Strongest Empires by timeline

[BLACKEAGLE]

Iran Elamite empire was the amongs first empires along with the ones from Iraq.
the first recorded war is even from the Iran-iraq.

Only an idiot would deny the magnificence of egyptian culture.

but did you know egyptian took their idea fro pyramds from Iran?
your first pyramid has steps, and the oldest zigurrats are from Iran.

Right, there were pyramids in central America before...

 

[Ottoman-Turk]

gokturks were massive aswell 6million km- just to remind you this is only one of the TURKIC EMPIRES of the many many

 

[p(-)0ENiX]

The source you provided is clearly written by a Muslim:1001 Inventions - Discover The Muslim Heritage In Our World | 1001 Inventions
Also, you really can't give a counter example when the discussion is about a trend, from democracy to logic to another million topics, the west has always claimed they invented/discovered things others did before them. Yes, as you said there are exceptions but they are the other way around. I don't know if its naivety or cultural indoctrination, but your way of defending western hypocrisy is disappointing.

Yea, I just took another look at the article & the source is Islamic but The Independent is still a UK based website. What's wrong with my example of Afro centrism? Its also a trend among many people today & just because it happens to be a recent trend doesn't mean its any better or worse than Euro centrism. Overall today most nations do get credit for their hard work.

I am not defending the west, in fact I am trying hard to not take sides at all. But when people take cheap shots against others I will defend them, no matter who they are. Many members here from all parts of the world posting on this thread are filled with prejudice, racism, & some extreme form of nationalism. What do you have to say about them? Is that due to cultural indoctrination or naivety?

The fact is that many of the empires being discussed here were like Titans at their peak, but they all collapsed & died like a cat run over by a car. Their descendants today hardly have much if any of the former glory of their ancestors.

 

[The SC]

well the word Aryan have nothing to do with being Fertile it means being Noble and have a Sanskrit root not an Aramaic root like the word Arab

I am talking about the root "AR" not the words aryan or arab.
The whole Indian history started to be revised in the 70s of this century!

because using steps to buildind pyramids is the easiest way to build one. Pyramids itself are the easiest tall structures to build our of any other shapes. So naturally the egyptians went for the pyramids. Pyramids are found in a lot of other places.

A ziggurat and a pyramid are different in almost every way- being made differently and used differently, but they both show some of the religious and cultural patterns of their makers, the Sumerians and the Egyptians.

Difference Between Ziggurats and Pyramids:

http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/difference-between-ziggurats-and-pyramids/

Whats wrong with saying facts, are you against stating facts now?
In any case, I thought you guys would love to go to hell, so you can worship fire forever.

Oh, now Zoroastrians hiding behind Iranian Muslims!

 

[The SC]

yes then by that logic

shutor>lion?



once again another BS.

the mayans and babylonian had zero thousand yeas before arab.
arab stole indian numeral systems.just like you try and steal our scientists.

That is why their calendars were soooo precise!
No offence, but it is a question of the evolution of sciences and mostly mathematics, physics by consequence, and philosophy was the mother of all sciences.
I am not denying that India had a concept of the zero, but not as a number, rather as a symbol describing the neon or void.
The most sophisticated system for counting(apart from the egyptian civilisaton mysteries) was the Roman system which fell short of using the Zero.
Indian numerals , despite what westerners and Indians are saying had nothing to do with Arabic numerals who till very recently started to be called the Indo-Arabic numerals, someone did obviously add the "Indo" term to it.

Islamic History in Arabia and Middle East

The first sign that the Indian numerals were moving west comes from a source which predates the rise of the Arab nations. In 662 AD Severus Sebokht, a Nestorian bishop who lived in Keneshra on the Euphrates river, wrote:-

I will omit all discussion of the science of the Indians, ... , of their subtle discoveries in astronomy, discoveries that are more ingenious than those of the Greeks and the Babylonians, and of their valuable methods of calculation which surpass description. I wish only to say that this computation is done by means of nine signs. If those who believe, because they speak Greek, that they have arrived at the limits of science, would read the Indian texts, they would be convinced, even if a little late in the day, that there are others who know something of value.
http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/HistTopics/Arabic_numerals.html

 

[p(-)0ENiX]

I am talking about the root "AR" not the words aryan or arab.

In terms of religion Prophet Noah (Peace be upon him) had 3 sons, in the order of their birth they are Shem, Ham, & Japheth.

Shem is the father of the Semitic people, as in the original speakers of the Semitic languages. As far as I know the region the Children of Shem originally inhabited is all of Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, Palestine, Israel & Lebanon.

Arabic is a Semitic language.

