Suprising Pakistan. Are Things Really Changing?

[darkinsky]

1 - You do get equal representation in Federal. Anything which has to do with a province cannot be forced by centre without support from provincial parliament.

2 - Political influence on centre depends more on political party then province. The party which wins majority in NA will form the policy.

3 - There is equal funding, do you have anything specific in mind?

4 - That was a unique case where machinery imported was held in Karachi requiring permission of Ministry of Law (Babar Awan of PPP - mind it he has yet to give a reason for doing so). These things are being worked out, the end result will be a very decentralized system.

5 - PMLN did have the majority, it made a conscious decision to let Nationalism parties come forward. Within 90 days how did you guess that Federation doesn't care about Baluchistan? Baluch parties have the power to take any decisions, the CM has repeatedly said that he will resign if he is not allowed a free hand by centre so lets wait for his opinion.

lol excuses and more excuses, it was a unique case, that was exceptional, if Balochistan is equally represented then why are the things like kidnappings, FC BLA etc all carried on?

obviously there is little or no presence of Baloch representation in federal and thats why its not getting any response to its problems

there is a large funding problem, and there is unequal funding in the provinces

federal is more about the country then say provincial

so if Balochistan had equal representation then it had equal say in the country matters and not just provincial, it had some voice on national matters, but it doesnt have any

 

[Alpha1]

Hallelujiah! A party war thread

 

[RangerPK]

An organization which excels in this field and is globally respected for it is wrong but you have somehow gained a better understanding? The whole point with such monitors is that they are unbiased.

Did you vote in the elections?

 

[Sedqal]

Did you vote in the elections?

I'm in Malaysia so could not vote but my family back in PK did vote.

 

[darkinsky]

An organization which excels in this field and is globally respected for it is wrong but you have somehow gained a better understanding? The whole point with such monitors is that they are unbiased.

they didnt specifically mentioned that it was the cleanist of all, they just said it was more fair, and considering the ECP and the ten day scrutiny, its apparently was more fair, but as i pointed out it was no different only procedures were officially followed but it all had politicl influence and thats why all fake degree holders who were previously held were set free

so if i take if an improvement is of 0.000000001 percent then its still taken as an improvement

EU if it was completely satisfied it had said that it was a fair election

but it said, it was fairer then the last time

but it didnt say that elections were transparent

 

[RangerPK]

I'm in Malaysia so could not vote but my family back in PK did vote.

Oh I see, so you are not in Pakistan and did note vote in the elections....

 

[Sedqal]

lol excuses and more excuses, it was a unique case, that was exceptional, if Balochistan is equally represented then why are the things like kidnappings, FC BLA etc all carried on?

obviously there is little or no presence of Baloch representation in federal and thats why its not getting any response to its problems

there is a large funding problem, and there is unequal funding in the provinces

federal is more about the country then say provincial

so if Balochistan had equal representation then it had equal say in the country matters and not just provincial, it had some voice on national matters, but it doesnt have any

- Baluchistan has the representation and both PPP and PMLN accommodated a lot of their demands. Like I said the CM of Baluchistan has clearly stated that he will resign if centre does not give him a free hand. His presence till now means that he has no problems.

- National matters require a national political party, like every where else where democracy is practiced. In Pakistan there have been two parties which fit the profile PMLN and PPP. It has nothing to do with province but with the political party. If a Baluch national party creates an alliance with other parties which gives them lead in NA then they will be dealing directly with national matters. There is a reason why there is a National Assembly and Provincial assemblies.

as for freedom, any province can directly go to foreign countries for provincial projects without needing the permission of centre. This has not been the case in entire history of Pakistan.

 

[bornmoron]

EDUCATION ???

I would say No.1 priority

Right now ur education is too filmy.

pakistan will only change when

1) judicial system is very strong and independent and insures justice

2) the top pakistani crop is not corrupt and isnt involved in corruption, all corrupt politicans are punished and behind bars

3) there is local body system which is the essence of democracy

4) the politics of pakistan is not on the mercy of feudals

5) the military and agencies are in their limits

6) the law enforcements are performing their jobs and their appoinments are based on merits

7) all provinces have equal share in their development and representation in political system and beaurocracy and its like one province is ruling entire country because it has 60% of pakistani population, and the rest of the provinces are suppressed because of minority

 

[Sedqal]

double post

 

[darkinsky]

Could you further explain point 3 maybe some examples?

ththe system of mayors, in pakistan there is no concept of mayors, the local city administration is not elected like it does in other countries

the mayor or administrator is a politically appointed guy from the head of the province, in other words, the provincial head controls everything from the sanitation of cities, the work force, to government hospitals to development to police system to investment to law and order, to la making to everything and gets appointed by him and done by him and its like dictatorship

the local people cant elect their suitable people from their city/village/union counsels to represent them

in musharraf's time one would simply visit his local counsellor and get things done

now he will have to personally meet the head of the province who lives in a castle like building and avoids meeting people, and it is also impossible to get all things done by a single man, but as you know its all part of mafia and corruption, and he wants all powers for himself, he doesnt want to empower the poeple and make their own decisions

