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Talks for Su-35, Mi-35 sales to Pakistan are underway: Russian Deputy FM

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Usman sabbir of Pak def about SU-35 sells to Pakistan


H. Khan about SU-35

This is perfect analysis and my belief since the first day.

This "leaking" of news was understandable and worked in both russian and pakistani interest.
 
Oo yeah i read that,, i wrote "Couple of years" and that was wrong, it is wrong
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I feel it will take some 5 to 7 years to get this flying in PAF. The Chinese are working on the plane, once they have made it capable enough and mature enough PAF (if interested to buy which it seems they will be) will also be giving some technical inputs and then some modifications/up gradations as per our requirement. Only after that we may see J-31 in PAF.


Till that time, i feel that it will be the F-16 (as PAF have shown again that they still totally believe in this plane and are always ready to buy a few more) and JF-17 future blocks. Ideally i will like, in fact love to see some of the underdevelopment systems of J31 being incorporated into future JF17 blocks in this time. This will deliver a much more potent 4.5 generation fighter an thus we can afford to wait for these 5 to 7 years for a proper 5th generation. Not only that but it will surely take JF-17 to a next level. Things like RAM coating, better AESA radar, IRST and avionics. Yes i understand that will make the plane expensive but remember that these we will be inducting as a 4.5+ generation platform and not the 4th generation we are producing currently AND will actually practically help us keep our air force on par for the time till be start getting fifth generation plane.
actually in jf blk 3 there would be aesa, lot of ram coating, 40 %composites plus payload upto 5000 kg , 100 kn engine all these things for sure
but these might be there
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new dsi intake two seater
more hardpoints to 9
even airframe changes
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BLOCK 3 WOULD BE A TRUE 4.5 GENERATION AND FORCE MULTIPLIER FOR PAF
 
Hi,

I would differ from your analysis---. The current Silent eagle is a totally different aircraft than what the original F15 was----. New and upgraded frames---flybywire----all the upto date gadgets and electronics---pods to carry missiles----or mounted in a conventional manner----in performance the closest that you could get to an F35.

Just remember---with the americans---you are not just fighting an aircraft----but a whole group of supporting element.

There is a reason that the Israelis are placing an order of the F15 Silent Eagle.
I'm sure sir ,
That we will be never obliged for that hell of machine & we won't be able to counter it in the skies as we are not hot boggies to USAF or ISF ?
so , comparing it with our needs of hour is just day dreaming ?
We can get SU-35 s then , we should get it that's it .
Su-35s are also reputed mean machines , with good training on them , we won't become a duck to any of these so called super american flying beasts , I'm sure that , sitting in the cockpit of SU-35s up in the air , won't bring any smile on any raptor /F-35 /SILENT EAGLE pilot in the skies maybe against us ?
It will be the game of skills & knowing your systems ?
& yes your 100% right , that USAF not only gets best of the machines made in america but they also prepare science of command & fixing their targets with best of selected weapons .

This Baby is enough to even counter alone against 2 of those SU-35 ! Just get those Block 50/52 Variant.

Even USA is still using them ! Did you ever ask yourself why ?

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Wake up chill out , some black coffee ?
Cause its not your Nintendo game ?lolzz
If these were so good , then USA wouldn't has made any of RAPPTORS /F-35s wasting so much money on them ?
 
This Baby is enough to even counter alone against 2 of those SU-35 ! Just get those Block 50/52 Variant.

Even USA is still using them ! Did you ever ask yourself why ?

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She's a good fighter, for her time. She is almost obsolete, without any serious upgrades, these will be like flying F6's against Mig 29s.
 
This Baby is enough to even counter alone against 2 of those SU-35 ! Just get those Block 50/52 Variant.

Even USA is still using them ! Did you ever ask yourself why ?

Because USA cannot procure or produce FLanker ... That why :lol:
 
Wake up chill out , some black coffee ?
Cause its not your Nintendo game ?lolzz
If these were so good , then USA wouldn't has made any of RAPPTORS /F-35s wasting so much money on them ?


Why you not wake up ? For a long Time Russian Air Force has even was scared by German F4 ICE !

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The Su-35 is nothing more then a Su-27/30 that has different or better upgrades.

It´s the Same Platform nothing new and like the F-16 an Weapon of the Cold War Era.

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I would say you should go and find out how much F-16s are in the US Fleet.
 
Why you not wake up ? For a long Time Russian Air Force has even was scared by German F4 ICE !

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The Su-35 is nothing more then a Su-27/30 that has different or better upgrades.

It´s the Same Platform nothing new and like the F-16 an Weapon of the Cold War Era.

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I would say you should go and find out how much F-16s are in the US Fleet.
I think its too late , you better be going to the school by now ?lolzz
& we have enough of the F-16s , if not we & even USA should just have F-16s in their air force ?
Why bother to , make raptors & F-35 s ?
 
