61's original coaxial 20 mm autocannon was replaced by a coaxial 7.5 mm machine gun in the Pz 61 AA9 variant. It never reappeared onf the Pz 68, which was replaced by Leopard 2.

One Leo 2 prototype had a roof mounted 20mm.

17 prototypes of the Leopard 2 were delivered for testing between 1972 and 1974. Hulls and turrets were delivered independently and not necessarily tested together as one vehicle. At the end, only 16 hulls were produced, with number 12 never materialized. on the other hand all 17 turrets were handed over for troop trials. When combining turrets and hulls, a wide range of different configurations was tested. This was possible as turrets and hulls were fully compatible with each other.

Turret 11 was also equipped with a 20mm auto cannon on the turret roof. The weapon was very accurate, but the size and the ammunition storage were problematic. The development was not continued.

See also AMX-30B: From 1972 the original coaxial 12.7mm heavy machine gun was replaced with a dual purpose 20-millimeter (0.79 in) autocannon against light armour and helicopters, with the ability to depress to −8 degrees and elevate to 40 degrees. All French army vehicles were eventually brought to this newer standard; the designation remained AMX 30B

Leopard with 3-way stabilization & 20mm AA gun from 1966

 

[Glavcom]