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Syria could be Turkey’s Vietnam

The recent polls have repeatedly shown that the Turkish public opinion is strongly opposed to any military intervention in Syria. The curious part is that this opinion is present even within the ruling party, AKP, despite PM Recep Erdogan’s “forward policy” toward Syria.

The prominent Islamist daily Zaman, which is identified with the AKP’s ideological guru Fethullah Gulen (living in exile in the United States), has been lately featuring articles warning Erdogan from going overboard over the Syrian situation. Zaman’s exclusive interview today with former Turkish FM Yasar Yakis becomes highly significant.

Yakis is a highly respected former diplomat with deep experience in the Middle East affairs; in fact, he could be considered as one of Turkey’s best “Arabists”, having served as ambassador to Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Syria. Most important, he is an MP belonging to the AKP and he is considered close to President Abdullah Gul (who in a meaningful recent remark described the Syrian situation as a “civil war”).

Yakis’ expert opinion is that Syria could turn out to be Turkey’s “Vietnam”. He rubbishes the idea of a “safe zone” within Syria adjacent to the Turkish border because that region is Kurdish-dominated and Turkish troops will have to be stationed there right inside Syria for that zone to be kept “free”.

But, Yakis warns, Syrian Kurds will inflict a million cuts on the Turkish soldiers deployed there, who will increasingly find themselves trapped in a quagmire.Yakis flags the danger of Syria’s fragmentation. Interestingly, he sees western intervention in Syria as unlikely. A Mitt Romney administration in the US might begin to supply arms to the Syrian rebels, but not otherwise.

His warns against “proxy wars”; these wars will be fought on the basis of the respective interests of outside powers — that is, it is entirely up to Turkey to coolly weigh where its interests would lie even if it were to act in concert with the US. Yakis’ interview is here.

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Turkey should readjust its policies in Syria, says Yakış

Regarding Turkey's foreign policy in the Middle East and particularly in Syria, Yaşar Yakış, a former minister of foreign affairs and the president of the Center for Strategic Communication (STRATİM), told Today's Zaman that “Turkey should make an adjustment to its foreign policy route just like the captain of a ship would.” Yakış, who is also a retired ambassador and the country's longest-serving diplomat in the Middle East, added that "you cannot insist on a policy just because it was a part of your foreign policy in the past. Each new situation requires an adjustment in foreign policy because if the captain of a ship holds the steering wheel in a constant position, the ship changes its direction due to external factors.”

“Turkey took part on the right side of history [when] a dictator was confronted by his people, but while doing this our actions went beyond the actions of other actors and destroyed all bridges with the regime.” He claims that in Syria Turkey acted with the motivation of “not repeating the mistake it made in Libya, where it expressed misgivings regarding the relevance of the NATO operation, and he went on to say: “The Western countries encouraged us, but then put on the brakes because of a fear that fundamentalists could take over in Syria. Turkey was caught off guard and remained alone, in the offside position.”

Commenting on a statement that Syria might become Turkey's Vietnam if involved, Yakış gives a conditional response, saying, “If Turkey becomes involved, it might become a Vietnam for Turkey as some argue, but if it stays away, there is no such danger,” as he strongly recommends Turkey “act with caution,” while hoping that it would not become involved at all.

Referring to internal and external encouragement for Turkey to establish a “secure zone in Syria,” Yakış warns against the possible dangers of the deployment of Turkish soldiers in a Kurdish and Arab region. “Most of the secure zone will be in the Kurdish regions of Syria. Both because of the PKK's [Kurdistan Workers' Party] existence there and the fact that the current regime is hostile to Turkey, it would be wrong for Turkish soldiers to enter Syria. If they did, it is almost impossible to come back with success.” He also directs attention to the ambiguity around the term “secure zone” as he comments that even if established, soldiers from overseas should protect it. “In Sinai, for example, there are Guatemalan soldiers,” he said, supporting his argument.

Yakış, who served in Syria as a diplomat between 1980 and 1984, argues that Assad acted like a chess player and gave Turkey a message when “he withdrew his forces from the Kurdish populated northeast portion of Syria -- called al-Hasakah -- and left it to Kurds.” According to Yakış, “It is safe to assume that this may have contributed to the increasing PKK terrorism in Turkey lately.”

