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whole map of South China Sea:
http://files1.**********/uploadfiles/bbs/2003/11/22/2010147_20436.17.jpg
Vietnam has many islands there,
though the bigest one is held by Taiwan：Taiping Island
Since all claim it, what will happen in the future?
http://files1.**********/uploadfiles/bbs/2003/11/22/2010147_20436.17.jpg
Vietnam has many islands there,
though the bigest one is held by Taiwan：Taiping Island
Since all claim it, what will happen in the future?
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These people move to these islands got a lot of incentives such as, free housing, no taxes, no electricity bill, free health care.
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whole map of South China Sea:
http://files1.**********/uploadfiles/bbs/2003/11/22/2010147_20436.17.jpg
Vietnam has many islands there,
though the bigest one is held by Taiwan：Taiping Island
The maps are illegal, because:
- They painted 9-dotted line, an illegal claim of China.
- They still showed Hong Kong belongs to UK and Macau belongs to Portugue
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Historic maps support VN's island sovereignty
VietNamNet Bridge – As many as 80 old maps published between 1826 and 1980, of which 10 indicated Hoang Sa (Paracel) Islands and the Truong Sa (Spratly) Islands belong to Viet Nam, will be handed over to Da Nang's Institute for Socio-Economic Development next month.
The maps are part of a collection belonging to the president of the Institute for Vietnamese Culture and Education (IVCE), Tran Thang, an American with Vietnamese origin. The institute is a non-profit organisation founded in New York in 2000.
Thang said by email earlier this week the ancient maps were published in England, America, France, Germany and Scotland.
He said he bought them from antique shops in the US, England and Poland.
"As Vietnamese, we all have an obligation to preserve our country and to take part in shaping the future of Vietnamese society," Thang said in the email.
"In the map collection, 70 maps indicate that the frontier of Southern China is Hainan island and 10 maps indicate that the Paracels belongs to Viet Nam," he said.
"During my collecting of antique maps, I found two Postal Atlas Map of China books which were published by the Directorate General of Posts, Ministry of Transportation of the Republic of China in 1919 (consisting of 49 maps) and in 1933 (29 maps) and one Atlas of the Chinese Empire, published by the China Inland Mission in 1909 (23 maps).
None of the three books list the Paracels and Spratlys in the maps and index pages."
Thang said he was going to donate all the maps to the Da Nang-based Institute for Socio-Economic Development (ISED) which had been studying Paracels and Spratlys issues.
ISED vice director Tran Duc Anh Son said the collection of old maps was significant evidence that the two archipelagoes belonged to Viet Nam.
"We can classify that the collection comprises of three kinds of maps: 68 old maps of China showing that China did not have the Paracel and Spratly islands; six maps that indicate those islands belonged to Viet Nam; five maps of the Southeast Asian region that show Paracel and Spratly archipelagoes are under Viet Nam sovereignty," Son said.
"We would display the map collection at the city's Hoang Sa Islands District museum. We plan to show off the collection in the ‘Sea and Islands Week' to be held in Khanh Hoa Province next April," he said.
He said Thang had bought the maps with his own money and some from his friends.
Son, who has been doing a social science study on "Viet Nam's sovereignty over the Hoang Sa Islands" for primary schools, said he would include information from the collection in his study.
Ly Son Island, 30km offshore from Quang Ngai Province, still preserve Am Linh Pagoda, which was a worshipping place for seamen who had been dispatched to the Paracel Islands in the Nguyen dynasty, since the 17th century.
A museum of the two archipelagoes displays over 200 ancient documents and 100 objects which prove that Paracel and Spratly islands belong to Viet Nam.
Navigating the past: An old map of China dating back to 1933
that was published by the Ministry of Transport of the Republic of China.
The map shows the southern extent of China as being Hainan Island.
Historical evidence: An old map of Viet Nam,
which was printed by Prevost Bellin in Germany,
also shows that the southern extent of China as being Hainan Island.
Historic maps support VN's island sovereignty - News VietNamNet
Historic maps support VN's island sovereignty
VietNamNet Bridge – As many as 80 old maps published between 1826 and 1980, of which 10 indicated Hoang Sa (Paracel) Islands and the Truong Sa (Spratly) Islands belong to Viet Nam, will be handed over to Da Nang's Institute for Socio-Economic Development next month.
The maps are part of a collection belonging to the president of the Institute for Vietnamese Culture and Education (IVCE), Tran Thang, an American with Vietnamese origin. The institute is a non-profit organisation founded in New York in 2000.
Thang said by email earlier this week the ancient maps were published in England, America, France, Germany and Scotland.
He said he bought them from antique shops in the US, England and Poland.
