Sukhoi PAK-FA / FGFA: Updates,News & Discussions

[Arzamas 16]

Are there any western "experts" that came to that conclusion on their own, or do we see many rip off article, based on the pointless Ajay Shukla BS? I didn't even saw any official IAF complain about it, what he came up with, were stuff that is years old, like the engine issue that was solved by IAF chosing the Type 30 engine unlike the Russian airforce. So a lot of hot air in the media right now and until we really see some official statements, I don't see a reason to bother too much.

Type 30 engine was planned for PAK FA long before even the idea of FGFA came into existence.

If you think were going to spend billions of dollars on engine that were not going to use, than I have a bridge in San Francisco to sale to you.

 

[kurup]

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Beautifull pictures ....

 

[sancho]

Type 30 engine was planned for PAK FA long before even the idea of FGFA came into existence.

If you think were going to spend billions of dollars on engine that were not going to use, than I have a bridge in San Francisco to sale to you.

In theory, but in reality the Russian airforce is meant to get early Pak Fas with the current engines of the T50 prototopyes and only later version were meant to get further engines and radar upgrades. That's exactly what IAF rejected (years ago) and where India came in with fundings for the NG engine (which Russian government didn't funded on their own till then). So the Ajay Shukla claims are just old news cooked up once again to make it look like the IAF wouldn't like the fighter and to make a western alternative more interesting again, but the fact is, that IAF has simply different requirements and is ok with different time frames as the Russian counterparts.

 

[Arzamas 16]

In theory, but in reality the Russian airforce is meant to get early Pak Fas with the current engines of the T50 prototopyes and only later version were meant to get further engines and radar upgrades.

2017 is the most realist date in which the PAK FA will enter service, and by then second stage engine will be more than ready so it makes no sense to go with current engines.

That's exactly what IAF rejected (years ago) and where India came in with fundings for the NG engine (which Russian government didn't funded on their own till then)

The no money theory doesn't add up for several reasons, one of which is that we are currently funding several Military projects alone with not a nickel from India, with some of them even more expensive than the PAK FA, the Bulava program alone cost 15 billion , and PAK DA is going to be a heck of a lot more expensive than PAK FA, not mention LMFS and hosts of other UCAV projects.

 

[sancho]

2017 is the most realist date in which the PAK FA will enter service, and by then second stage engine will be more than ready so it makes no sense to go with current engines.

Haven't we discussed that before? The fact is, that your government wants to induct Pak Fa by 2015 and the type 30 will have first prototypes of the engine only by then (one reason why FGFA is delayed as well, since IAF as said insisted on the NG engine), so no matter what the delays of the program will cause at the end, the PLANS for Russian air force are divided into early and later Pak Fa versions, with the current and the NG engine.

 

[Arzamas 16]

Haven't we discussed that before? The fact is, that your government wants to induct Pak Fa by 2015

I assume you being an educated man like myself, know full well that 2015 is just not happening.

 

[sancho]

I assume you being an educated man like myself, know full well that 2015 is just not happening.

Of course, but the project being delayed is one thing, Pak Fa being planed to be inducted with the current engine another, so saying Russia had planed to induct Pak Fa with the type 30 all along is simply wrong, that's it.
However, even I say IAF should had at least got some early Pak Fa's in a leasing contract, instead of the additional MKIs, because even if not all NG techs and capabilities will be available by then, operationally it will be a game changer and far more useful in A2A and A2G than Super 30, Su 35, Su 34, MMRCA...
But I am also happy that IAF is putting pressure on Russia to develop the fighter on higher standards and requirements, which definitely will be a benefit for the project as a whole.

 

[sancho]

Some latest T055 pics:

 

[trident2010]

When are they going to conduct weapons test with it?

 

[sancho]

When are they going to conduct weapons test with it?

They might even have, who knows? What we know is, that it has all systems integrated now, that some of the prototypes were flying with external pylons.

 

[Dash]

They might even have, who knows? What we know is, that it has all systems integrated now, that some of the prototypes were flying with external pylons.

including the radar..?

 

[sancho]

including the radar..?

Yes:

Sukhoi T-50 Moves to Radar, In-flight Refueling Tests

August 31, 2012, 10:05 AM

The third prototype of Russia’s new T-50 stealth fighter now has an AESA radar...

...Side number 53 is fitted with the AESA designed and built by the Scientific Research Institute of Instruments named after Tikhomirov (NIIP). The maker claims “considerable progress” in early ground and flight tests. The radar “corresponds to the best systems available elsewhere,” it said. NIIP also noted that tests of the PAK FA’s electro-optical sensor system have started...

Sukhoi T-50 Moves to Radar, In-flight Refueling Tests | Aviation International News

 

[sancho]

 

[trident2010]

nice pics

 

[ejaz007]

PAK-FA/FGFA/T50: India, Russia Cooperate on 5th-Gen Fighter

Latest Update:

Jan 21/14: India. India’s Air Force is directly criticizing the stealth fighter program, according to the minutes of a Dec 24/13 meeting chaired by secretary of defence production Gokul Chandra Pati:

“Business Standard has reviewed the minutes of that meeting. The IAF’s three top objections to the FGFA were: (a) The Russians are reluctant to share critical design information with India; (b) The fighter’s current AL-41F1 engines are inadequate, being mere upgrades of the Sukhoi-30MKI’s AL-31 engines; and (c) It is too expensive. With India paying $6 billion to co-develop the FGFA, “a large percentage of IAF’s capital budget will be locked up.”

On January 15, the IAF renewed the attack in New Delhi, at a MoD meeting to review progress on the FGFA. The IAF’s deputy chief of air staff (DCAS), its top procurement official, declared the FGFA’s engine was unreliable, its radar inadequate, its stealth features badly engineered, India’s work share too low, and that the fighter’s price would be exorbitant by the time it enters service.

Top MoD sources suspect the IAF is undermining the FGFA to free up finances for buying 126 Rafale medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) for an estimated $18 billion, an acquisition that has run into financial headwinds because of budgetary constraints….”

Perhaps if India hadn’t structured its “$10 billion” MMRCA competition to completely ignore the costs of the competing aircraft, this wouldn’t be happening. But they did, and it is. It isn’t a surprise (q.v. Appendix B), but it’s a complication. Sources: India’s Business Standard, “Russia can’t deliver on Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft: IAF”.

PAK-FA/FGFA/T50: India, Russia Cooperate on 5th-Gen Fighter