Sukhoi PAK-FA / FGFA: Updates,News & Discussions

[Omega007]

PAK-FA/FGFA/T50: India, Russia Cooperate on 5th-Gen Fighter

Latest Update:

Jan 21/14: India. India’s Air Force is directly criticizing the stealth fighter program, according to the minutes of a Dec 24/13 meeting chaired by secretary of defence production Gokul Chandra Pati:

“Business Standard has reviewed the minutes of that meeting. The IAF’s three top objections to the FGFA were: (a) The Russians are reluctant to share critical design information with India; (b) The fighter’s current AL-41F1 engines are inadequate, being mere upgrades of the Sukhoi-30MKI’s AL-31 engines; and (c) It is too expensive. With India paying $6 billion to co-develop the FGFA, “a large percentage of IAF’s capital budget will be locked up.”

On January 15, the IAF renewed the attack in New Delhi, at a MoD meeting to review progress on the FGFA. The IAF’s deputy chief of air staff (DCAS), its top procurement official, declared the FGFA’s engine was unreliable, its radar inadequate, its stealth features badly engineered, India’s work share too low, and that the fighter’s price would be exorbitant by the time it enters service.

Top MoD sources suspect the IAF is undermining the FGFA to free up finances for buying 126 Rafale medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) for an estimated $18 billion, an acquisition that has run into financial headwinds because of budgetary constraints….”

Perhaps if India hadn’t structured its “$10 billion” MMRCA competition to completely ignore the costs of the competing aircraft, this wouldn’t be happening. But they did, and it is. It isn’t a surprise (q.v. Appendix B), but it’s a complication. Sources: India’s Business Standard, “Russia can’t deliver on Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft: IAF”.

PAK-FA/FGFA/T50: India, Russia Cooperate on 5th-Gen Fighter

Man take a hike,it has already been posted here like a hundred times before and,has been proven to be a false propaganda produced by a sellout well-known.

 

[ejaz007]

Man take a hike,it has already been posted here like a hundred times before and,has been proven to be a false propaganda produced by a sellout well-known.

Care to explain your post.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Care to explain your post.

It's very simple, the news you have posted was denied in all its terms by the Russians and the IAF and MoD made absolutely 0 comments on the entire matter to indicate there was any particular displeasure on their part wrt the FGFA project, st least one concerns that were as serious as the report makes out. To the latter point of @Omega007 he is pointing to Mr Shukla's well known bias for the US products- particularly the F-35. He has made a case for this rather useless machine for a LONG time on his blog, in his articles and on any TV discussion he can get on. First he made the case for the F-35 instead of the Rafale, when he saw the Rafae-IAF was a an almost certainty he put the FGFA project in his crosshairs for a F-35 onslaught.

All the noise around the IAF's issues with the FGFA project all trace back to this ONE report that contains NO actual evidence!!

 

[ejaz007]

But the reports seem to be coming from other sources also:

Russian rubbish? India reportedly disappointed with stealth fighters from Moscow | Fox News

 

[IndoUS]

But the reports seem to be coming from other sources also:

Russian rubbish? India reportedly disappointed with stealth fighters from Moscow | Fox News

Again man, look at their source, it is an American Air Force consultant. After the loss of F/A-18 and F-16IN, Boeing has been pushing for the sale of F/A-18 to the navy future ACC and also the F-35. They have been pushing for more sales of aircraft, to India, even to the point where some part for I believe F/A-18 are being supplied by Indian companies. F-35 specially had been put infront of Indian Air force and Navy, but both declined it to some extent because the aircraft is still under development and there will be no point in the Air Force to buy it when there is no technological return like there is for the FGFA. Only the navy is some what interested in the VTOL version of the F-35 for possible ACC use.

 

[Abingdonboy]

But the reports seem to be coming from other sources also:

Russian rubbish? India reportedly disappointed with stealth fighters from Moscow | Fox News

Yes and that can be traced back to Mr Shukla's report. The IAF has NEVER expressed their concerns wrt any ongoing procurements/projects. It was only AFTER Mr Shukla wrote his entirely fictitious blog post that all the subsequent reports came out.


Again there is NO basis for this nonsense.