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China vows support for CPEC security
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RAWALPINDI: Chief of Army Staff General Raheel Sharif and Vice Chairman of Central Military Commission of China General Fan Changlong salute after laying a floral wreath at the Yadgar-i-Shuhada during the Chinese military leader’s visit to the General Headquarters on Thursday.—PPI
ISLAMABAD: China pledged on Thursday to support Pakistan on the security of China-Pakistan Economic Corridor.

“We look forward to close cooperation with Pakistan to ensure proper management and security of the CPEC,” Vice Chairman of Central Military Commission of China Gen Fan Changlong was quoted by ISPR as telling Army Chief Gen Raheel Sharif during a meeting at the General Headquarters.

Gen Fan is ranked third in the Chinese hierarchy.

The visit, which took place after a break of 11 years, aims to strengthen military-to-military relations and collaboration on regional peace and stability.

Gen Fan is leading a high-level delegation, which includes Sun Jianguo, Deputy Chief of General Staff of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA), and Zhu Fuxi, Political Commissar of the PLA Chengdu Military Area Command (MAC).

Chinese general visiting Pakistan to improve military-to-military ties
The two countries launched this year the $46 billion CPEC project, which connects Gwadar at the Arabian Sea with Xinjiang and includes energy, transportation, and infrastructure projects.

Security has emerged as a major concern in the execution of the project. The Frontier Works Organisation (FWO), which is constructing 870-kilometre road network in Balochistan as part of western route of the CPEC, has lost 25 of its workers — both military personnel and civilians — in about 200 security-related incidents since the start of the work on the road.

Pakistani officials believe that India has been threatening the project because it counterbalances its (Indian) plans for exploiting Chinese weakness in the Indian Ocean by blocking the Strait of Malacca in times of conflict.

Gen Fan, who travels to India after the Pakistan visit, stressed during his meeting at the GHQ that the CPEC was equally beneficial for both Pakistan and China and appreciated Pakistan’s efforts for maintaining its security.

Chinese official Rear Admiral Guan Youfei, while briefing media on Gen Fan’s visit, said that China would meet Pakistan army’s needs for CPEC protection.

The army is setting up a 10,000-strong special force to protect projects to be carried out under the CPEC and Chinese workers associated with them.

DEFENCE COOPERATION: Gen Fan assured his interlocutors that China would continue its defence cooperation with Pakistan.

“China and Pakistan are the best iron brothers, good friends and strategic partners. We share the tradition of mutual understanding, mutual trust and mutual support,” Gen Fan said.

China is Pakistan’s biggest military hardware supplier and it believes that bilateral defence and security cooperation needs to be deepened to enrich the strategic cooperation.

Admiral Youfei told journalists that China would continue its military supplies to Pakistan to enable it to maintain peace in the region.

He underscored that the bilateral defence cooperation was not against any country of the region.

COUNTER-TERRORISM: Military Commission’s Vice Chairman Gen Fan appreciated Pakistan’s successful military operations.

“China values efforts of the Pakistan Army in fighting East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM),” he noted.

The two countries consider ETIM as a common threat. The terrorist group, which previously had sanctuaries in North Waziristan, has been particularly targeted during the Operation Zarb-i-Azb.

Gen Fan later visited the Joint Staff Headquarters where he met the Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee, Gen Rashad Mehmood.

They reaffirmed the resolve to further enhance cooperation between their armed forces, a spokesman for Pakistan military said.

Gen Fan also called on Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif.

Published in Dawn, November 13th, 2015
 
Russia, China agree on $2 billion deal for 24 Su-35 warplanes
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MOSCOW: Russia and China have agreed on the sale of 24 advanced Sukhoi Su-35 fighters to Beijing, the Russian state holding Rostec said on Thursday.

The deal - which military experts say could be worth more than $2 billion - represents the first time a foreign state has purchased the Su-35.

A representative of Rostec, speaking to AFP, confirmed a deal had been reached but declined to give details on the price and timeframe for delivery.

Moscow and Beijing have reportedly been in talks about the sale for three years, with Chinese media reporting in 2013 that the country had agreed to their purchase.

Vasily Kashin, an expert at the Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, a leading military and security think tank in Moscow, estimated the deal to be worth more than $2 billion.

“It was the expected amount,” he told AFP.

Moscow and Beijing, which were rivals during the Cold War, have strengthened cooperation in recent years to counterbalance perceived dominance by the United States.

The sale will also help fill Russia's state coffers as its economy has been reeling from low oil prices and Western sanctions imposed over the Ukraine crisis.

Rostec head Sergei Chemezov told Russian media earlier this month that Moscow was in talks with the United Arab Emirates for the sale of Su-35s.

On its website, Sukhoi describes the Su-35 as an upgraded “fourth-generation” multirole fighter, which first flew as an experimental model in 2007, capable of delivering eight tonnes of ordnance.

