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A thread about sufism and not even a paragraph where it was originated? The Islamic Sufism originated in Baghdad. First known sufi was Junaid Baghdadi or some claim Hazrat Awais Qarni (R.A).

Strictly speaking Sufism predates Islam. First known Sufi in world would be Hazrat Khizar who met hazrat Musa (AS). If you read Surah Kahf, Hazrat Khizar tells us,He is responsible to carry out God's will and executes it without any hesitation . One can deduce, since the beginning of world, there are men dedicated beside prophets who are responsible for executing God's will on earth so basically Sufism is a system of spiritual people carrying out God's will beside angels. There are proper ranks in Sufi world. Duties assigned

Before Islam, Sufism were follower of Deen e Hanif ( As mentioned in Quran about Which Deen Hazrat Ibrahim or prophets before Mohammad (PBUH) used to follow)


Sufism is not about music. It is about Jihad bil Nafs, most difficult jihad someone can wage.

In Quran, Allah talks about Walli Ullahs, This is what true sufis are, who follow path of Shariah that they become friends of God
 
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Let's see how long it takes before a fight breaks out in this thread. :D

I am waiting.... :D Actually I am the one who sit between Ibnu Taimiyah and Al-Ghazali position. I take the middle path between those two. I am not sitting in an extreme side though. Nice to see you commenting here ;)
 
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At this thread lets talk and share about Sufism, I will give some recommended Sufi and Sufism books that I like. I believe many young intellectuals Muslim are in this forum now, but by having quite high intellectual, will not make us become extraordinary in this world. There should be another knowledge that we pursuit to unleash our potential emotional strength that is promised by our God, ALLAH, in Quran. Sufism teaching is many, only the ones that doesn't contradict with Quran and Hadist that I recommend here.

(It is a part of Islamic History but it is more specific thread than the previous ones)



First lets us begin with this person:

Al-Ḥakīm al-Tirmidhī (Arabic: الحكيم الترمذي‎), full name Abū ʿAbd Allāh Muḥammad ibn ʿAlī al-Ḥakīm al-Tirmidhī al-Ḥanafī (d. ca. 910), not to be confused with the famous hadith master Abū ʿĪsā al-Tirmidhī, was a Sunni jurist (faqih) and traditionist (muhaddith) of Khorasan, but is mostly remembered as one of the great early authors of Sufism. His full name is: Abu Abdullah Muhammad bin Ali bin Hasan bin Bashir (in some sources it is 'Bishr') Al Hakim At-Termizi. He is locally known as At-Termizi or Termiz Ota ("Father of Termiz city").

Information about his life and scientific and creative activities can be found in the works by Taj ad-Din Subki (Tabakat Ash-Shafii'yya Al-kubro), Hatiba Baghdad (Tarih Baghdad), Ibn Hajara AskAlani (Lisan Al-Miyzan), Sulami (Tabakat As-Sufiyya) and in a number of other treatises.

Al Hakim At-Termizi speaks about his life in his book Bad'u Shaani Abu Abdullah ("The Beginning of Abu Abdullah's Pursuit"), published in Beirut in 1965 by Yakh'ya Ismail Usman, together with the work of the scientist in Hatm Al-Avliya ("Seal of the Saints").

Life
Tirmidhi was apparently born between 820 and 830 AD in Termez, Khorasan. His father was a scholar of hadith and a jurist; his early education appears to have been very orthodox. He was reared as a scholar of hadith and fiqh (law), more specifically, the Hanafi school of law that was dominant in eastern territories of Islam. The range of Tirmidhi's education did not include the non-Islamic sciences, such as Greek natural science and philosophy. His subsequent reference to learning the use of the astrolabe, implying a knowledge of astronomy and mathematics, has been given different interpretations. "There is no trace of influence from 'natural science' in his writings." However, his general pursuit of knowledge gained him the name of "al-hakim" (the sage). He renounced his use of the astrolabe after being told to do so in a dream to which he attached significance.[1]

Early years
Different dates are used in written sources and present literature to indicate Al Hakim At-Termizi's date of birth and death. Some authors, Khwaja Khalif in particular, in his Kashf as-Zunun, give the year 255 in Hijra / 869 AD as Al Hakim At-Termizi's date of death. The same date was written on Al Hakim At-Termizi's tomb. If we proceed from the fact that Al Hakim At-Termizi lived more than one hundred years, some sources say 112, 116 or 120 years, he was born approximately between 750–760 AD. At the same time, Abdulfattah Abdullah Baraka who wrote his great "Al Hakim At-Termizi and Nazariyyatukhu fil" ("Al Hakim At-Termizi and his theory") thirty years ago, said that Al Hakim At-Termizi, was born in 205 in Hijri / 820 and died in 320 in Hijri / 932 and lived 112 years.