In response to a question over whether Kurds had gained a historic opportunity in the region, Yakış says, “This ideal, an independent Kurdish state, exists in the mind of every Kurd.” The former foreign minister added that “Kurds are the most well-organized group in Syria who would take advantage of the situation there if thing get worse.”

If chaos lingers, there is the risk of the dissolution of Syria, and it is not only Kurds who would have their autonomy, says Yakış.

“When the Ottomans withdrew from Syria in 1921, France established six autonomous republics: Damascus, Aleppo, Jabal Druze, Jabal Lebanon, Alexandretta and Jabal Alawite. Now, a Kurdish region has been added to that. There is a base for such separation,” he said.

However, according to Yakış, international intervention is less than likely. “The international community may never be involved in Syria. The US might or might not become involved [after the election] because Americans do not want their sons to die there.” He further comments that “what matters in terms of the US election results is whether or not the country will start providing lethal weapons to Syria or not.”Yakış, stating that countries will decide on Syria based on their own interests, warned against “proxy wars” in which the Syrian people would continue to die while others clash for power. “If Turkey and the US are more involved, it would be a proxy war not only for them, but also France, Russia and Iran would be a part of such proxy wars,” he claims.

Based on his long diplomatic vocation, Yakış points out that “foreign policy aims are moving targets,” calling on Turkey to adapt its policies to the changing conditions, especially in Syria. According to Yakış, “the biggest difference in Syria is that now the low intensity civil war seems to be leaning towards becoming chronic.”

http://www.todayszaman.com/newsDetail_openPrintPage.action?newsId=295417
 
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Turkey is not going into Asad land by itself and i don't see any country willing to do that right now.
 
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we shouldnt waste our resources , assad will fall early or later
 
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Many of these people asking Turkey to readjust its policy and action also saying arming FSA and bringing AQ fighters and creating safe heaven inside Syria will also come back to bite Turkey. There is already growing sign of PKK activities. For example, today Turkey helping and giving FSA MANPAD and capturing Syrian SAM site, what if tomorrow if those same weapons showed up to bring down Turkish jet? Turkey could not say much but blame itself, just like US has learned hard way in Libya.

Erdogan in the name of "zero problem with neighbor" created historic animosity with Iraq, Syria and Iran as well. When zions and other enemy will come to look for Ottoman relics in modern day Turkey none of these neighbors will be available to help Turkey. And if Turkish people has any doubt they just need to look at resolution US and France passed and what zions are cooking. And NATO membership is not a safeguard.
 
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Yeah, that could be....... hope they can find a peaceful solution for this issue .
 
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we shouldnt waste our resources , assad will fall early or later

I don't want Assad to fall; I don't want Hezbollah to fall and I don't want Iran to fall. Long live the resistance front. It's not about wasting "resources"; it's about innocent human lives and justice. Who gives a damn about resources? Maybe you, certainly not me. I couldn't care less about our "resources" when human lives are involved...
 
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Not true. Unlike Vietnam war, Syria war is entirely sectarian in nature.
 
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I agree with the scenario.

Turkey is fighting a bloody war with the Kurds. Syria can start arming the Kurds and giving them save havens in Syria, while Hezbollah, Iran and Russia pour weapons into Syria to fight the FSA.

Sunni Powers like Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Turkey backed by the West will arm the rebels.

The Middle East hasn't been this interesting since 1917.
 
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Many of these people asking Turkey to readjust its policy and action also saying arming FSA and bringing AQ fighters and creating safe heaven inside Syria will also come back to bite Turkey. There is already growing sign of PKK activities. For example, today Turkey helping and giving FSA MANPAD and capturing Syrian SAM site, what if tomorrow if those same weapons showed up to bring down Turkish jet? Turkey could not say much but blame itself, just like US has learned hard way in Libya.

Erdogan in the name of "zero problem with neighbor" created historic animosity with Iraq, Syria and Iran as well. When zions and other enemy will come to look for Ottoman relics in modern day Turkey none of these neighbors will be available to help Turkey. And if Turkish people has any doubt they just need to look at resolution US and France passed and what zions are cooking. And NATO membership is not a safeguard.

Turkey has many internal faultlines, so it is natural there is a diversity of views in Turkey as showin in OP.

