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Stop bashing Muslims, and start focusing on positive Hindutva

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In 2014, half of India’s voters picked neither Congress nor BJP. We (I was among them) should be reconciled to the idea that Hindutva will be around for a length of time. We must get used to it in Delhi. But we must see also if we can shape it and influence it from the outside.
This is required for one reason: Hindutva is essentially negative. It offers nothing constructive to Hindus, who are 80% of Indians. Let me explain what I mean. The three classic Hindutva thrusts, the issues which built the party over the decades, do not concern Hindus but address others. The issues are Ayodhya (Muslims must not keep their mosque), Uniform Civil Code (Muslims must not keep their personal law) and Article 370 (Muslims must not keep their constitutional autonomy).
What will Hindus like me get out of these demands? Nothing I can think of. Those who properly study it realize that Hindu rashtra can only be brought about by the mistreatment of others.
Hindutva is like status anxiety in reverse. It is anxious about lowering the lot of others. When its gaze is turned inwards it has nothing to say.
This separates Hindutva from, say, Islamism. The modern Islamist movement comes out of the writing of a man from Maharashtra called Maududi. He is the author of the idea of the Islamic state and most of its features spring from his writing.
Many readers will know that Pakistan discriminates against its minorities constitutionally. No Christian can become Pakistan’s president and no Hindu can become its prime minister, by law. In the 1970s, Zulfikar Bhutto’s second amendment apostatised a sect of Muslims who today cannot even call their mosque a mosque (the press refers to them as ‘place of worship’).
There were other things that the Islamists thought would change society, such as prohibition for Muslims (Pakistani Christians and Hindus can drink). In the 1980s under Zia, Pakistan introduced what is called hadd/hudood punishment (lashes for those who drank, amputation at the wrist for theft, stoning for adultery etc). These laws are in existence but not implemented in Pakistan. This is because the state wants to be Islamist but is essentially modern and recoils from executing such punishment. Every so often, there is talk that Pakistan should abolish interest because it is essentially un-lslamic. This may mean that the banking system will collapse overnight but it will bring blessings (barkat).
There are other small things (PIA flights always begin with an Arabic prayer) and medium-sized things, like forcible confiscation of a part of bank fixed deposits at Eid towards zakat (many Pakistani Sunnis claim to be Shias to avoid paying this).
Anyway, my point is that whether one is fascinated by, attracted to or repelled by such things, it is an observable fact that for the most part Islamism addresses Muslims and tries to reform their behaviour. What about Hindutva? Not so, as we have seen. It consists entirely of whining about others.
The things that get the BJP excited even today, now that it is in power, still concern Muslims, which explains the focus on peripheral things like beef and nationalism. Is that because Hindus are a perfect society? Of course not.
In drawing up a list of things Hindutva should instead be doing one hardly knows where to begin. It could take up the rest of this page. What about inequality? Ensuring affirmative action or reservations for Dalits and Adivasis, who are 25% of India’s population and totally marginalized, in the corporate sector would do wonders for Hindu society. So also the promotion of inter-caste marriage, especially between Dalit and savarna, and especially through personal example. Hindutva heroes like the Chitpavan Brahmin Savarkar wrote warmly about inter-caste weddings. But one notices that they ultimately arranged their own children’s marriages with other Chitpavan Brahmins.
Then there are things which will boost all of us economically. Getting Hindus, particularly the mercantile classes, to pay their income tax in full. Getting the upper classes to begin a Hindu tradition of philanthropy (currently missing) that will spread the wealth. Such things are to me substantial and meaningful Hindu issues and requiring the attention of the state.
What is needed is to push for a positive agenda for Hindutva. It is our misfortune that we are going to have to suffer it for a length of time. But that doesn’t mean that we allow it to continue unopposed in its negative-only agenda.
 
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"In 2014, half of India’s voters picked neither Congress nor BJP."

Some one tell this messiah of liberalism that India is a multiparty democracy not two party system, but I guess such facts are not worth pondering upon while sermonizing the secular herd.
 