Detailed information about Al Hakim At-Termizi's childhood and youth is not available in the sources. According to his "autobiography", he started learning religious sciences when he was eight, and he made a Hajj to Mecca when he was twenty-eight.

Later life
Returning from Mecca, Al Hakim At-Termizi became a Sufi follower; he withdrew from people and learned treaties. His father Ali bin Hassan was a leading scholar, a Hadith specialist, who, looking for knowledge, went to Baghdad and took an active part in scientific discussions with prominent scholars of the time on various problems of Hadith. His mother and uncle were considered to be experts of Hadith. Consequently Al Hakim At-Termizi grew up in the circle of educated and scientific people, which influenced greatly on his ideology.

Some written sources contain reliable information about Al Hakim At-Termizi's teachers. His teacher was his father Ali bin Al-Hassan At Termizi "History of Baghdad" by Khatib Al-Bagdhadi contains some information. Among his other teachers were Kutaiba bin Sayid as-Sakafi Al- Balkhi (798-888 AD), Salih bin Abdullah At-Termizi of much interesting facts had been written in the book "Books about Famous People" by Ibn Khibbana; Salih bin Muhammad At-Termizi who was former qazi of Termiz for some time, Sufyan bin Vaki (died in 860), Hassan bin Umar bin Shafiq Al- Balkhi (died in 840 AD), Ahmad bin Khadravayh (died in 854 AD), Abu Turab An-Nakhshabi (link), and Yahya bin Maaz Ar-Razi (died in 875 AD).

Based on data given in the written sources characterize Al Hakim At-Termizi's life and his long life can be divided into the following periods:

  • The first period includes Al Hakim At-Termizi's childhood up to seven. Unfortunately we do not have exact information about this part of his life. But nevertheless, one can say that unlike the children of his age he displayed ability at this age to various games, as if he prepared himself to the future scientific life, he worked hard with his teachers, obtained knowledge on various sciences (particularly on theology) and got ready to mystic spiritual life.
  • The second period embraces Al Hakim At-Termizi's life from eight to twenty eight, when he received knowledge from different teachers (sheikhs). For knowledge he visited other oriental cities, was in Mecca and made a pilgrimage. Some sources pointed to the fact that he paid much attention to learning Hadith and problems of fiqh in this period of his life.
  • The third period of his life is related to learning the Qur'an thoroughly. He assimilated by deep God's words, their essence, fasting, praying and pious deeds and so on. The philosophic mystic work by Al-Antahi "Healing of Hearts" had a great influence on him.
Al Hakim At-Termizi had many of students, including: Abu Muhammad Yahya bin Mansur Al-Kadi (died in 960 AD), Abu Ali Mansur bin Abdullah bin Khalid Al-Zuhli Al Hiravi; Abu Ali Al-Hassan bin Ali Al-Jurjani. He also taught Ahmad bin Muhammad bin Isa, Abu Bakr Muhammad Ibn Umar Al-Al Hakim Al-Varrak, Muhammad bin Jaafar bin Muhammad bin Al-Haisam bin Umran bin Buraida, and others.

Al Hakim At-Termizi's scientific and creative activity is closely connected with his travels to other countries and cities. He visited Balkh, Nishapur, and Baghdad, where science and culture reached its zenith, and he met famous scholars and took part in discussions. Nevertheless Termiz, his native city played an important role in his scientific and creative activity, and there he created his basic works. His sermons and as well as some works, first of all, Hatam Al-Avliya (Seal of Saints), Hal Ash-Shari'a (Arguments of the Islamic Law) in which are discussed Muslim rituals, about "love for God" and about various categories of mystics, about "the Seals of Saints", along with existing "Seals of Prophets", had dissatisfied some parts of the falikh and rich. Escaping from his enemies' chase, Al Hakim At-Termizi had to move to Balkh and then to Nishapur, where he was very well accepted and where he obtained a large number of followers later.

