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EU agencies back PH stand on sea dispute
By Joyce Pangco Panares | Posted on Nov. 06, 2012 at 12:01am

The European Council, the European Commission, and European countries Switzerland and Norway have thrown their support behind the Philippines’ position to resolve the territorial dispute in the West Philippine Sea through a multilateral approach.

This was after President Benigno Aquino III raised the issue on the dispute in the West Philippine Sea during his bilateral meetings with Swiss President Eveline Widner-Schlumpf, Norwegian Prime Minister Jen Stoltenberg, European Council President Herman von Rompuy and European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso on Monday.


In Laos. President Benigno Aquino III is greeted by Laos’ President Choummaly Sayasone, center, and his wife Sayasone as he arrives for the 9th Asia-Europe Meeting.
“The President noted the increasing importance of maritime security in the west Philippine Sea. There was agreement that it is a matter of international interest considering that significant amount of world trade passes through that body of water,” Presidential Communications Operations Office Secretary Herminio Coloma said in an interview from Vientiane.

“Switzerland and the EU and to some extent also, Norway, indicated their full support to the Philippines in terms of our position that conflicts or disputes in that area are to be resolved peacefully and following international laws. And in particular, they expressed support for an Asean-centric approach, which has always been the position of President Aquino considering that four out of the ten member-states of Asean have specific stakes in the West Philippine Sea,” Coloma added.

Coloma said Mr. Aquino’s European counterparts agreed that “the only logical approach to any conflict resolution would have to be multilateral.”

The Philippines earlier figured in a heated row with China over the Panatag Shoal, with Beijing insisting on a bilateral solution to the conflicting claims.

The Philippines, however, has been pushing for a legally binding Code of Conduct to govern the territorial disputes.

Manila has also raised the possibility of bringing up its claim before the United Nations International Tribunal on the Law of the Seas.

EU agencies back PH stand on sea dispute - Manila Standard Today

 

[EastSea]

Vietnam prepared for worst,

 

[HongWu]

Target practice for our new spike missiles and our terradores (Marksman's) and other claimants which can defend themselves do yourselves a favor stop being warmongers and better solve this diplomatically like everyone else love to do why do you people love war think you can win against the whole world

We don't need to fight again the whole world. Just some pathetic, corrupt, poor and big-mouthed nations including Philippines. We can snap your back like a twig.

 

[HongWu]

Vietnam prepared for worst,

Ready for agent orange spraying?

EU agencies back PH stand on sea dispute
By Joyce Pangco Panares | Posted on Nov. 06, 2012 at 12:01am

How pathetic. EU said nothing about backing Philippines!

Brussels firmly supports "a rules-based and peaceful resolution of disputes in the said maritime area in accordance with international law."

EU to PH: We support peace in South China Sea

Pinoys go home losing to China again

 

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Beijing's Senkaku goal: Sub 'safe haven' in South China Sea

Quest for isles a strategic aim: former MSDF rear admiral

Silent service?: A Chinese submarine takes part in an international fleet review to celebrate the 60th anniversary of the founding of the People's Liberation Army Navy in Qingdao, Shandong Province, in April 2009. REUTERS/KYODO

By REIJI YOSHIDA
Staff writer

What's at stake in the smoldering diplomatic crisis with China over the uninhabited Senkaku Islands, which only seem to attract fishing boats and ultranationalists?

Sub-chaser: Sumihiko Kawamura, ex-commander of the Maritime Self-Defense Force's antisubmarine air wing, is interviewed recently in Chiyoda Ward, Tokyo. REIJI YOSHIDA

Many Japanese observers say Beijing, which claims the Japan-controlled islets in the East China Sea and calls them Diaoyu, is trying to secure natural resources in the surrounding area, whereas China says the islets were captured by Japan in the 1890s at the start of its aggression toward China.

But according to Sumihiko Kawamura, a former rear admiral and commander of the Maritime Self-Defense Force's antisubmarine air wing, Beijing has a more critical but less-articulated goal that, if achieved, could tip strategic military superiority from the United States to China in the Pacific.

Kawamura believes Beijing is trying to turn the South China Sea into "a safe haven" for its nuclear-powered submarines, which are armed with ballistic missiles that can reach the United States. For that purpose, seizing the Senkakus — just 190 km east of Taiwan and close to the northern gateway to the South China Sea — is indispensable, Kawamura says.