"As Vietnamese, we all have an obligation to preserve our country and to take part in shaping the future of Vietnamese society," Thang said in the email.
"In the map collection, 70 maps indicate that the frontier of Southern China is Hainan island and 10 maps indicate that the Paracels belongs to Viet Nam," he said.
"During my collecting of antique maps, I found two Postal Atlas Map of China books which were published by the Directorate General of Posts, Ministry of Transportation of the Republic of China in 1919 (consisting of 49 maps) and in 1933 (29 maps) and one Atlas of the Chinese Empire, published by the China Inland Mission in 1909 (23 maps).
None of the three books list the Paracels and Spratlys in the maps and index pages."
Thang said he was going to donate all the maps to the Da Nang-based Institute for Socio-Economic Development (ISED) which had been studying Paracels and Spratlys issues.
ISED vice director Tran Duc Anh Son said the collection of old maps was significant evidence that the two archipelagoes belonged to Viet Nam.
"We can classify that the collection comprises of three kinds of maps: 68 old maps of China showing that China did not have the Paracel and Spratly islands; six maps that indicate those islands belonged to Viet Nam; five maps of the Southeast Asian region that show Paracel and Spratly archipelagoes are under Viet Nam sovereignty," Son said.
"We would display the map collection at the city's Hoang Sa Islands District museum. We plan to show off the collection in the ‘Sea and Islands Week' to be held in Khanh Hoa Province next April," he said.
He said Thang had bought the maps with his own money and some from his friends.
Son, who has been doing a social science study on "Viet Nam's sovereignty over the Hoang Sa Islands" for primary schools, said he would include information from the collection in his study.
Ly Son Island, 30km offshore from Quang Ngai Province, still preserve Am Linh Pagoda, which was a worshipping place for seamen who had been dispatched to the Paracel Islands in the Nguyen dynasty, since the 17th century.
A museum of the two archipelagoes displays over 200 ancient documents and 100 objects which prove that Paracel and Spratly islands belong to Viet Nam.
Navigating the past: An old map of China dating back to 1933
that was published by the Ministry of Transport of the Republic of China.
The map shows the southern extent of China as being Hainan Island.
Historical evidence: An old map of Viet Nam,
which was printed by Prevost Bellin in Germany,
also shows that the southern extent of China as being Hainan Island.
Historic maps support VN's island sovereignty - News VietNamNet
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Int’l scholars reject China’s East Sea (SCS) demands
VietNamNet Bridge – International scholars have presented evidence at a recent workshop in Paris, rejecting China’s sovereignty claim in the East Sea (SCS), especially its U-shaped line.
About 300 delegates, including many scholars on Asia studies from France and other countries, presented reports on international law, political and economic challenges in the East Sea, and solutions to the ongoing marine dispute in the region.
The presentations concentrated on the role of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) in the matter, the possibility of bringing the case to an international tribunal, or authenticating the historical evidence given by China.
Professor Monique Chemillier Gendreau from the Paris Diderot University in France, Professor Erik Franckx from Vrije University Brussels in Belgium, and Professor David Scott from Brunel University in the UK made an in-depth analysis of China’s U-shaped line and confirmed that the Chinese map is not in line with international norms and practices.
Professor Gendreau quoted current international law saying a nation can only claim sovereignty over an island if the island has existed under its jurisdiction for a long time and an administrative system has been established there.
International law requires clear evidence while Chinese arguments are based on history books or literary works, she said, citing evidence that Vietnam established its administrative organisation to govern the Hoang Sa archipelago from the 18th to the mid 19th century under the French colonialists.
More importantly, no regional countries objected to the management until the administration of South Vietnam legally took over the group of islands, said the French professor.
Several French documents show that in the 1930s the Chinese administration was still confused about the Truong Sa archipelago, another group of disputed islands in the East Sea, and did not mention them on its national map.
Experts confirmed that China’s wording such as ‘adjacent’ or ‘historic’ waters are not used in international treaties, including the 1982 Montego Bay Declaration to which China has acceded.
They once again underlined the importance of the East Sea to global geo-politics and trade, especially regarding the exploitation of large reserves of crude oil, that have prompted a number of countries to enter the dispute.
In a panel discussion, naval experts and representatives of government officials, including Christian Lechrvy, advisor to French President Francois Hollande, all agreed that the situation in the East Sea is very complex.
However, they ruled out the possibility of a traditional military clash, reasoning that all regional countries possess modern weapons and none wants to become involved in a confrontation without a high possibility of success. They said the bottom line is finding a common voice amongst all parties concerned.
Lechervy spoke of the East Sea disputes amongst several regional countries that have been ongoing since 2008 and downplayed worries about a diplomatic impasse. He said multilateral forums will help solve the disputes peacefully.
