T-129B Helicopter ready to take on the Apache and Super Cobra

[LegionnairE]

I'm no armament expert but why do u see wires outside the helicopter?

It's a prototype, so it's normal for her to have more sensors.

 

[Oldman1]

Main flaw with Apache's design is that it was made solely for anti-armor role during cold war period. Greece has AH64Ds and due to high maintenance costs their combat readiness levels are below %50 despite all the money that was spent. They are harder and much pricey to operate.

Armies in these days spend most of their days during peace times. Logistics do matter.

The Apache was designed for pretty much anything you want to throw it at. Are you saying the T 129 can't take on tanks and other armor vehicles based on 21st century conflicts? The Apache has shown it can fight conventional and unconventional warfare. And to say its an old machine you have the new Block 3 version and theres no reason to reinvent the wheel.

Bigger the helicopter gets easier to hit.This ain't no rocket science. And heavier the armor gets slower to move. More enginepower is required=more heat.

It's like killing a bee with a sledgehammer. AH64's 30mm chaingun is very inaccurate and an overkill. M230 itself was designed to cut through armor. Don't play smartass with me. I didn't say it can't kill infantry it wasn't designed to play with infantry.

Your helicopter is not much smaller than the Apache and the 30 mm gun is not a sniper rifle. Is the T129's gun much more accurate than the Apache? And to say it was not design to kill infantry who cares and the enemy infantry will disagree with you on its lethality and good accuracy enough to fear it. With its new engines it can fly faster and higher ceiling than the old version.

 

[LegionnairE]

The Apache was designed for pretty much anything you want to throw it at. Are you saying the T 129 can't take on tanks and other armor vehicles based on 21st century conflicts? The Apache has shown it can fight conventional and unconventional warfare. And to say its an old machine you have the new Block 3 version and theres no reason to reinvent the wheel.



Your helicopter is not much smaller than the Apache and the 30 mm gun is not a sniper rifle. Is the T129's gun much more accurate than the Apache? And to say it was not design to kill infantry who cares and the enemy infantry will disagree with you on its lethality and good accuracy enough to fear it. With its new engines it can fly faster and higher ceiling than the old version.

I'm saying threats have changed apache was meant to fly over a battleground full with thousands of tanks. Which isn't the case anymore. The helicopter won't be sprayed by DShKs having a slim body like cobra is way better for an attack helicopter today. Block 3 avionics upgrades came with some serious advancemets that much it's true but it's technical characteristics are pretty much the same.

And yeah T129s M197 gun is much more accurate you can actually shoot at targets that are closer to your men. And less load for helicopter to carry.

 

[explorer9]

So Turkey seems to be new big entrant in global arms market!

 

[Deno]

So Turkey seems to be new big entrant in global arms market!

After we start to produce Altay, T-129, Frigates and +6000 Frigate/Destroyers, ANKA and other naval vessels what you said will become reality but we are not even close to considered as big entrant

Korea could be considered as big entrant but not Turkey. Maybe after 2017

 

[Targon]

In next decade probably

 

[500]

Bigger the helicopter gets easier to hit.This ain't no rocket science.

Nonsense. For Shilka or MANPADS there is no any difference between T-129 and Ah-64.

And heavier the armor gets slower to move.

Apache is faster and more agile, esp at high altitudes.

More enginepower is required=more heat.

Apache mixes air and reduces heat.

AH64's 30mm chaingun is very inaccurate

Its very accurate.

and an overkill.

Not at all, when you need to kill behind a wall or trenched infantry 30-mm is minimum what u need.

 

[Killuminati]

Apache is faster and more agile, esp at high altitudes.
Apache mixes air and reduces heat.
Its very accurate.
Not at all, when you need to kill behind a wall or trenched infantry 30-mm is minimum what u need.