Works
According to Radtke and O'Kane, "he is the first and, up until the time of Ibn al-Arabi, the only mystic author whose writings present a broad synthesis of mystic experience, anthropology, cosmology and Islamic theology... Tirmidhi's system of thought is representative of an old Islamic theosophy which had not yet consciously assimilated elements from the Aristotelian-Neoplatonic philosophic tradition."[2]

Different figures on the number of Al Hakim At-Termizi's works are mentioned in the written sources. Some authors say that the number of his work reaches four hundred. But the majority of authors tend to think that about eighty works belong to him. The famous Egyptian scholar Abdelfattah Abdulla Baraka writes that out of four hundred works by Al Hakim At-Termizi only about sixty had reached us. Though many works were lost, the most important ones that contain the great scholar's basic teachings, which comprise his scientific and spiritual legacy have been preserved (2).

The first work that must be mentioned is Navodir Al-Usul fi Ma'rifat Akhbor Ar-Rasul ("Unique Principles of Learning about RasulAllah - the Messenger of God"). It consists of 291 Hadith, and that to some extent it reflects the author's points of view, his outlook, his understanding the world. One copy of Navadir Al-Usul is kept in Tashkent, in the library of Muslim Board of Uzbekistan.

Other works of the scholar are: Khaqiyqat Al-Odamiyya Sahi btao? ("Book about the Nature of a Man"), Adab an-Nafs ("Bringing up the Soul"). The majority of the works of Al Hakim At-Termizi reached us in the form of manuscripts and they are kept in different manuscript funds of the world. Conditionally they may be divided into five groups: manuscripts that are kept in Paris, Cairo, Damascus, Alexandria, Istanbul and London. The following works by Al Hakim At-Termizi are kept in the National Library of Paris (under ISBN 5018 in the Arab department):

  • Kitab as-Salat va Makasidiha (A Book about Prayer and its Aims)
  • Kitab Al-Hajj va Asrarihi (A Book about Pilgrimage and its Secrets)
  • Kitab Al-Ihtiyatot (A Book about Precautions)
  • Kitab Al-Jumal Al-Lazim Ma'rifitiha (A Book about Sentences that Should be Known)

Muhammad ibn `Ali at-Tirmidhi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Indonesia is essentially a Sufi country. Indonesia accepted Islam at the hands of the 9 saints. And they came from HaDramaut Yemen. Shaykh Abu Bakr al Aydarus RA of Aden sent them to spread Islam in the far east. They all belong to the Ba Alawi Order of Tasawwuf, which is the main Order of Tasawwuf in Yemen.

A thread about sufism and not even a paragraph where it was originated? The Islamic Sufism originated in Baghdad. First known sufi was Junaid Baghdadi or some claim Hazrat Awais Qarni (R.A).

Strictly speaking Sufism predates Islam. First known Sufi in world would be Hazrat Khizar who met hazrat Musa (AS). If you read Surah Kahf, Hazrat Khizar tells us,He is responsible to carry out God's will only and executes them without any argument . One can deduce, since the beginning of world, there are men dedicated beside prophets who are responsible for executing God's will on earth so basically Sufism is a system of spiritual people carrying out God's will beside angels. There are proper ranks in Sufi world. Duties assigned

Before Islam, Sufism were follower of Deen e Hanif ( As mentioned in Quran about Which Deen Hazrat Ibrahim or prophets before Mohammad (PBUH) used to follow)


Sufism is not about music. It is about Jihad bil Nafs, most difficult jihad someone can wage.

In Quran, Allah talks about Walli Ullahs, This is what true sufis are, who follow path of Shariah that they become friends of God

Even before Sayyiduna Junayd Baghdadi RA, there were the two great Sufis of Basrah, the inheritors of Moula Ali AS

Imam Hasan Basri RA an Sayyida Rabia Addawiyya Basri RA

There are many more Sufis before these two great saints of Islam.

I am sorry to say Sufiism never impressed me ...I dont like it but dont hate it as I dont really understand it ..

I dont like the way people prefer to swing back and forth in poems and music rather than do simple zikir or tilawat as was originally thought by Islam (I am not insulting just explaining why I never understood it)

Fair enough that era was an era of poets and people would express themselves with poems and music ...however that was the even true for the era before Islam where the Romans and Hinduism did the same...