Japheth is the father of the Indo-European people as in the original speakers of the Indo-European languages. Keep in mind that even though Indo-European languages are some of the most spoken languages today, not all of the speakers of those languages are the Children of Japheth. This is because of cultural influence causing the spread of languages.

Sanskrit is an Indo-European language, a distant sister language of Ancient Greek & Latin if I am not mistaken. This implies that the original speakers of these languages were most likely distant genetic cousins, similar to how the Ishmaelites & Israelites are genetic cousins that speak sister languages, in this case Arabic & Hebrew.

The similarity between the word Aryan & Arab is just a coincidence caused by the English language. Or why does the word Hebrew not resemble the word Aryan or the word Arab keeping in mind the Arabs are their cousins?

In Arabic, here are the words for both Arab & Hebrew.

Arab عربي This is pronounced as "Erby".

Hebrew عبري This is pronounced as "Ebry".

The word for Aryan is الآرية, its pronunciation is just like the Sanskrit word "Arya".

You can notice in Arabic the words "Erby" & "Ebry" are extremely similar because from what I know they refer to a person named Eber who happens to be the great grandson of Shem & is an ancestor of both the Ishmaelites & Israelites. In Arabic the word for Aryan has a separate sound from the word Arab as compared to English because it lacks the sound of the Arabic letter "ع".

Keep in mind that I might be wrong about this, & if someone has better knowledge on this subject, then they should correct me. Oh yeah the Arabic speakers on this forum should correct me if I made a mistake too.

 

[The SC]

chera ba in shutora ahmagh bas mikoni? baba veleshoon kon.

ina ahmagh hastan. low lives also.

Swallow back your words.


The Aramaic Language

Aramaic is one of the Semitic languages, an important group of languages known almost from the beginning of human history and including also Arabic, Hebrew, Ethiopic, and Akkadian (ancient Babylonian and Assyrian). It is particularly closely related to Hebrew, and was written in a variety of alphabetic scripts. (What is usually called "Hebrew" script is actually an Aramaic script.)

Aramaic as an Imperial Language

Aramaic was used by the conquering Assyrians as a language of administration communication, and following them by the Babylonian and Persian empires, which ruled from India to Ethiopia, and employed Aramaic as the official language. For this period, then (about 700–320 B.C.E.), Aramaic held a position similar to that occupied by English today. The most important documents of this period are numerous papyri from Egypt and Palestine.


The Aramaic Language

The Arabic language;

http://www.indiana.edu/~arabic/arabic_history.htm

http://www.jaas.org/edocs/v14n1/e8.pdf

 

[The SC]

being the only super power in world is a little extreme ,at the time we don't have to much knowledge about what we had in india and china and also egypt power never exceed Jordan also at the time in Mesopotamia there was Sumerian civilization and in central Iran we had Jiroft culture which date back to early Bronze age or 3000 year B.C. and they were advanced enough to make golden eye implant and do surgery on skull and had a alphabetic writing system which were similar to the Elamite writing system
Shahr-e Sukhteh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jiroft culture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Art find in Egypt 15,000 years old:

Yale: Art find in Egypt 15,000 years old - Connecticut Post

 

[The SC]

In terms of religion Prophet Noah (Peace be upon him) had 3 sons, in the order of their birth they are Shem, Ham, & Japheth.

Shem is the father of the Semitic people, as in the original speakers of the Semitic languages. As far as I know the region the Children of Shem originally inhabited is all of Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, Palestine, Israel & Lebanon.

es & Israelites. In Arabic the word for Aryan has a separate sound from the word Arab as compared to English because it lacks the sound of the Arabic letter "ع".

Keep in mind that I might be wrong about this, & if someone has better knowledge on this subject, then they should correct me. Oh yeah the Arabic speakers on this forum should correct me if I made a mistake too.

Just add the letter "ع" to Aryan and it will give you the same as Arabic or Hebrew, but without the "b",
And please, what language did Abraham(as) [or-Brahman- in Sanskrit ](Open your Eyes) spoke.

 

[The SC]

Yea, I just took another look at the article & the source is Islamic but The Independent is still a UK based website. What's wrong with my example of Afro centrism? Its also a trend among many people today & just because it happens to be a recent trend doesn't mean its any better or worse than Euro centrism. Overall today most nations do get credit for their hard work.

I am not defending the west, in fact I am trying hard to not take sides at all. But when people take cheap shots against others I will defend them, no matter who they are. Many members here from all parts of the world posting on this thread are filled with prejudice, racism, & some extreme form of nationalism. What do you have to say about them? Is that due to cultural indoctrination or naivety?

The fact is that many of the empires being discussed here were like Titans at their peak, but they all collapsed & died like a cat run over by a car. Their descendants today hardly have much if any of the former glory of their ancestors.