Russia, China agree on $2 billion deal for 24 Su-35 warplanes - World - DAWN.COM

The big question is, is this a prelude to a possible Su-35 sale to Pakistan? Many pundits and big wigs on this and other forums have been also claiming that the China Su-35 deal is dead just like they have been saying that a possible Su-35 sale to Pakistan is wishful thinking.

Well they have now been proven wrong on one count. Will they be correct on Pakistan's case remains to be seen.
 
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Russia, China agree on $2 billion deal for 24 Su-35 warplanes
564dc0b7dfab3.jpg

MOSCOW: Russia and China have agreed on the sale of 24 advanced Sukhoi Su-35 fighters to Beijing, the Russian state holding Rostec said on Thursday.

The deal - which military experts say could be worth more than $2 billion - represents the first time a foreign state has purchased the Su-35.

A representative of Rostec, speaking to AFP, confirmed a deal had been reached but declined to give details on the price and timeframe for delivery.

Moscow and Beijing have reportedly been in talks about the sale for three years, with Chinese media reporting in 2013 that the country had agreed to their purchase.

Vasily Kashin, an expert at the Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, a leading military and security think tank in Moscow, estimated the deal to be worth more than $2 billion.

“It was the expected amount,” he told AFP.

Moscow and Beijing, which were rivals during the Cold War, have strengthened cooperation in recent years to counterbalance perceived dominance by the United States.

The sale will also help fill Russia's state coffers as its economy has been reeling from low oil prices and Western sanctions imposed over the Ukraine crisis.

Rostec head Sergei Chemezov told Russian media earlier this month that Moscow was in talks with the United Arab Emirates for the sale of Su-35s.

On its website, Sukhoi describes the Su-35 as an upgraded “fourth-generation” multirole fighter, which first flew as an experimental model in 2007, capable of delivering eight tonnes of ordnance.

Russia, China agree on $2 billion deal for 24 Su-35 warplanes - World - DAWN.COM

The big question is, is this a prelude to a possible Su-35 sale to Pakistan? Many pundits and big wigs on this and other forums have been also claiming that the China Su-35 deal is dead just like they have been saying that a possible Su-35 sale to Pakistan is wishful thinking.

Well they have now been proven wrong on one count. Will they be correct on Pakistan's case remains to be seen.

There is a rumor for quiet long now that China will give the Su-35 to PAF if they bought it.....

Still why China just went for just 24? they can buy it in quiet large numbers though.... Can't Pakistan spare 2 Billion Dollars for 24 jets? we signed 5 billion dollar deal of Subs with China
 
There is a rumor for quiet long now that China will give the Su-35 to PAF if they bought it.....

Still why China just went for just 24? they can buy it in quiet large numbers though.... Can't Pakistan spare 2 Billion Dollars for 24 jets? we signed 5 billion dollar deal of Subs with China
I am just waiting to see few big shots & their posts if it happens ?
& I belive its about to happen ,anyways !lolzz
Its coming !

Russia, China agree on $2 billion deal for 24 Su-35 warplanes
564dc0b7dfab3.jpg

MOSCOW: Russia and China have agreed on the sale of 24 advanced Sukhoi Su-35 fighters to Beijing, the Russian state holding Rostec said on Thursday.

The deal - which military experts say could be worth more than $2 billion - represents the first time a foreign state has purchased the Su-35.

A representative of Rostec, speaking to AFP, confirmed a deal had been reached but declined to give details on the price and timeframe for delivery.

Moscow and Beijing have reportedly been in talks about the sale for three years, with Chinese media reporting in 2013 that the country had agreed to their purchase.

Vasily Kashin, an expert at the Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, a leading military and security think tank in Moscow, estimated the deal to be worth more than $2 billion.

“It was the expected amount,” he told AFP.

Moscow and Beijing, which were rivals during the Cold War, have strengthened cooperation in recent years to counterbalance perceived dominance by the United States.

The sale will also help fill Russia's state coffers as its economy has been reeling from low oil prices and Western sanctions imposed over the Ukraine crisis.

Rostec head Sergei Chemezov told Russian media earlier this month that Moscow was in talks with the United Arab Emirates for the sale of Su-35s.

On its website, Sukhoi describes the Su-35 as an upgraded “fourth-generation” multirole fighter, which first flew as an experimental model in 2007, capable of delivering eight tonnes of ordnance.

Russia, China agree on $2 billion deal for 24 Su-35 warplanes - World - DAWN.COM

The big question is, is this a prelude to a possible Su-35 sale to Pakistan? Many pundits and big wigs on this and other forums have been also claiming that the China Su-35 deal is dead just like they have been saying that a possible Su-35 sale to Pakistan is wishful thinking.

Well they have now been proven wrong on one count. Will they be correct on Pakistan's case remains to be seen.
Its nearly a heart attack to all of those who thought its been dead ?lolzz
 
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