Islam brought a change and difference which was solat, work hard and strive for truth and justice rather than sit around and wait for enlightenment similar is the case with Christian monks of that time when you tell them you dont understand, lets wait for the holy spirit!

More than one third of the Islamic literature over 1300 years is on Sufism. Ibn Taymiyya wrote 6 books on Tasawwuf, and his student ibn al qayyim al jawziyya wrote one of the most famous

Do you read Tafsir Ibn Kathir ? Do you know Imam Ibn Kathir, student of ibn taymiyya was a Sufi?

And ibn taymiyya himself clamed to be a Qadiri Sufi.

Also, deobandis claim to be Sufis
 
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Egypt Burda Sharif


Chechen Qadiri Sufis

 
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thank you this is really great it makes you feel peace .are you sufi or just like the music ?
Me Sufi? No mate, just interested in Sufism, its peaceful and tollerant thats why i like it.

Sufism had great influence in Turkish culture, literature, and arts, Persian Rumi and Turkish Yunus Emre are still very famous, you can ask anyone on the streets in Turkey about them and they will know these two.
 
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Just another question....Doesnt prayer solah do the same so whats the difference_

Well my dear friend, I bet you know that many Hadist are talking about "Riya action." A Mujahiddin and Islam preacher can go to the hell as well right ?. Why ? Because they are not clever to detect their emotional side, the reason of why the do somethings that is actually derived from their own lust. Learning Sufism/Tasawuf is like understanding the method of how we can understand our own lust and then take action to cure it by purifing our heart (our real/ subconscious intention). A Good Sufi is like a good psychiatrist, they can see whats wrong with their current intention and then use full effort to fix it.

Understanding psychology is a good step to understand Sufism in a more rational way. I like Adler Theory (inferiority complex). People just try to bring as much as worthiness into their heart in order to get them feel more worthy over time. But they seek it through worldly affairs (A desire to get acknowledged by people, to get loved by their spouse, to get people attention, etc), and they fail to understand (in a subconsciousness level) that they can get the most worth from ALLAH only so they will not become a slave of people, money, etc anymore. People in no need is better than people in need right ? Its called Tawakkal.
 
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More than one third of the Islamic literature over 1300 years is on Sufism. Ibn Taymiyya wrote 6 books on Tasawwuf, and his student ibn al qayyim al jawziyya wrote one of the most famous

Do you read Tafsir Ibn Kathir ? Do you know Imam Ibn Kathir, student of ibn taymiyya was a Sufi?

And ibn taymiyya himself clamed to be a Qadiri Sufi.

Also, deobandis claim to be Sufis

I only use the tafsir as a guidebook...But not as my only source...I know in Pakistan Ibn Kathir is like some really great book for me Quran alone is sufficient but I do take guidebooks from different sources and read them together ...guidebooks include history books as well as written accounts by various scholars of that time but I dont give preferences to any one ...because tafsirs are what they are tafsirs from what so and so scholar understood backed by the hadith that relate to that understanding while there are many more hadith also available...I just dont narrow myself to 1 preference...

I remember as a kid and even as a teenager my mom used to go to Quran classes for ladies they would take some 5-6 ayats and then discuss it from different sources...my mom used Ibn Khatir and another one brought in At Tabari and some used internet from different scholars so we had opinions, research and everything would be stitched together...and discussed as to where the ayat was revealed, the situation, what the sahaba understood, what was its importance, and the results that led after it...Basically covered historical context, geography, psychology of the people and the importance of the revelation...

But no one ever categorized each other as Sufi, Deobandi, Brailvi or whatever...This is how I was brought up hence my immaturity and shock in dealing with labeled Muslims!