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We Muslim love as much as majority Hindu do. for unity sovereignty and integrity we can lay our lives. We want united India at any cost

Yes but the reality is that history weighs down on the subcontinent

The hindus were humiliated for centuries on end

The riots today against unarmed Muslim civilians is partly due to the weight of this hindu humiliation and their desire for revenge

Modi was complicit in the slaughter of muslims in Gujrat or you could believe he was not but either way this was part of the reason so many hindus supported him


Now you can walk blindly like the German Jews or you can wake up and prepare to defend yourselves

Because your government, police and hindu neighbours wont
 
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We Muslim love as much as majority Hindu do. for unity sovereignty and integrity we can lay our lives. We want united India at any cost
Hmm.. wanting to play devils advocate here. Actually for a muslim, its beneficial if India splits rather than barely stick together. Infact for the greater good of all the people, it would be better if India becomes only a geographical entity like it was for most of its existence. It would mean no paranoid central government with all the rep tape and obstructive laws to keep this jiggly jig of a country barely together.
 
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"The three classic Hindutva thrusts, the issues which built the party over the decades, do not concern Hindus but address others. The issues are Ayodhya (Muslims must not keep their mosque), Uniform Civil Code (Muslims must not keep their personal law) and Article 370 (Muslims must not keep their constitutional autonomy)."

WTF? Koi mere Aakar Patel ko ache doctor ke dikhao :cray:
 
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You dont think hindus were humiliated by muslims armies, emperors and kings marching into the heart of india destroying your most holy temples, desecration of your faith and culture for years on end?
Dude, if you said this in India you would be branded a hate monger. Such things didn't happen, all thanks to the magic of re-writing textbooks. Aryan invasion didn't happen, Muslim invasion didn't happen, and Europeans Colonialists are traders. Politically correct nonsense is everywhere in India.
 
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Hmm.. wanting to play devils advocate here. Actually for a muslim, its beneficial if India splits rather than barely stick together. Infact for the greater good of all the people, it would be better if India becomes only a geographical entity like it was for most of its existence. It would mean no paranoid central government with all the rep tape and obstructive laws to keep this jiggly jig of a country barely together.

Allaahhh huu achkbar miya.

Dude, if you said this in India you would be branded a hate monger. Such things didn't happen, all thanks to the magic of re-writing textbooks. Aryan invasion didn't happen, Muslim invasion didn't happen, and Europeans Colonialists are traders. Politically correct nonsense is everywhere in India.

real Hindus remained Hindus, the new age muslims like you are the result of raped and humiliated hindus who became slaves and then converted to save their lives.

So any and all humiliation is yours to bear, not ours. :azn:

...... or are you now going to claim arab heritage ? :lol:
 
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Allaahhh huu achkbar miya.
May he touch you with the noodly appendage too.

real Hindus remained Hindus, the new age muslims like you are the result of raped and humiliated hindus who became slaves and then converted to save their lives.

So any and all humiliation is yours to bear, not ours.

...... or are you now going to claim arab heritage ?
I love the minds of the unwashed masses. So cute and one dimensional. If anyone says anything different than the government, then he has to be a Muslim.
 
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May he touch you with the noodly appendage too.

Yuck. No thanks. You can continue to suck on that.

I love the minds of the unwashed masses. So cute and one dimensional. If anyone says anything different than the government, then he has to be a Muslim.

Sadly I do not share your love for your kind.

Its your narrow mind, ignorant views, hateful temperament and spiteful views that identify your kind. Adios mullah su-su.
 
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May he touch you with the noodly appendage too.


I love the minds of the unwashed masses. So cute and one dimensional. If anyone says anything different than the government, then he has to be a Muslim.

Just show your flag, man. Why hide it?
 