Submarine-launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs) are considered China's only viable option to maintain a strong nuclear deterrent against the U.S., because America has identified all of China's ICBM silos and could easily destroy them in a pre-emptive nuclear strike, he says.

If Beijing maintains a second-strike capability with SLBMs that can reach the U.S. mainland, Kawamura says, this risk would possibly dissuade America from intervening in a major conflict involving China.

"This is directly related to the nuclear strategy of China. China will never give up the Senkakus," the former vice principal of the Joint Staff College of the Self-Defense Forces said during a recent interview with The Japan Times.

"This is just the beginning. Even if it takes 100 years, Beijing will try to seize the islands" to turn the South China Sea into a safe haven for its missile subs, he said.

Kawamura indicated the MSDF has the capability, with the U.S. Navy, to contain China's submarines within the South China Sea, which is partially enclosed by Taiwan, the Philippines, Malaysia and Vietnam.

The MSDF's nonnuclear "ultraquiet" submarines, working together with the U.S. Navy, can find, track and even sink any Chinese submarine that tries to enter the Pacific Ocean by crossing anywhere along a sea line that runs from the Japanese main islands to the Philippines via Okinawa and Taiwan, Kawamura said. The Chinese navy calls the line the First Island Chain, given its strategic importance.

"(We can) sink Chinese submarines anytime we want if it comes to a showdown" in the Pacific Ocean, said Kawamura, who in August published a book detailing a possible Japanese-Chinese military clash over the Senkaku Islands.

"No option is left (for China) except for trying to make the South China Sea a safe haven and defending submarines carrying nuclear missiles there," Kawamura said.

According to The New York Times, Xiong Guangkai, then deputy chief of staff of the People's Liberation Army, threatened the U.S. in 1995, saying China would consider launching a nuclear attack on Los Angeles if the U.S. were to intervene in a Taiwan conflict.

In 2005, Maj. Gen. Zhu Chenghu sparked a sensation by telling reporters that Beijing would have no choice but to conduct a pre-emptive nuclear strike against American cities if China faced the prospect of defeat in a conventional conflict over Taiwan.

"Japan has been protected by the nuclear umbrella of the U.S. If the U.S. cannot fully trust its deterrence power (against China), the U.S. won't interfere in" military conflicts between Japan and China, nor those involving Taiwan, he said.

Recently, China started calling the South China Sea one of its "core interests," signaling that no compromise would be acceptable and the use of force wouldn't be ruled out to protect its interests in the area.

China has also opened a large naval base on Hainan Island in the South China Sea that reportedly can accommodate as many as 20 submarines. This is part of the strategy to provide its nuclear-armed subs with a safe haven, Kawamura said.

Experts believe China's SLBMs have a maximum range of about 8,000 km. This means the lower 48 states in the U.S. would be out of reach from submarines in the South China Sea.

But China is working to extend the range of its SLBMs so they can hit the U.S. without its subs having to venture too far into the Pacific, according to Kawamura.

He said he believes China is being forced to follow the same tactic the Soviet Navy adopted during the Cold War.

The MSDF and U.S. Navy were able to track "almost all of the Soviet submarines" and thereby minimized the SLBM threat in the Pacific, Kawamura said.

As part of its nuclear deterrence against the U.S., the Soviet Union tried to turn the Sea of Okhotsk into "a bastion" for its nuclear sub fleet by crowding many surface warships and subs there.

China still lacks the technology to make its submarines stealthy. They are far noisier and easier to track than the Soviet subs, Kawamura said.

"When navigating, Chinese submarines sound like they are pounding a drum or bell," he said.

He believes that for now, the MSDF has supremacy over the Chinese navy, particularly because of its advanced antisubmarine warfare capabilities.

Submarine warfare could be the decisive element in a modern naval engagement. At present, China has only four antisubmarine aircraft, whereas 77 MSDF P-3C sub hunters regularly patrol the seas around Japan.

"As far as submarine warfare is concerned, China still doesn't have the ability to do what we were doing 30 years ago (to counter Soviet submarines). They are 30 years behind us," Kawamura said.

China recently launched its first aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, sparking a media sensation. But the carrier's operational theater would be restricted to just the South China Sea if a real war broke out, given its various technological limitations, Kawamura said.

Echoing many other military analysts, Kawamura noted China lacks the catapult technology to launch heavy carrier-based jets.