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Is the analysis provided by this article accurate? And to what degree?

link: globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2013/07/13/surprising-pakistan/

Surprising Pakistan

By Global Public Square staff

Many of the countries we were so hopeful about only a couple of years ago are in turmoil. Egypt's stability is precarious. Turkey has been rocked by protests. The BRIC nations are sagging economically. On the other hand, there is one place, once described as the world's most dangerous country, that’s offering up a pleasant surprise: Pakistan. Yes, it's full of Islamic radicals, nuclear weapons, ambitious generals, and corrupt politicians. But things are changing.
Pakistan has just accomplished a first in its history: an elected government completed its five-year term, giving way to a new set of democratically elected leaders. This was never allowed to happen before. Every prior civilian government in Pakistan had been deposed by a military coup. You see, Pakistan's military is the world's seventh largest, and has ruled the country for almost half its existence.

The elections are even more exceptional when you consider the conditions. The Pakistani Taliban had declared war against democracy, targeting three major political parties for elimination. As a result, the campaign period turned out to be the bloodiest in Pakistan's history. At least 80 people were killed and 400 injured in dozens of attacks. Would you go to the polling booth in these conditions? And yet, voter turnout topped 55 percent – nearly the same as the last U.S. presidential election! In part, this is because Pakistan's demographics are vibrant. A third of the electorate is under the age of 30. These are voters who are not burdened by the memories and missteps of the past. Instead they're optimistic and forward-looking about their country.
Pakistan's economy remains in critical condition. Foreign investment is drying up, deficits crippling its government. But the new prime minister, Nawaz Sharif, has announced a series of measures to run state-owned companies more efficiently, to get the country's fiscal house in order, and to open up the economy. Most tantalizing is the prospect of better economic relations with India, which Sharif has been hinting at. Pakistan would get a huge boost if the government would remove barriers and burdens that are a product of old animosities rather than any sensible economic thinking.

Meanwhile, Al Jazeera this week leaked an astounding report on Pakistan. The Supreme Court investigated how on earth Osama bin Laden managed to live there for so long, undetected. The report reveals a completely inept police and military. And, it hints that certain elements within the Pakistani establishment may have known about bin Laden. It said: “connivance, collaboration, and cooperation… cannot be entirely discounted.”

The message should be clear. Pakistan's main enemies are not the ones its military would have you believe: India, Afghanistan, or the United States. The real enemies lie within: extremism, military dictatorship, weak institutions, and corruption. Islamabad now has a mandate – and the time – to fight those enemies. Pakistan is still a dangerous country, but for once there are hopeful signs from there as well.

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CNN's Jason Miks

Pakistan will change only when its people change and that will never happen.

 

[darkinsky]

EDUCATION ???

I would say No.1 priority

Right now ur education is too filmy.

education, law and order, development, social issues, etc all depends on the right kind of people in the government

you are talking about the sub set of one big super set

 

[darkinsky]

- Baluchistan has the representation and both PPP and PMLN accommodated a lot of their demands. Like I said the CM of Baluchistan has clearly stated that he will resign if centre does not give him a free hand. His presence till now means that he has no problems.

- National matters require a national political party, like every where else where democracy is practiced. In Pakistan there have been two parties which fit the profile PMLN and PPP. It has nothing to do with province but with the political party. If a Baluch national party creates an alliance with other parties which gives them lead in NA then they will be dealing directly with national matters. There is a reason why there is a National Assembly and Provincial assemblies.

as for freedom, any province can directly go to foreign countries for provincial projects without needing the permission of centre. This has not been the case in entire history of Pakistan.

lol, if there are only two political party then i fail to understand why PPP is limited to sindh and the clean sweepers are limited to punjab

and its only one month and the CM of balochistan failed when he didnt do anything against the terrorists who bombed ziarat residency and who killed innocent people in quetta and girls included

technically he should have resigned already because he failed, but neither the federal is bothered because as i told you that balochistan has no representation and nor the provincial government is interested

in foreign country people resign immediately

 

[bornmoron]

Personally that Subset(as per you) is the one which can fix the big super set.

Tc

education, law and order, development, social issues, etc all depends on the right kind of people in the government

you are talking about the sub set of one big super set

 

[darkinsky]

Personally that Subset(as per you) is the one which can fix the big super set.

Tc

sorry but thats not how things work, for people to get educated the top people will have to be the common man who realises that the road to redemption is being an educated common man so he will work for common people like him

justice will ensure that everybody gets equal and cheap justice

and as i said it cant happen till there is feudalism

the media has made people too much aware but still they are made to follow feudals, there is no way bro