T-129 Atak & Turkish Attack Helicopter Programs

[xxxKULxxx]

That's so cool...

This is also...

 

[waz]

I found what ?!.

KALE's automatic 40 mm grenade launcher as an alternative for 20 mm gun for T-129...

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I'd stick with the gun, missiles can do the rest i.e. large concentrations of PKK or armour in the event of war.

I can't wait to see this is in Pakistani service. 20mm gating gun ripping apart the Taliban.

Proud of you guys, keep it up.

 

[cabatli_53]

At Atak documentary that TAI introduced to participants;

The accuracy of 20mm gun on dedicated target is impressive. Recoil effect of 20mm gun on stable hanging Atak is minimized When It is compared with first firing trials and Dispersion of 70mm unguided rockets at direct salvo is also make me happy. It is now more clear that ATAK team is developed an impressive rotor craft and It is understood that T129 Atak will be a true nightmare of terrorists. I believe The rotor sound of that copter will be more than enough to shake them with fear in following years.


BTW, The response time of 20mm turret to Aselsan AVCI helmet is really fast. Aselsan's hybrid direction control system on helmet is doing its work fast and perfect...

 

[VelocuR]

Pakistan should purchase this amazing helicopters instead lousy overweight Russian Mi-35s.

 

[Kompromat]

Pakistan should purchase this amazing helicopters instead lousy overweight Russian Mi-35s.

Mi-35 is a flying IFV. The philosophy behind it is purely COIN as it is the perfect solution when you need to blast your way in and deliver a small SOF team, then blast your way in and pick them back up, while sustaining the beating.

 

[VelocuR]

Mi-35 is a flying IFV. The philosophy behind it is purely COIN as it is the perfect solution when you need to blast your way in and deliver a small SOF team, then blast your way in and pick them back up, while sustaining the beating.

Just use our Mi17s along with AH-1F Cobras, our soldiers are doing great job so far in Northern areas.

Save money for these T-129s, I don't see benefits of Mi-35s.

 

[Kompromat]

Just use our Mi17s along with AH-1F Cobras, our soldiers are doing great job so far in Northern areas.

Save money for these T-129s, I don't see benefits of Mi-35s.

Cobras cannot take the beating, plain and simple.

 

[TeaParty]

B1 variant have not got any structural differences than A -Atak but addition payload electronic warfare devices such as radar jamming system, laser warning device, radar warning device...etc (like an real fighter) plus domestic missiles Mizrak-U and Cirit.

Mr. Dortkasli stated out that, (Latest 21 T-129 Atak will be manufactured B2 variant), The take-off weight of B2 is planned to be increased between %5-%10 (max. 500kg), While new generation avionic systems/hardwares will be connected(!) to gain aprox. %50 lighter weight of current A version's avionics. Such efforts will make B2 to be able to carry more weapon payload and gained increased range. The Nose section will be re-designed/quite longer than standart A and B1 versions.

@cabatli_53 T129A may be upgraded to the B1 version because there is only electronic devices, no structural changes but T129A and T129B1 version can be upgraded to the B2 version? You know there is an upgrade plan? Thanks

 

[[TR]AHMET]

Vatana millete hayırlı olsun!

 

[mehmet75]

You are talking about at least 15 years later. Of course there will be over hull modernisation then. That b1/b2 transition can be made in that modernisation.

 

[xxxKULxxx]

You are talking about at least 15 years later. Of course there will be over hull modernisation then. That b1/b2 transition can be made in that modernisation.

I think it won't take 15 years... IMO 4-5 years to produce all of the requests... While serial production of T-129B1s are going on, they can also start to design and produce prototype of T-129B2 with longer nose section...

 

[mehmet75]

If we plan to export it, our ones will be slower. The important thing is to keep production-line alive as much as longer untill to the next generation atack helo.. for this goal you must spread the full production to at least 30 years. We will have 90 , and lets say export 90 more. It makes 180 total helicopters. 30 years / 180 makes : 1 helicopter for 2 months ... 6 helicopters per year. 3 for us, 3 for export....

sign: calculator man....