Well my dear friend, I bet you know that many Hadist are talking about "Riya action." A Mujahiddin and Islam preacher can go to the hell as well right ?. Why ? Because they are not clever to detect their emotional side, the reason of why the do somethings that is actually derived from their own lust. Learning Sufism/Tasawuf is like understanding the method of how we can understand our own lust and then take action to cure it by purifing our heart (our real/ subconscious intention). A Good Sufi is like a good psychiatrist, they can see whats wrong with their current intention and then use full effort to fix it.
Honestly speaking I dont know what is Riya action....can you be more clear on that. :)
Understanding psychology is a good step to understand Sufism in a more rational way. I like Adler Theory (inferiority complex). People just try to bring as much as worthiness into their heart in order to get them feel more worthy over time. But they seek it through worldly affairs (A desire to get acknowledged by people, to get loved by their spouse, to get people attention, etc), and they fail to understand (in a subconsciousness level) that they can get the most worth from ALLAH only so they will not become a slave of people, money, etc anymore. People in no need is better than people in need right ? Its called Tawakkal.
Ahhh Tawakkal that I can understand it is a common word among the Malays ;)

However, this should not be exaggerated coz it sounds like how the people translated some of their text of the old religions into become monks and live away from humans!
 
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A thread about sufism and not even a paragraph where it was originated? The Islamic Sufism originated in Baghdad. First known sufi was Junaid Baghdadi or some claim Hazrat Awais Qarni (R.A).

Strictly speaking Sufism predates Islam. First known Sufi in world would be Hazrat Khizar who met hazrat Musa (AS). If you read Surah Kahf, Hazrat Khizar tells us,He is responsible to carry out God's will only and executes them without any argument . One can deduce, since the beginning of world, there are men dedicated beside prophets who are responsible for executing God's will on earth so basically Sufism is a system of spiritual people carrying out God's will beside angels. There are proper ranks in Sufi world. Duties assigned

Before Islam, Sufism were follower of Deen e Hanif ( As mentioned in Quran about Which Deen Hazrat Ibrahim or prophets before Mohammad (PBUH) used to follow)


Sufism is not about music. It is about Jihad bil Nafs, most difficult jihad someone can wage.

In Quran, Allah talks about Walli Ullahs, This is what true sufis are, who follow path of Shariah that they become friends of God
Some say Hazrat Khidr was a prophet....not a Rasool but just a prophet in the meaning a chosen man of ALLAH...whom Allah gives revelations because the knwoledge of the future that Khidr possessed was (as he himself said) is from ALLAH and all he ever did was what ALLAH told him to do (Just like what Jesus had said I speak but not from myself and I do the will of my father)

Khidr said Surah 18: 82 And I did it not of my own accord. That is the interpretation of that about which you could not have patience."

http://quran.com/18/65-82

Very interesting indeed!
 
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Some say Hazrat Khidr was a prophet....not a Rasool but just a prophet in the meaning a chosen man of ALLAH...whom Allah gives revelations because the knwoledge of the future that Khidr possessed was (as he himself said) is from ALLAH and all he ever did was what ALLAH told him to do (Just like what Jesus had said I speak but not from myself and I do the will of my father)

Khidr said Surah 18: 82 And I did it not of my own accord. That is the interpretation of that about which you could not have patience."

Surat Al-Kahf [18:65-82] - The Noble Qur'an - القرآن الكريم

Very interesting indeed!

There were already two prophets in his era. Musa and Haroon AS and there is no precedence in whole Islamic history where no more than 2 prophets or rasool are sent to a nation in a particular era. If Khizar was a rasool, his preaching would have been mentioned, but rather he is seen executing will of GOD. There is a particular rank in spiritual world. Abdal. That what Khizar is thought to be.
 
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There were already two prophets in his era. Musa and Haroon AS and there is no precedence in whole Islamic history where no more than 2 prophets or rasool are sent to a nation in a particular era. If Khizar was a rasool, his preaching would have been mentioned, but rather he is seen executing will of GOD. There is a particular rank in spiritual world. Abdal. That what Khizar is thought to be.

I didnt say rasool I said Nabi:

Have you frogotten:

Ibrahim with his 2 sons (Ishaaq and Ismael)? That makes 3 in 1 era...

Zakariya, Yayah and Isa came in the same time....


I wont say anything about this ....because it is not mentioned in the Quran....

All Quran calls him is servant Abd
 
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I didnt say rasool I said Nabi:

Have you frogotten:

Ibrahim with his 2 sons (Ishaaq and Ismael)? That makes 3 in 1 era...

Zakariya, Yayah and Isa came in the same time....


I wont say anything about this ....because it is not mentioned in the Quran....

All Quran calls him is servant Abd

Nabi is who receive Shariat. Rasool is who don't bring any new religion. There is distinction b/w two. Beside Khizar, There is Hakeem Lucman, the man of wisdom, who was neither rasool nor nabi.
 
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