Sticking your head into the tiger's mouth to check if he will bite it off is a dangerous game to play.
Surgical strike was fake, we lost conventional deterrence against Pakistan, India not ready for war
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Lucky Breeze
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And parveen sawhney is a dilusionizer.
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He mentioned all capabilities of Pakistan, but he didn't mention the Indian capabilities. I don't know, but I was not easy when he was praising and highlighting only Pakistans capabilities, specially targeted on three important institutions.
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Yeah for sure...from the horse mouth.
https://indianexpress.com/article/i...ase-better-than-ours-army-vice-chief-4766949/
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If India is not ready, then you don't have to start this thread. You are starting this thread mean you want to take some timeout. But the truth is, both forces are ready, and this actually a bad news for the people of this region. I mean we must stop this madness right now. Let's make Jammu and Kashmir a free nation.
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A deal was put on hold to ensure best deal for ITALIAN GANG... and I'm talking about Rafale...
I have witnessed HAL Lucknow employees enjoying in canteen (for hours) during working hours... cannot even imagine that in a private sector entity...
And now things are changing... I never imagined that Pakistan will run to UN on Kashmir... it was always India... crying in UN on terrorism... I'm seeing a completely different environment in India in upcoming 5 years... several private entities are in the game and innovations are prime focus...
Kamov-226 : No Idia
MMRCA : new contract... EF, Rafale, f-18 front runner... cost and geopolitics will play decisive role... IAF wants Rafale...
Super Sukhoi : India is not going for Russian systems... armaments will be of Russian origin... you will not heard anything about upgrade untill MMRCA ToT and Uttam Radar are developed...
S-400 : yes it was delayed due to US...
Rafale : 36 are procured... if not chosen (very unlikely) for MMRCA, 36 more would be ordered...
Tejas MK1A : Price negotiations are done... several upgrades are successfully tested...
Do you know that the ongoing trials of naval version of Tejas are just to validate the systems for MK2 and AMCA NAVAL...
It'll take time to optimize any new platform and work out how it'll do in India's doctrine. Whatever the case it's a signed deal and they're coming on board. I dont know wtf AK Antony and congress would've done.
And I dont know what you mean on paper - cause they're already flying in IAF colors
A team of IAF pilots and technicians are already getting trained in France for swift induction... they will hit the ground running...
Problem with FGFA is the unwillingness of Russia to share the technological know how with India... and just taking money from India in the name of joint development... therefore, India found it better to walkout from the deal...
The main issue raised by the GoI was after sales service and availability of spares... and Russians are building an eco-system for same in India... Plus HAL is ready with LUH...
UPA 1 and 2 are the most corrupt government I have seen in my life... they put dummies at forefront (like MMS and AK) and looted the country with both hands...
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Only retards like you think educated people know anything. Intelligent people know, not educated ones. Even idiots can be educated.
Secondly, India is not ready for war to avoid causing panic in other countries and hence continue with the current global economy. If India needs to be ready, India can be ready. But it is ill advised as if now.
It is irrelevant whether private sector is there ir not. India is capable of war but chooses to not increase its arms procurement. Wars are always fought on Indigenous resources and technology. India has sufficient technology indigenously like Su30 and Tejas, artillery, MPATGM, nuclear submarine, missiles, satellites etc. But India doesn't have Petroleum. This means that yo be ready for war, first thing India will have to do is start coal liquefaction. If India does that, Middle eastern countries and Pakistan will panic and hence India is not intentionally using coal liquefaction. Without coal liquefaction, India will.not have indigenous fuel to fight war and hence nearby rivals can be assured if peace.
What is critical in these? Critical procurement is where critical technology is involved. Things like SSN submarine, Indigenous diesel submarine, MWF and Rafale indigenisation, ATGM, artillery etc.
India can't simply magically make these technology development. Even if developed, they have to undergo user trials in vigorous condition which will take time. India can use half baked items but doesn't see the urgency in doing so by compromising reliability for speed.
India is doing the best it can to develop absolutely robust defence equipments and indigenisation and hence chooses to go slow and steady yo ensure reliability.
Low IQ people like you shouldn't talk nonsense. Talking of imported items as some critical need is extremely stupid. War requires quantity and that can come only with indigenisation. India as of now has one generation older items and hence wants to get latest items indigenised instead of adjusting with whatever it has just for speed. This is causing slowness.
Rafale is slowly procured as India wants 100% indigenisation and fitting of Kaveri engine in Rafale. France has agreed to it (France had fitted F404 in Rafale in 1990s and hence can fit Kaveri now) bit is taking time. This is not foolish delay but quite intelligent one. Similarly S400 has some technology transfer and not simply another import. This again takes time.
India doesn't intend to be ready for war as of now bit only be operationally ready for limited skirmish. This is because of international understanding about the panic that may be caused by Indian buildups and trigger preemptive attack or destabilisation of middle east oil supply.
The biggest insurance that Middle east have about Indian non-aggression is that India has not started coal Liquefaction. More than any equipment, it is the fuel that will be most critical in war. So, as long as India doesn't start coal liquefaction, one can simply discount the possibility of India arming up for war.
Indian objectives is yo simply get time without any sabotage and will respond proportionally to any aggression. Only if India notices big build ups, India will go for full war preparation.
India has completed Kaveri engine and it can have 52kN dry and 81kN wet thrust. France has audited it and cleared it for flight testing to prove its reliability. India can replace F404 with Kaveri by losing about 300-400kg of payload carrying ability in Tejas. India can still have payload of 3.5 ton pn Tejas with Kaveri engine, down from current 4ton. But that is still good enough to fight. India intends to completely stop Tejas MK1 and go for MWF in future with Indigenous 110kN engine. So, India doesn't want to spend extra time fitting Kaveri when the program is anyway nearing and end after 123 plane production
India doesn't get any high end technology from USA. Only important item India gets from USA is F404 and now Kaveri is complete and hence even that threat is minimal. Moreover, India gets some technology transfer from S400. Indian NSA has told that India doesn't buy any imported arms without technology transfer. So, the deal is not simply purchase of some toys
There is a difference between operational preparedness and preparedness to invade and for war of attrition. Both countries are prepared in proportion to each other's preparation in terms of quantity. But India won't go for full preparation and risk panicking middle east and hence risk oil supply and global economy.
There is nothing to gloat about India not being prepared for war or nothing yo be ashamed of. The situation today is mainly dependent on oil trade and hence one has to tread with caution. Oil is concentrated disproportionately in Arabs area and hence some restraint will be shown out of respect for the oil, not respect for the people
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Modhitler is planning for war.
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How much is your fuel reserves. Do you have money to buy fuel. War is a very fuel hungry activity.
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why dont you go ahead and ask KSA regarding fuel supply to Pakistan in case of war
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Don't deflect and change the goal post...
How much is India's strategic fuel reserves.
As for Pak.
The Petroleum Division has decided to maintain diesel reserves for 45 days and refineries will keep intact the supply chain of jet fuels other than the strategic reserves and more importantly, top management of the PSO has put their commercial oil reserves at the disposal of the forces. Other private oil marketing companies (OMCs) will also put their stocks at forces disposal.
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/43...e-smooth-fuel-supply-to-armed-forces-prepared
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