China's subs also aren't quiet enough to protect a carrier. The Liaoning would only "fall prey to" MSDF submarines even if it is dispatched, for example, to the East China Sea in the case of a war with Japan, Kawamura said.

"I don't think China will able to have an aircraft carrier that really performs within 10 years or so," he added.

If China were to attack and try to seize the Senkaku Islands now, it might be able to temporarily occupy them. But the occupation would not last long and the Chinese would eventually lose because the MSDF can easily cut off the maritime logistical lines for any occupiers, Kawamura said.

"If China has analyzed (the MSDF's capability) in a calm manner, I don't think it will resort to force. But there can be an accidental escalation" leading to a military clash, he said.

Chinese leaders may also try to use military force to attack the Senkakus to divert the frustration of the Chinese people, Kawamura warned.

He thus urged the government to enact legislation to ease regulations on the MSDF and Japan Coast Guard to allow them to fire warning shots against foreign ships approaching the islets. Otherwise, Chinese ships will keep coming back to the Senkakus for years to show they effectively control the territory, he said.


Beijing's Senkaku goal: Sub 'safe haven' in South China Sea | The Japan Times Online

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[Viet]

Ready for agent orange spra

It appears to me that many Chinese love such stuff. You know what, just give me your home address then you will get sprayed for free.

 

[notte]

Submarine-launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs) are considered China's only viable option to maintain a strong nuclear deterrent against the U.S., because America has identified all of China's ICBM silos and could easily destroy them in a pre-emptive nuclear strike, he says.

Wtf is this ****? Silo has hardened case and nuclear warhead is not bunker buster, how the f*** could it guarantee 100% silos of one of the most invested branch of PLA, are destroyed? And we also have many mobile systems, a preemptive strike will guarantee the destruction of the whole USA

This dude is just stupid, hope Japan has more of this type of officer.

 

[Viet]

S. China Sea fleet holds landing drill
11-05-2012 14:26 BJT

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The Chinese Navy’s South China Sea Fleet has held a landing drill in waters of the South China Sea. The drill involved a formation of destroyers, frigates, landing ships and submarines. The formation first practised using electromagnetic interference equipment.

Meanwhile, a missile was launched to practice defending against incoming aircraft and missiles. Artillery on board ships then fired at fixed targets on shore.

As the drill continued, damage to ships and casualties were simulated.

Under cover of the fleet formation, amphibious armored vehicles, and hovercrafts launched the last wave of attacks on enemy targets, and reclaimed islands occupied by enemy forces.

We are waiting!

"Taratul" class of Viet Nam Navy

 

[Zero_wing]

We don't need to fight again the whole world. Just some pathetic, corrupt, poor and big-mouthed nations including Philippines. We can snap your back like a twig.

And again point proven chinese warmongers are like yourselves instead of proving me wrong just proves me right! Really ok how come no attack happen yet if we and the rest of the region is so easy? and again if you people don't know we are no a tiger economy our corruption days are behind but again if your too stupid not to see it its not my problem.

Back on topic a multilateral diplomacy is the only way out of this your way china way is just for china not for all and this defending you selves is simply not true you have nothing to defend its not yours its for the ASEAN countries really our EZZs and national territories and continental shelf china is simply too far away.

 

[EastSea]

Ready for agent orange spraying?


How pathetic. EU said nothing about backing Philippines!

Brussels firmly supports "a rules-based and peaceful resolution of disputes in the said maritime area in accordance with international law."

EU to PH: We support peace in South China Sea

Pinoys go home losing to China again

You are nursed too much with milk poisioned with Melamine.

 

[yusheng]

China's first deep-water rig to drill in South China Sea

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05-07-2012 22:18 BJT
BEIJING, May 7 (Xinhua) --

The first deep-water drilling rig developed in China will be put into service in the South China Sea on Wednesday, the country's largest offshore oil producer said Monday.

The sixth-generation semi-submersible CNOOC 981 will begin operations in a sea area 320 kilometers southeast of Hong Kong at a water depth of 1,500 meters, China National Offshore Oil Corp. (CNOOC) said in a press release.

