Su-30MKI - Super Sukhoi Upgrade Program.

[Bratva]

“Each HAL-built Su-30MKI fighter costs around $70.3 million, where as a Russia-supplied fighter costs around $42.15 million,” the senior Air Force official said.

A senior MoD official said that Russia last month tried to pressure the Indian government to order an additional 72 Su-30MKI fighters with HAL, but the Indian Air Force is reluctant to place new orders in such a large number.

“The HAL built Su-30MKI fighter is not fully indigenized, only 51 percent is homemade, where the remaining 49 percent of supplies still comes from Russia,” said Bhim Sigh, a retired wing commander with the Indian Air Force.

Singh noted that most of the raw materials are sourced from Russia, including titanium blocks, forgings, aluminium and steel plates, as well as low-tech items such as nuts, bolts and screws.

HAL continues to depend on Russia as the original equipment manufacturer for components, raw material, servicing and overhaul of the fighters.


https://www.defensenews.com/industr...s-may-shut-down-toppling-400-local-suppliers/

 

[The Eagle]

IAF completed the upgrade or still in process? BVR area of SU-30MKI is already proven useless during last face-off.

 

[Ali_Baba]

The Super-Sukhoi upgrade never started !!!!!!!!

 

[CONNAN]

IAF completed the upgrade or still in process? BVR area of SU-30MKI is already proven useless during last face-off.

it never took off from the negotiation table/drawing board officially. According to the report, the ‘Super Sukhoi’ upgrade for the IAF’s fleet of Su-30s is in advanced levels of discussions, with modernisation plans for avionics, engines and weaponry. SO They are still in talks with the ruskies

 

[The Eagle]

it never took off from the negotiation table/drawing board officially. According to the report, the ‘Super Sukhoi’ upgrade for the IAF’s fleet of Su-30s is in advanced levels of discussions, with modernisation plans for avionics, engines and weaponry. SO They are still in talks with the ruskies

Or IAF is matting Israeli/French Missiles without going deep into an expensive upgrade as such? lastly, IAF was buying BVRs especially and upgrade Sukhoi with Israeli or French Avionics/Weaponry.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Or IAF is matting Israeli/French Missiles without going deep into an expensive upgrade as such? lastly, IAF was buying BVRs especially and upgrade Sukhoi with Israeli or French Avionics/Weaponry.

well the so called SS UPG as most of PK members beleive it is not like at all

IAF is and will intigrate what it wants to cause it can as it has money and material to do so as for russia if it wants to keep India as a good client will listen and honour the deal or will have to live on "bread crumbs"

trust me MODS sirji SS UPG deal has not yet took of and its much much more than the PAF deal to buy its whole new air force

 

[The Eagle]

Intention at most is to have a serious discussion without taking digs or jibes at others. Had it been the case of expenditure & $$, well someone has already proven the worth and world saw it so let's not take a salt rubbing ride that the other side can't stand with.

Back to the topic for interesting & serious discussion.

Regards,

 

[CONNAN]

Or IAF is matting Israeli/French Missiles without going deep into an expensive upgrade as such?

264 Su-30MKI airframes will be left by 2025, As Super 30 upgrade specs are still being finalized from Indian side , Ruskies has started integrating AL-41F-1S engines on their Su-30SM fighters. In addition to further thrust, the engines also provide additional electric power needed for Irbis and/or future AESA radars. I think we will follow same path with MKI engines.

For a long time, the only thing we knew about the proposed Su-30MKI upgrades was the name of the program: Sukhoi Super 30. There was no information about the technical specifications, timeline or costs. Commentators often confuseSukhoi Super 30 with another upgrade program that aims to integrate the Su-30MKI with the air-launched version of the BrahMos anti-ship cruise missile. These are in fact two independent and unrelated projects. BrahMos will be installed on only 40-42 planes. The program has already reached a fairly advanced phase of flight-testing to ascertain mechanical compatibility of theBrahMos-A air-launched missile with a reinforced Su-30MKI airframe. Live missile launches are due to commence very shortly. The Sukhoi Super 30 program, on the other hand, will be rolled out to the entire Indian fleet of Su-30MKI fighters; it has yet to begin in earnest, and up until recently, there was very little information about it in the public domain.

Reports in Media
The Hindu reported that in July 2016 Russia and India held consultations on Sukhoi Super 30, and that they hoped to sign a deal very soon. Another well informed newspaper, The Economic Times, reported that the technical requirements would be finalized by the year’s end, and that the contract would be signed in early 2017. The estimated cost of the program is $7-8 billion. It is therefore clear that the program is still at the very early stages, and that the Sukhoi Super 30 technical specifications have yet to be agreed. One of the central issues in the upcoming discussions will certainly be the use of local suppliers as part of the Indian government’s Make in Indiaindustrial policy.

lastly, IAF was buying BVRs especially and upgrade Sukhoi with Israeli or French Avionics/Weaponry.

Integration of western and Israeli missiles are at discussion levels only

some key upgrades

1 ) Upgrade BARS to Irbis Standard giving peak power from 5 kw to 20 kw and increasing average power of Radar , The backed end is made compatible to add AESA in the future ie no need to replace the back end in the future should IAF demand for AESA
2 ) Upgrade AL-31FP engine to AL-41F1 as in Su-35S ....Russia is already doing that for SU-30SM so we can tail along ( http://tass.com/defense/1046519 ) will give more thrust and power requirement of modernised Radar
3 ) Add DRDO developed MAWS and AESA based EW
4 ) Sensor Fuse all the Avionics/Radar etc , Top Owl HMD to replace Sura-K
5 ) Add Improve IRST as on Su-35 or indiginous options available
6 ) Add all the indigenous weapons to MKI and newer AAM R-77-1, RVV-MD and RVV-BD

http://cast.ru/eng/comments/russia-...r-india-s-ultra-advanced-flanker-upgrade.html

 

[Ali_Baba]

for 1) So the Radar will remain a PESA with only difference being peak output?

 

[CONNAN]

for 1) So the Radar will remain a PESA with only difference being peak output?

As of now everything is speculation need to wait till they finalize contract then only we will know what will go into the super Su 30 upgrade

 

[polanski]

Embarrassing Display: Russian Su-35 shot down a Su-30SM2: https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2020/09/26/embarrasing-display-russian-su-35-shot-down-a-su-30sm2/

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

Embarrassing Display: Russian Su-35 shot down a Su-30SM2: https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2020/09/26/embarrasing-display-russian-su-35-shot-down-a-su-30sm2/

Friendly fire.

 

[MirageBlue]

Embarrassing Display: Russian Su-35 shot down a Su-30SM2: https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2020/09/26/embarrasing-display-russian-su-35-shot-down-a-su-30sm2/

Not the first time it's happened.

PAF F-16 was shot down by another PAF F-16 that fired a Sidewinder. That was fratricide in combat.

 

[rockstarIN]

it never took off from the negotiation table/drawing board officially. According to the report, the ‘Super Sukhoi’ upgrade for the IAF’s fleet of Su-30s is in advanced levels of discussions, with modernisation plans for avionics, engines and weaponry. SO They are still in talks with the ruskies

So far I heard, IAF waited Meteors but MBDA rejected due to Russian radar. Derby ER was available since 2018 and is getting integrated. Astra -1 already there.

 

[rockstarIN]

Or IAF is matting Israeli/French Missiles without going deep into an expensive upgrade as such? lastly, IAF was buying BVRs especially and upgrade Sukhoi with Israeli or French Avionics/Weaponry.

Derby-ER is integrated, next gen software refined communication (Rafael Bnet) already done in all MKIs.(It was going on since 2018)