Discussing History is bitter even between neutral professional historians!

well the word Aryan have nothing to do with being Fertile it means being Noble and have a Sanskrit root not an Aramaic root like the word Arab

Please refer to the fertile crescent !

Fertile Crescent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[nalandapride]

Just add the letter "ع" to Aryan and it will give you the same as Arabic or Hebrew, but without the "b",
And please, what language did Abraham(as) [or-Brahman- in Sanskrit ](Open your Eyes) spoke.

Don't take it offensive but care to explain this part please. If you have any question you can ask me also. I have seem some Muslim clerics trying to connect these two words.

By the way, Sanskrit language has many similarities with ancient Avestan language.

 

[IbnAlwaled]

@The SC,
I asked you :

Why haven't it crossed your mind that maybe English is not the best language to trace the origin of name Arab?
There is a disagreement between Arab scholars for the origin of the name, but most say that its probably from Yarab:
يعرب - ويكيبيديا، الموسوعة الØ*رة

still waiting...


@p(-)0ENiX :

terms of religion Prophet Noah (Peace be upon him) had 3 sons, in the order of their birth they are Shem, Ham, & Japheth.

Shem is the father of the Semitic people, as in the original speakers of the Semitic languages. As far as I know the region the Children of Shem originally inhabited is all of Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, Palestine, Israel & Lebanon.

Arabic is a Semitic language.

Japheth is the father of the Indo-European people as in the original speakers of the Indo-European languages. Keep in mind that even though Indo-European languages are some of the most spoken languages today, not all of the speakers of those languages are the Children of Japheth. This is because of cultural influence causing the spread of languages.

Sanskrit is an Indo-European language, a distant sister language of Ancient Greek & Latin if I am not mistaken. This implies that the original speakers of these languages were most likely distant genetic cousins, similar to how the Ishmaelites & Israelites are genetic cousins that speak sister languages, in this case Arabic & Hebrew.

Except that Arabs are Semites and Arabic is Semitic language, there is no proof of what you said whatsoever.
I think this comes from Talmudic nonsense.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Art find in Egypt 15,000 years old:

Yale: Art find in Egypt 15,000 years old - Connecticut Post

15000 years ago is stone age , there never was an empire in that time trade was no trade
there was nothing to call an empire .

Art find in Egypt 15,000 years old:

Yale: Art find in Egypt 15,000 years old - Connecticut Post

15000 years ago is stone age , there never was an empire in that time trade was no trade
there was nothing to call an empire .

 

[Hack-Hook]

Please refer to the fertile crescent !

Fertile Crescent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Honestly , who made you think people of North Caucasians (the Chechens, the Ingush, the Batsbi, and the people of Dagestan) are Aryan if you want to know its the people of Southern Caucasus that their language is part of Indo-Eurropean family of languages it means Armenian and Ossetic peoples

these are the people that you mistaken with Aryans

 

[p(-)0ENiX]

@p(-)0ENiX :

Except that Arabs are Semites and Arabic is Semitic language, there is no proof of what you said whatsoever.
I think this comes from Talmudic nonsense.

I never said that Arabs weren't Semites & that Arabic isn't a Semitic language. Wrong, most of this comes from the Book of Genesis. What is there no proof of? Isn't Sanskrit an Indo-European language? Doesn't that make it the distant sister language of other Indo-European languages? Aren't Israelites & Ishmaelites genetic cousins? Aren't Hebrew & Arabic sister languages? What part is there no proof of? Oh you are talking about the existence of Shem, Ham, & Japheth am I right?

You claim that "Except that Arabs are Semites and Arabic is Semitic language, there is no proof of what you said whatsoever." so this means that Sanskrit isn't an Indo-European language according to you right?

Next time make it clear, what part exactly do you not agree with? Don't try to create arguments out of spite. I hope you know that the word Semitic is derived from the word Shem.

One more thing, I found a family tree of the various prophets on this site for you to check out.

http://heshamsyed.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/family-tree-of-prophets.gif

In the map, the person after "Nuh" called "Sam" is Shem & Yafid is "Japheth".

Just add the letter "ع" to Aryan and it will give you the same as Arabic or Hebrew, but without the "b",
And please, what language did Abraham(as) [or-Brahman- in Sanskrit ](Open your Eyes) spoke.

Two words, Aryan & Arab sound similar & all of a sudden that some how proves that the people have the same lineage huh?

Abraham was from Babylon right? So he must have spoken a Semitic language, some claim it was Aramaic, others claim it was Hebrew or Akkadian (Extinct language of Mesopotamia). Similarities between words or names is no proof of people having the same lineage.