Experts stressed that the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) must be observed to define marine boundaries and common fishing grounds, and to conduct joint patrols at sea.
They called on parties concerned not to build more military bases on disputed islands, and deploy civil and police forces to maintain security instead.
They held that all parties concerned and other countries like the US and France need to take a constructive attitude and make positive contributions to negotiations in order to ease the situation in the East Sea, which is a common international issue.
Professor Gendreau even recommended turning the East Sea into an international sea area subject to international law which could benefit all countries concerned and ensure peace throughout the entire region.
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Int’l scholars reject China’s East Sea (SCS) demands
VietNamNet Bridge – International scholars have presented evidence at a recent workshop in Paris, rejecting China’s sovereignty claim in the East Sea (SCS), especially its U-shaped line.
About 300 delegates, including many scholars on Asia studies from France and other countries, presented reports on international law, political and economic challenges in the East Sea, and solutions to the ongoing marine dispute in the region.
The presentations concentrated on the role of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) in the matter, the possibility of bringing the case to an international tribunal, or authenticating the historical evidence given by China.
Professor Monique Chemillier Gendreau from the Paris Diderot University in France, Professor Erik Franckx from Vrije University Brussels in Belgium, and Professor David Scott from Brunel University in the UK made an in-depth analysis of China’s U-shaped line and confirmed that the Chinese map is not in line with international norms and practices.
Professor Gendreau quoted current international law saying a nation can only claim sovereignty over an island if the island has existed under its jurisdiction for a long time and an administrative system has been established there.
International law requires clear evidence while Chinese arguments are based on history books or literary works, she said, citing evidence that Vietnam established its administrative organisation to govern the Hoang Sa archipelago from the 18th to the mid 19th century under the French colonialists.
More importantly, no regional countries objected to the management until the administration of South Vietnam legally took over the group of islands, said the French professor.
Several French documents show that in the 1930s the Chinese administration was still confused about the Truong Sa archipelago, another group of disputed islands in the East Sea, and did not mention them on its national map.
Experts confirmed that China’s wording such as ‘adjacent’ or ‘historic’ waters are not used in international treaties, including the 1982 Montego Bay Declaration to which China has acceded.
They once again underlined the importance of the East Sea to global geo-politics and trade, especially regarding the exploitation of large reserves of crude oil, that have prompted a number of countries to enter the dispute.
In a panel discussion, naval experts and representatives of government officials, including Christian Lechrvy, advisor to French President Francois Hollande, all agreed that the situation in the East Sea is very complex.
However, they ruled out the possibility of a traditional military clash, reasoning that all regional countries possess modern weapons and none wants to become involved in a confrontation without a high possibility of success. They said the bottom line is finding a common voice amongst all parties concerned.
Lechervy spoke of the East Sea disputes amongst several regional countries that have been ongoing since 2008 and downplayed worries about a diplomatic impasse. He said multilateral forums will help solve the disputes peacefully.
Experts stressed that the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) must be observed to define marine boundaries and common fishing grounds, and to conduct joint patrols at sea.
They called on parties concerned not to build more military bases on disputed islands, and deploy civil and police forces to maintain security instead.
They held that all parties concerned and other countries like the US and France need to take a constructive attitude and make positive contributions to negotiations in order to ease the situation in the East Sea, which is a common international issue.
Professor Gendreau even recommended turning the East Sea into an international sea area subject to international law which could benefit all countries concerned and ensure peace throughout the entire region.
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S. China Sea fleet holds landing drill
11-05-2012 14:26 BJT
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The Chinese Navy’s South China Sea Fleet has held a landing drill in waters of the South China Sea. The drill involved a formation of destroyers, frigates, landing ships and submarines. The formation first practised using electromagnetic interference equipment.
Meanwhile, a missile was launched to practice defending against incoming aircraft and missiles. Artillery on board ships then fired at fixed targets on shore.
As the drill continued, damage to ships and casualties were simulated.
Under cover of the fleet formation, amphibious armored vehicles, and hovercrafts launched the last wave of attacks on enemy targets, and reclaimed islands occupied by enemy forces.
11-05-2012 14:26 BJT
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The Chinese Navy’s South China Sea Fleet has held a landing drill in waters of the South China Sea. The drill involved a formation of destroyers, frigates, landing ships and submarines. The formation first practised using electromagnetic interference equipment.
Meanwhile, a missile was launched to practice defending against incoming aircraft and missiles. Artillery on board ships then fired at fixed targets on shore.
As the drill continued, damage to ships and casualties were simulated.
Under cover of the fleet formation, amphibious armored vehicles, and hovercrafts launched the last wave of attacks on enemy targets, and reclaimed islands occupied by enemy forces.
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