 

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[zaidrockx]

History:

The ATAK Helicopter Program first started in October 1996, with the aim of providing the Turkish Land Forces Command with 51 firm and 41 optional Attack/Tactical Reconnaissance helicopters, was cancelled by the Undersecretariat for Defence Industries Executive Committee decision dated 14 May 2004. The ATAK Helicopter Program aims to provide the Turkish Land Forces Command with an Attack/Tactical Reconnaissance helicopter that will be; customized according to user needs, produced and provided with integrated logistics support.


The Undersecretariat for Defence Industries (SSM) published a new Request for Proposal (RFP) on 10 February 2005 and re-opened bidding for the ATAK Helicopter Program. AgustaWestland, Eurocopter, KAMOV and Denel submitted bids in response to the new RFP. The Undersecretariat for Defence Industries Executive Committee announced AgustaWestland as the winning bidder after its meeting on 30 March 2007. Subsequently TAI, SSM, ASELSAN and AgustaWestland stared contract negotiations. The negotiations were finalized on 27 August 2007 and the contract was signed on 7 September 2007.


The planned duration of the ATAK Program is 114 months from Contract Effectivity with T-129 ATAK Helicopter qualification planned for 58 months and delivery of the first serial production helicopter planned for 60 months after Contract Effectivity. Delivery of the first 7 helicopters to the customer will be once every two months, with the remaining helicopters being delivered once a month, with the last ATAK Helicopter being delivered to the customer at 114 months from Contract Effectivity.

With the Collaboration Agreement signed with AgustaWestland, TAI shall have;

· Intellectual property rights of the new configuration of the helicopter

· Sole sourcing rights in the world for the fuselage, including Final Assembly and Flight Operations

· Sales rights for the whole world excluding Italy and England


-T-129 Atak Electronic warfare self-protection System (ASES);

ASES has been designed to protect large, special mission aircraft and may be modified for helicopters. Integrated with an EW Central Management Unit (CMU), ASES provides for radar and missile warning, Situational Awareness (SA) and chaff/flare dispensing. The system provides a high level of protection, coupled with minimum workload for the crew.

ASES, as an integrated EW Self-Protection System (SPS), receives information from associated sub-systems, makes a threat assessment (detection, classification and identification) and decides on the most suitable countermeasures to defeat the radar and/or missile threat. ASES provides an advanced Human Machine Interface (HMI) with multifunction display support, indicative audio warnings and alerts, in-flight event recording, single-point Mission Data File (MDF) download and mission report upload, NVIS compatibility and GPS/INS integration.

ASES is supported on the ground by an ASES SW Support Station, which facilitates MDF preparation before the mission and post-mission data analysis via playback of the recorded mission events on a digital geographical map.
ASES incorporates the following sub-systems:
• Central Management Unit (CMU)
• Cockpit Control and Display Unit (CCDU)
• Memory Loading Unit (MLU)
• Missile Warning System (MWS)
• Radar Warning Receiver (RWR)
• Counter Measures Dispensing System (CMDS).
ASES is integrated around a MIL-STD-1553 architecture, with CCDU interface via ARINC-429. Currently, ASES is integrated with the AN/AAR-60 MILDS (MWS), AN/ALE-47 (CMDS), SPS-45 (RWR).
The inherent flexibility of the system architecture facilitates customising according to requirement.

nice discussuion

 

[xxxKULxxx]

If we plan to export it, our ones will be slower. The important thing is to keep production-line alive as much as longer untill to the next generation atack helo.. for this goal you must spread the full production to at least 30 years. We will have 90 , and lets say export 90 more. It makes 180 total helicopters. 30 years / 180 makes : 1 helicopter for 2 months ... 6 helicopters per year. 3 for us, 3 for export....

sign: calculator man....

hehe, nice calculation... But i don't think so... For example TAI will deliver all 109 T-70s untill 2021... T-129 program is far ahead T-70 program...

Also 6 T-129 per year is too few...

"İlk etapta 109 helikopter 2021’e kadar teslim edilecek."

Genel Maksat Helikopteri T-70 Türkiye’de üretilecek