Apache that cant pull up its fat a** :

Apache shooted down by a farmer with ak47

The superior Apache:

 

[Saithan]

I came across this youtube video, and thought it was a very interesting movie. I wonder if you guys agree on the to 10 and their placements.

10 Best Attack Helicopters in the World - 2012 - YouTube

 

[Targon]

Nothing is indestructable, so I don't think those pics prove anything.

Why we have to compare after all ? if its fits our demands, comparing it with other helis is meaningless, talking from the spesifications, its a pretty good heli and fits our demands.

 

[BordoEnes]

Trolling can never proof a point, Its a fact that Apache is better then T-129 in every way. There is no comparrison between Apache and T-129 since the Apache is a heavy attack Helo built to take out entire Tank Battalions while the T-129 is a Light Attack Helo more suitable for Hunting Down Terrorists insurgances. Killuminate stop your trolling and get a life will ya. The only thing that comes close to Apache capability and will be a match would be the Mil-Mi 28 Havoc and Ka-50/52. A Modified Ka-50/52 variant was offered to Turkey but there was no need for such a attack helo in Turkey, The T-129 is a really good helicopter and more then enough for Turkey. Although i wouldnt mind having a couple Apaches or Havocs

Kamov Ka-50 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Mil Mi-28 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Killuminati]

Trolling can never proof a point, Its a fact that Apache is better then T-129 in every way. There is no comparrison between Apache and T-129 since the Apache is a heavy attack Helo built to take out entire Tank Battalions while the T-129 is a Light Attack Helo more suitable for Hunting Down Terrorists insurgances. Killuminate stop your trolling and get a life will ya. The only thing that comes close to Apache capability and will be a match would be the Mil-Mi 28 Havoc and Ka-50/52. A Modified Ka-50/52 variant was offered to Turkey but there was no need for such a attack helo in Turkey, The T-129 is a really good helicopter and more then enough for Turkey. Although i wouldnt mind having a couple Apaches or Havocs

Kamov Ka-50 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Mil Mi-28 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ofc we know that the Apache is a better helicopter (in theory) but in practice there is no big difference at all. The one can carry double up the anti tank missiles, has 30mm cannon and is a bit faster ( on long range). But some Stinger attacks or heavy AA will take out Apache easy. So no need to make it very big in front of our eyes.

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[BordoEnes]

Ofc we know that the Apache is a better helicopter (in theory) but in practice there is no big difference at all. The one can carry double up the anti tank missiles, has 30mm cannon and is a bit faster ( on long range). But some Stinger attacks or heavy AA will take out Apache easy. So no need to make it very big in front of our eyes.

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How shortminded and naive of you, If you think mutli million attack helos just can be taking out like that with a AA system, Then you dont belong here. They have several counter measures against such threaths, Flairs for example. The Apache has proven himself over and over again how it avoided threaths and destroyed objectives easely in Afghanistan, Desert Storm and Freedom Iraqi. The Apache is a proven platform thats just how it is and no trolling of your isnt going to change that.

 

[mehmeTcc]

Ofc we know that the Apache is a better helicopter (in theory) but in practice there is no big difference at all. The one can carry double up the anti tank missiles, has 30mm cannon and is a bit faster ( on long range). But some Stinger attacks or heavy AA will take out Apache easy. So no need to make it very big in front of our eyes.

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Tamam abi kızma

Killumunati is right. Apache is overkill for today's battle doctrines. Regular armies are no longer maintaining huge tank forces.

 

[BordoEnes]

Tamam abi kızma

Killumunati is right. Apache is overkill for today's battle doctrines. Regular armies are no longer maintaining huge tank forces.

Not even close of truth. Have you ever checked out the Tank fleet of our neighbours and enemies in the region? Syrias tank fleet may be old and outdated but they number in the thousands! Although war is not likely, I believe we should get a small number of Apaches or Havocs.

Sure its a overkill when it involves fighting terrorist in mountains but when it comes at taking out heavy armours in huge numbers, Apache is your toy.