Only the navy is some what interested in the VTOL version of the F-35 for possible ACC use.

Initially they were interested in the B (V/STOL variant) but later asked for briefings on the C (conventional Carrier variant with arrestor hook and takes off using catapults) as they are designing CATOBAR ACCs for their future fleet no longer STOPBAR configured ones.

 

[ejaz007]

I guess we shall have to wait to see whether the reports regarding IAF showing concerns about PAK FA are real or fabricated.

No harm in waiting.

 

[kurup]

wrong thread buddy.

 

[jarves]

Care to explain your post.

https://defence.pk/posts/5206803/
Criticism of FGFA project unfounded - Russian strategic analyst

 

[vostok]

Russian Air Force received the first T-50 for state tests

 

[trident2010]

Russian Air Force received the first T-50 for state tests

Good news!! Soon we will see the weapons test.

 

[kurup]

Russian Air Force Receives PAK-FA Fighter Prototype

A new advanced fighter jet prototype has been delivered to the Russian Air Force for testing, the manufacturer said Friday.

The first T-50 “stealth” fighter had been delivered to a military airfield in Russia’s southern Astrakhan region for test flights, the Sukhoi company said in a statement.

The chief air force commander, Lt. Gen. Viktor Bondarev, said in December that combat squadrons could expect deliveries of the production version, known by its Russian acronym PAK-FA for future tactical fighter aircraft, in 2016 at the latest.

The PAK-FA is slated to replace the country’s aging fleet of Soviet-era fighter jets.

The Sukhoi T-50 is a fifth-generation fighter jet and features a stealth profile with internal weapons bays for air and ground-attack weapons, thrust-vectoring engines for high-acceleration turns and an ability known as supercruise to fly supersonic without the use of a fuel-guzzling afterburner.

An export version, called the fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA), is also under development in a joint project with India for that country’s air force.

Experts consider the plane comparable to the only fifth-generation fighter currently in operation worldwide, the American F-22 Raptor, which entered service in 2005.

The Moscow-based Sukhoi has been conducting its own test flights of several of the aircraft since 2010, including in-flight refueling and high-agility maneuvers. The company said in October that these had produced favorable results.

Russian Air Force Receives PAK-FA Fighter Prototype | idrw.org

 

[IND151]

Russian Air Force Receives PAK-FA Fighter Prototype | idrw.org

 

[spectribution]

Russian Air Force Receives PAK-FA Fighter Prototype

A new advanced fighter jet prototype has been delivered to the Russian Air Force for testing, the manufacturer said Friday.

The first T-50 “stealth” fighter had been delivered to a military airfield in Russia’s southern Astrakhan region for test flights, the Sukhoi company said in a statement.

The chief air force commander, Lt. Gen. Viktor Bondarev, said in December that combat squadrons could expect deliveries of the production version, known by its Russian acronym PAK-FA for future tactical fighter aircraft, in 2016 at the latest.

The PAK-FA is slated to replace the country’s aging fleet of Soviet-era fighter jets.

The Sukhoi T-50 is a fifth-generation fighter jet and features a stealth profile with internal weapons bays for air and ground-attack weapons, thrust-vectoring engines for high-acceleration turns and an ability known as supercruise to fly supersonic without the use of a fuel-guzzling afterburner.

An export version, called the fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA), is also under development in a joint project with India for that country’s air force.

Experts consider the plane comparable to the only fifth-generation fighter currently in operation worldwide, the American F-22 Raptor, which entered service in 2005.

The Moscow-based Sukhoi has been conducting its own test flights of several of the aircraft since 2010, including in-flight refueling and high-agility maneuvers. The company said in October that these had produced favorable results.

Russian Air Force Receives PAK-FA Fighter Prototype | idrw.org

Until new engine no Supercruise. Never the less in A2A it will F 35B, F35C and J20 their @$$.

Until new engine no Supercruise. Never the less in A2A it will F35B and J20 their @$$.

 

[vostok]

Until new engine no Supercruise. Never the less in A2A it will F 35B, F35C and J20 their @$$.

Why? This engine is also capable of providing supersonic without afterburner. This is the same engine as use in Su-35.