My comment on your post about Mandarine and Mongolian, mod deleted it.
Now is about histories of USA and UK in comparation with Vietnam and China; North Amerika was colony of Britain and
gained his independence from United kingdom, but Vietnam
regained his independence from China. You said you have been reading 《大越史记全书》, you have to know well that before the time when Chinese (Qin) expended to the southern area if China mainland, Vietnam was existed as independence state mamed: Au Lac and our Emperor was Hung Vuong and late on An Duong Vuong ( 安暘王
. Zhiao Da of Nan Yue Guo is backstabbed An Duong Vuong, betrayed Peace Aggreement with Vietnam. it' was difference story.
the feudalism in Asia based on Confucian idea in China and Vietnam was backward and low efficiency. There is reason why China and Vietnam was losers when facing with western capitalists in the last centuries.
I oppose deleting posts unless some grossly abusive languages are employed ...
I don’t know how and when you can get rid of your crooked thinking, but one sure way is to educate yourself by reading more books from all sides.
China was composed of many independent states, too. So what!
In fact, lots of ancient Vietnamese ran away from Vietnamese brutality and worked for the Chinese, and made their historical achievement with their name in Hall of Fame. Your people 李翁仲 is such a person. Quote (大越史記全書/外紀卷之一
: “秦併六國，稱皇帝。時我交趾慈廉人李翁仲，身長二丈三尺。少時往郷吧供力役，為長官所笞。遂入仕秦，至司隷校尉。始皇得天下，使將兵守臨洮，聲振匈奴，及老歸田里卒。始皇以為異，鑄銅為像，置咸陽司馬門，腹中容數十人，濳搖動之，匈奴以為生校尉，不敢犯 “
https://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/大越史記全書/外紀卷之一
Briefly: 李翁仲 was tall. He was beaten by (Vietnamese) official and ran into Qin and became an official, upto the rank of 司隷校尉. Qin Emperor made him guard against Huns and scared the Huns till he retired to his farm and died there. Emperor thought it was extraordinary, and made a bronze status of him, with a few dozen people inside, shaking it. Huns though he was still alive, daring not invade.
While you are allowed to argue, but at least your famous historian 黎文休 agreed that the Chinese Zhao Tuo (趙佗
was the first who established a country called Vietnam in today’s sense, implying that before that era, Vietnam were merely composed of stateless tribes. He thus said (quote) “赵武帝能
开拓我越，而自帝其国，与汉抗衡，书称老夫，
为我越倡始帝王之基业，其功可谓大矣。”( 大越史记全书/外纪卷之二,
https://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/大越史記全書/外紀卷之二 ) briefly: Zhao Wu Di (Zhao Tuo) can
establish my Vietnam, and self-enthrones in the state, balancing against Han Dynasty,
starting the foundations of Vietnam Dynasties for us, the contribution is extraordinary.
Here we can derive two important conclusions: 1) before Zhao Tuo, Vietnam politically was composed of tribes fighting each other among themselves. None of them could call themselves Vietnam in today’s sense. A country called Vietnam in today’s sense was simply not there. 2) the country called Vietnam in today’s sense, politically and culturally, was established by a Chinese called Zhao Tuo as recognized by your Vietnamese, which could distinguish itself from northern Han Dynasty and defend itself against the northern.
The Chinese mentality seems very different from yours. They never say Mongolians are not ours and Manchurians are foreigners, very much like citizens in USA who never say Mexican or African Americans are not Americans. They consider all other racial components of the country as their same countryman.
In Vietnam, the Chinese were the major component being suppressed as Vietnam communists took over the power. They want to purge Hoa (Chinese) ethnically because they foolishly believe Vietnam has to be ruled by Vietnamese race, similar to Hitler's idea. This is one of the reasons why your Vietnam today is still a sh!thole of economy.
Even today, in this forum, overwhelmingly larger amount of internet Vietnamese demonstrate their the kinds of thoughts via various posts, such as mocking Mongolian or Manchurian invasion of China.
The deep misunderstanding lies in the difference between Chinese and Vietnamese mentalities shaped by geography and over the millenniums of history : 1) China geographically centers in Asia: people moving around Asia have a larger chance to come to China, whereas Vietnam sits in a corner of Indo-China peninsular, with much less temptation for land traveler which was much affordable in old times. Thus, the Chinese are broader minded than Vietnamese. 2) When the Mongolians and Manchurians invaded China, they did not think Chinese culture was inferior and needed to be wiped out or replaced (like British invasion of India or French/China invasion of Vietnam). Rather, those then semi-foreigners believed China’s culture was superior to their owns but the Chinese rulers needed to be replaced. And those invaders relentlessly adopted/enjoyed Chinese language/culture/tradition as their own. Unlike India or Vietnam situation, where mostly local languages were replaced or suppressed due to being considered less useful or inferior. For the 2nd aspect, please read Dr. Henry Kissinger’s book <On China>.
This is how Chinese culture and language has never been interrupted despite of so many invasions in the past, and nearly after every breaking up of the country, China reunified with even bigger territory: those “barbarians” loved to be civilized or sinicized.
In your guys pitiful thinking, as if bring up Manchurian flag would shame the Chinese, the fact is no Chinese cares
as in Chinese internet, enormous amount of flags from various reasons can be viewed. Do you know the “Iron blood 13-star” flag? Do you know Qing navy dragon flag? (BTW, dragon is a typical sign of Chinese culture, but the Manchurian desperately attempted to claim to inherit
. Pitifully and regrettably, not many Manchurian today can write their own backward writings. ) Do you know Chinese Soviet Central Government flag when Mao Ze Dong proposed those provinces should be independent from China? LOL! More importantly, do you know the history and meanings of those flags? Probably not, as
you boys bring out those flags with a toddler’s mentality: pitiful and laughable.
I think while I respect Vietnamese self-determination (to some destination of either prosperity or destitute), missing out Chinese boat is pretty pitiful and de-sinicization is lamentable as it will, if not handled properly, come with huge collateral damage deep to the root of your country.
And even funnier today:
the friendship between Vietnam and China is considered unbelievable by some your internet Vietnamese!
Do your Vietnamese only believe in wars with China? If so, you must be crazy!
BTW, you are not losing to western capitalism, you are losing to your own by the fact that you don't make people live better and only think of war at the expense of their blood. If you keep your foolish ideology while keep people uneducated and poor, and, in your particular case, advocate war against China, you will eventually lose your country as many times happened in your history.
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