Workers are seen as a helicopter land on the
sixth-generation semi-submersible CNOOC 981 at
the South China Sea, 320 kilometers southeast
of Hong Kong, south China, May 7, 2012. The
CNOOC 981 will begin operations in a sea area
at a water depth of 1,500 meters, China National
Offshore Oil Corp. (CNOOC) said in a press
release. This is the first deep-water drilling
rig developed in China. (Xinhua/Jin Liangkuai)



It will be the first independent deep-water oil drilling by a Chinese company, marking "a substantial step" made by the country's deep-sea oil industry, CNOOC said.

About 70 percent of oil and gas reserves in the resource-rich South China Sea is contained in 1.54 million square km of deep-water regions, or sea areas with depths of over 300 meters.

However, most of China's current offshore oil exploration is conducted less than 300 meters below the surface.

The South China Sea is estimated to have 23 billion to 30 billion tonnes of oil and 16 trillion cubic meters of natural gas, accounting for one-third of China's total oil and gas resources.

CNOOC 981 oil rig can reach 10, 000m


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05-09-2012 08:39 BJT

The first deep-water drilling rig developed in China is set to begin work in the South China Sea. China National Offshore Oil Corporation said the CNOOC 981 will be the first independent deep-water oil drilling by a Chinese company.

Operations will begin on Wednesday in waters around 320 kilometres south-east of Hong Kong at a depth of 1, 500 meters. About 70 percent of oil and gas reserves in the resource-rich South China Sea are contained in areas with depths of over 300 meters.

But most of China’s current offshore oil exploration is conducted in water depths less than that. The South China Sea is estimated to account for one-third of China’s total oil and gas resources.

Photo taken on May 7, 2012 shows the sixth-generation semi-submersible CNOOC 981 at
the South China Sea, 320 kilometers southeast of Hong Kong, south China. The CNOOC
981 will begin operations in a sea area at a water depth of 1,500 meters, China
National Offshore Oil Corp. (CNOOC) said in a press release. This is the first
deep-water drilling rig developed in China.

Photo taken on May 7, 2012 shows the sixth-generation semi-submersible CNOOC 981 at
the South China Sea in China, 320 kilometers southeast of Hong Kong, south China.
The CNOOC 981 will begin operations in a sea area at a water depth of 1,500 meters,
China National Offshore Oil Corp. (CNOOC) said in a press release. This is the first
deep-water drilling rig developed in China.

 

[yusheng]

China's 1st deep-water rig to begin operations in sea area

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The first deep-water drilling rig developed in China will be put into service in the South China Sea this morning, said the country’s largest offshore oil producer China’s National Offshore Oil Cooperation, or CNOOC. The sixth-generation semi-submersible CNOOC 981 will begin operation in a sea area 320 kilometers southeast of Hong Kong, at a water depth of 1,500 meters.

It will be the first independent deep-water oil drilling done by a Chinese company.

Photo taken on May 8, 2012 shows central control room of the sixth-generation semi
-submersible CNOOC 981 at the South China Sea, 320 kilometers southeast of Hong Kong,
south China. The CNOOC 981 will begin operations in a sea area at a water depth of
1,500 meters, China National Offshore Oil Corp. (CNOOC) said in a press release. This
is the first deep-water drilling rig developed in China. (Xinhua/Jin Liangkuai)


The "CNOOC 981" can dig as deep as 10,000 meters underground. The deck platform is as big as a football field. It weighs more than 30,000 tons and stands over 136 meters tall. With advanced technology, it is called the "Aircraft carrier" of ocean equipment.

The CNOOC 981 took 6 years to build. It was towed to the east part of the South China Sea in February for a trial operation.

The South China Sea is estimated to have at least 23 billion tons of oil and 16 trillion cubic meters of natural gas, accounting for one-third of China’s total oil and gas resources.

About 70 percent of oil and gas reserves in the resource-rich South China Sea is contained in sea areas with depths of over 300 meters.

At present, most of China’s current offshore oil exploration is conducted less than 300 meters below the surface.

China’s dependence on oil imports has always been a source of concern for the government, which has actively been pushing its oil and gas companies to explore existing reserves and branch out overseas.

In 2011, China imported 57% of the oil it consumed.

A technician checks the sixth-generation semi-submersible CNOOC 981 at the South
China Sea, 320 kilometers southeast of Hong Kong, south China, May 8, 2012.
(Xinhua/Jin Liangkuai)

 

[WuMaoCleverbot]

Ready for agent orange spraying?


How pathetic. EU said nothing about backing Philippines!