Anthony Cordesman published an article recently about deploying MANPADs and other smart guided weapons with kill switch:
https://csis.org/publication/syria-us-power-projection-and-search-equalizer

So giving such weapons as "equalizers" to FSA and avoiding handing them out to hardcore Islamists is the only sure way to bring this conflict to a close. The delay now is due to the US election. As soon as the election is over, there is an expectation that the decision will be made by the countries allied with Syrian rebels to deploy these smart weapons, with the kill switch option.

And no Syria is not going to be Vietnam for Turkey, because Turkish forces do not need to cross the border, the FSA and other rebel groups are sufficient to do the job, provided the US and other allied nations make a decision to deploy these "equalizer" weapons and hand them out to appropriate and responsible rebel groups.

Vietnam is on the other side of the planet from USA, Turkey is next door, so the comparison is foolish and pointless to begin with.
 
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Turkey has many internal faultlines, so it is natural there is a diversity of views in Turkey as showin in OP.

But Turkish politicians can not ignore growing public opinion of stay away from Syrian war.

Anthony Cordesman published an article recently about deploying MANPADs and other smart guided weapons with kill switch:
https://csis.org/publication/syria-us-power-projection-and-search-equalizer

So giving such weapons as "equalizers" to FSA and avoiding handing them out to hardcore Islamists is the only sure way to bring this conflict to a close.

I think you completely missed the point that PKK can be armed same way by Syria and other parties to bring down Turkish AC. And if that distribution extends elsewhere against NATO this "kill switch" will have no value for propaganda or for real.

The delay now is due to the US election. As soon as the election is over, there is an expectation that the decision will be made by the countries allied with Syrian rebels to deploy these smart weapons, with the kill switch option.

Contrary to your optimism, analysts and strategists on middle east and in west think otherwise for such level of engagement. For such strategic level engagement risks are greater for all these FSA lovers. Even with such level of engagement it will be bloody and protracted war that neither Turkey, Saudis or west can afford. We are not talking about money only. But lets see how this installment of your optimism on FSA pans out because last one did not come true.

Vietnam is on the other side of the planet from USA, Turkey is next door, so the comparison is foolish and pointless to begin with.

Right and terrorist inside Syria will be sleeping tight with such assurance.
 
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Syria is assad's Libya (except the rebels getting no help from NATO but getting blocked instead).
 
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Syria is assad's Libya (except the rebels getting no help from NATO but getting blocked instead).

Syrian Forces are 10 times stronger than Libyan Forces.
Syria has Biological and Chemical Weapons where as Libya did not.
Syria is a toxic mix of ethnic and sectarian strife while Libya had none.
Syrian Rebels control no significant territory where as Libyan rebels ruled over half of Libya.
Syria is being helped by China, Iran and Russia where as no country helped Libya.
 
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Syrian Forces are 10 times stronger than Libyan Forces.
Syria has Biological and Chemical Weapons where as Libya did not.
Syria is a toxic mix of ethnic and sectarian strife while Libya had none.
Syrian Rebels control no significant territory where as Libyan rebels ruled over half of Libya.
Syria is being helped by China, Iran and Russia where as no country helped Libya.

I think you have put your finger on Syrian adventure has been failed so far. One other fact is contrary to propaganda minorities who accounts for 35-40% (what I understood) supports Assad and even within Sunnis large percentage supports Assad not because he has been nice but he provides order and peace otherwise would have been nightmare with FSA types.
 
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We know Shia Muslims in all countries are Iran lovers and Shia lovers and according to them Assad can do no wrong. There is a tiny minority of 50,000 Shia in Bangladesh among around 140 million Sunni Muslims. In Pakistan the number is higher at around 10-15% and they are highly educated and quite vocal on the web and forums like these. But they do not represent the vast majority of their country and their people's opinion.

That should put all these fire works and propaganda to rest.
 
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Syrian Forces are 10 times stronger than Libyan Forces.
Syria has Biological and Chemical Weapons where as Libya did not.
Syria is a toxic mix of ethnic and sectarian strife while Libya had none.
Syrian Rebels control no significant territory where as Libyan rebels ruled over half of Libya.
Syria is being helped by China, Iran and Russia where as no country helped Libya.

All of that and yet he is getting his butt kicked by civilians armed with RPG's and AK47's , funny ain't it? ;)
 
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