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In 2014, half of India’s voters picked neither Congress nor BJP. We (I was among them) should be reconciled to the idea that Hindutva will be around for a length of time. We must get used to it in Delhi. But we must see also if we can shape it and influence it from the outside.
This is required for one reason: Hindutva is essentially negative. It offers nothing constructive to Hindus, who are 80% of Indians. Let me explain what I mean. The three classic Hindutva thrusts, the issues which built the party over the decades, do not concern Hindus but address others. The issues are Ayodhya (Muslims must not keep their mosque), Uniform Civil Code (Muslims must not keep their personal law) and Article 370 (Muslims must not keep their constitutional autonomy).
What will Hindus like me get out of these demands? Nothing I can think of. Those who properly study it realize that Hindu rashtra can only be brought about by the mistreatment of others.
Hindutva is like status anxiety in reverse. It is anxious about lowering the lot of others. When its gaze is turned inwards it has nothing to say.
This separates Hindutva from, say, Islamism. The modern Islamist movement comes out of the writing of a man from Maharashtra called Maududi. He is the author of the idea of the Islamic state and most of its features spring from his writing.
Many readers will know that Pakistan discriminates against its minorities constitutionally. No Christian can become Pakistan’s president and no Hindu can become its prime minister, by law. In the 1970s, Zulfikar Bhutto’s second amendment apostatised a sect of Muslims who today cannot even call their mosque a mosque (the press refers to them as ‘place of worship’).
There were other things that the Islamists thought would change society, such as prohibition for Muslims (Pakistani Christians and Hindus can drink). In the 1980s under Zia, Pakistan introduced what is called hadd/hudood punishment (lashes for those who drank, amputation at the wrist for theft, stoning for adultery etc). These laws are in existence but not implemented in Pakistan. This is because the state wants to be Islamist but is essentially modern and recoils from executing such punishment. Every so often, there is talk that Pakistan should abolish interest because it is essentially un-lslamic. This may mean that the banking system will collapse overnight but it will bring blessings (barkat).
There are other small things (PIA flights always begin with an Arabic prayer) and medium-sized things, like forcible confiscation of a part of bank fixed deposits at Eid towards zakat (many Pakistani Sunnis claim to be Shias to avoid paying this).
Anyway, my point is that whether one is fascinated by, attracted to or repelled by such things, it is an observable fact that for the most part Islamism addresses Muslims and tries to reform their behaviour. What about Hindutva? Not so, as we have seen. It consists entirely of whining about others.
The things that get the BJP excited even today, now that it is in power, still concern Muslims, which explains the focus on peripheral things like beef and nationalism. Is that because Hindus are a perfect society? Of course not.
In drawing up a list of things Hindutva should instead be doing one hardly knows where to begin. It could take up the rest of this page. What about inequality? Ensuring affirmative action or reservations for Dalits and Adivasis, who are 25% of India’s population and totally marginalized, in the corporate sector would do wonders for Hindu society. So also the promotion of inter-caste marriage, especially between Dalit and savarna, and especially through personal example. Hindutva heroes like the Chitpavan Brahmin Savarkar wrote warmly about inter-caste weddings. But one notices that they ultimately arranged their own children’s marriages with other Chitpavan Brahmins.
Then there are things which will boost all of us economically. Getting Hindus, particularly the mercantile classes, to pay their income tax in full. Getting the upper classes to begin a Hindu tradition of philanthropy (currently missing) that will spread the wealth. Such things are to me substantial and meaningful Hindu issues and requiring the attention of the state.
What is needed is to push for a positive agenda for Hindutva. It is our misfortune that we are going to have to suffer it for a length of time. But that doesn’t mean that we allow it to continue unopposed in its negative-only agenda.


I am planning to read it at leisure later this evening. Thank you.
 
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Yuck. No thanks. You can continue to suck on that.



Sadly I do not share your love for your kind.

Its your narrow mind, ignorant views, hateful temperament and spiteful views that identify your kind. Adios mullah su-su.
I bet you didn't even knew what it means. :lol:
Idiots.

Just show your flag, man. Why hide it?

Like I said, one dimensional fools.
 
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