Brussels firmly supports "a rules-based and peaceful resolution of disputes in the said maritime area in accordance with international law."

EU to PH: We support peace in South China Sea

Pinoys go home losing to China again

Philippine claim is based on international law while China's ridiculous 9-dash claim is not supported by any international law. We support peace while China wants the SCS disputes be settled by coercion, economic, political and/or military pressures.

To sum up

1. No International Law supports China's 9 dash claim

2. No Legitimate country supports China's 9 dash claim

3. Modern Historical and Archaeological findings contradicts with China's Historical Claim


Maybe you should read these:

No LEGITIMATE Country Supports China’s 9 Dash Claim

They want International Law to be used SPECIFICALLY UNCLOS which CHINA SIGNED!

ASEAN (CAMBODIA, MYANMAR, BURMA, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam, Singapore, Brunei, Philippines)
Six-point principle reiterates ASEAN

ASEAN countries have agreed on the bloc’s six-point principles which include: Full implementation of the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the East Sea (2002) and using International Law to settle dispute, including the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS)

RUSSIA

Del Rosario meets Russian counterpart in Moscow visit | Inquirer Global Nation

Russia Pronounce its support to the Philippines over Spratly disputes with china and other claimants. Russia is supporting the Philippines' stand that RULES based on transparency and diplomacy should be used to resolve maritime issues.


INDIA

The Hindu : News : India for peaceful resolution of South China sea dispute

International Law must be used to resolve dispute

EUROPEAN UNION

EU ready to play vital role in West Philippine Sea dispute | New Europe

EU-Asia Center director Fraser Cameron said during a forum in Manila that the EU supports a rules-based international system and liberty of navigation. The EU believes that territorial disputes should be resolved “in accordance with international law"

NEW ZEALAND

New Zealand backs Philippine position on Spratlys | Inquirer Global Nation

New Zealand backs Philippine position on Spratlys

New Zealand supports the position of the Philippines and other allies that claimants to the Spratly chain of islands must heed the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS)

MALAYSIA

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-filipino/world/05/29/12/malaysia-backs-ph-dispute-vs-china

Malaysia is supporting the Philippines' stand that Manila's dispute with China over ownership of Scarborough shoal should be resolved based on the United Nations Convention on Law of the Sea (UNCLOS)

VIETNAM
Vietnamese Back Philippines

1) Support for the “sovereign rights” of the Philippines in the Scarborough Shoal.
2) Opposition to China’s use of the “nine-dashed line” to make overlapping claims with the Exclusive Economic Zones and continental shelves of the Philippines, Vietnam and other ASEAN countries, as well as opposition to “China’s actions and threats of force,”
3) Support for the Philippines’ proposal to submit the dispute at Scarborough Shoal to the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea (ITLOS).

JAPAN

Philippines gets Japan support on Spratlys dispute | Inquirer Global Nation

President Aquino and Noda “confirmed that freedom of navigation, unimpeded commerce, and compliance with established international law including the UNCLOS and the peaceful settlement of disputes serve the interests of the two countries and the whole region.”

AUSTRALIA

Philippine News The #1 Newspaper Since 1961

Australia said those involved in the territorial dispute — Brunei, China, Malaysia, Philippines, and Taiwan — should adhere to UNCLOS, which codifies the international law of the sea.


USA

Hillary Clinton: Stop using intimidation in asserting Spratlys claims | Sun.Star

They should be following international law, the rule of law, the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (Unclos),

INDONESIA

http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/home/nation/20700-indonesia-supports-phl-stand-on-spratlys

Indonesia supports PHL stand on Spratlys

 

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China's first deep-water rig to drill in South China Sea

we are there
05-07-2012 22:18 BJT
BEIJING, May 7 (Xinhua) --

The first deep-water drilling rig developed in China will be put into service in the South China Sea on Wednesday, the country's largest offshore oil producer said Monday.

The sixth-generation semi-submersible CNOOC 981 will begin operations in a sea area 320 kilometers southeast of Hong Kong at a water depth of 1,500 meters, China National Offshore Oil Corp. (CNOOC) said in a press release.

No matter if China drills oil or naval exercise within China's EEZs. But if they do that within of Vietnam's EEZs (within 200nm from Vietnam's coast), we'll shoot to sink it by our coast missiles systems.

 

[Viet]

The greedy Chinese have set up some oil blocks in the for Vietnam UN approved economic limits?