Some thoughts about China's nuclear expansion

[Han Patriot]

LOL! Non interference yet you supported the invasion of South Korea. Even send in 3 divisions of Korean descent to help them. We are not the ones who invaded North Korea, they started it by trying to unified South Korea by force. Saving South Korea was a success even after China launch a counterattack. Also Invading Vietnam after the Vietnam War, taking over Tibet, intimidating the Philippines. Not to mention China trying to punish South Korea over THAAD system.

And yet after Vietnam, Gulf War 1 and 2 came and you see our people stop that war? I'm sure Saddam wished it was possible. But he's dead.

Philippines rejects China's demand to remove grounded navy ship

The Philippines will not remove a dilapidated navy ship grounded on an atoll in the South China Sea, its defence chief said on Thursday, rejecting a demand by China after it blocked a mission to resupply the vessel's crew.

www.reuters.com

Philippines rejects China's demand to remove grounded navy ship



MANILA, Nov 25 (Reuters) - The Philippines will not remove a dilapidated navy ship grounded on an atoll in the South China Sea, its defence chief said on Thursday, rejecting a demand by China after it blocked a mission to resupply the vessel's crew.

Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana dismissed China's assertion on Wednesday that the Philippines had committed to remove the BRP Sierra Madre, which was intentionally grounded at the Second Thomas shoal in 1999 to reinforce Manila's sovereignty claims in the Spratly archipelago.


The 100 metre-long (330-ft) tank landing ship was built for the U.S. Navy during World War Two.

"That ship has been there since 1999. If there was commitment it would have been removed a long time ago," Lorenzana told reporters.


Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian on Wednesday said Beijing "demands the Philippine side honour its commitment and remove its illegally grounded vessel".

We can't stop volunteers going accross to help their brethren mate, but 3 division? Is it according to US textbooks matey? Vietnam was attacked because they attacked Cambodia, we did not interfere in their civil war.

If you had 100k dead Muricans, do you think they will stop it? And yet look at your retreat from Afghanistan, and now Iraq next. Its an embarrassment man. Fcking mullahs with AKs winning over the stronkest military. Lolol

And dude stop posting whole articles. Philippines is having a dispute with us and then what? Did we invade them?

 

[Oldman1]

We can't stop volunteers going accross to help their brethren mate, but 3 division? Is it according to US textbooks matey? Vietnam was attacked because they attacked Cambodia, we did not interfere in their civil war.

If you had 100k dead Muricans, do you think they will stop it? And yet look at your retreat from Afghanistan, and now Iraq next. Its an embarrassment man. Fcking mullahs with AKs winning over the stronkest military. Lolol

Its according to Mao's telegram. If you couldn't stop the volunteers, shouldn't there be tens of millions of soldiers then? You attacked Vietnam because they attack Cambodia? Cambodia is not part of China is it? Do you intervene when other countries attack others? Doesn't that contradict the non interference? And considering Vietnam kicked your butt and Afghanistan kicked Russia out, not sure it's exactly something should be pointed out especially by you.

Just remember what Saddam said when he thought Americans won't intervene in Gulf War 1 and 2.

 

[Han Patriot]

Its according to Mao's telegram. If you couldn't stop the volunteers, shouldn't there be tens of millions of soldiers then? You attacked Vietnam because they attack Cambodia? Cambodia is not part of China is it? Do you intervene when other countries attack others? Doesn't that contradict the non interference? And considering Vietnam kicked your butt and Afghanistan kicked Russia out, not sure it's exactly something should be pointed out especially by you.

Just remember what Saddam said when he thought Americans won't intervene in Gulf War 1 and 2.

Are there even tens of millions of Koreans in China? Lolol. So where is the telegram now? Or you are quoting and American source quoting that telegram? You can't deny the fact some Koreans crossed but it was official policy from China not to interfere. When US got involved, things changed. We interfere when Cambodia our ally was invaded, but we don't interfere when Vietnam was fighting a civil war. That's a big difference. And we did not occupy Vietnam, it was an attack to warn these bozos to behave.

Vietnam kicked our butt's? Do you know how many Viets we killed? They even had to handover territory to sign a peace treaty. Last I heard stronk US loss like a dog and had to resort to agent orange. Lol

Comparing China with Iraq. Gr8, okay if thats the level of your intellect. You can talk to my hand.

 

[Oldman1]

Are there even tens of millions of Koreans in China? Lolol. So where is the telegram now? Or you are quoting and American source quoting that telegram? You can't deny the fact some Koreans crossed but it was official policy from China not to interfere. When US got involved, things changed. We interfere when Cambodia our ally was invaded, but we don't interfere when Vietnam was fighting a civil war. That's a big difference. And we did not occupy Vietnam, it was an attack to warn these bozos to behave.

Vietnam kicked our butt's? Do you know how many Viets we killed? They even had to handover territory to sign a peace treaty. Last I heard stronk US loss like a dog and had to resort to agent orange. Lol

LOL! Mao even mentioned sending Chinese troops under the guise of Korean because as he says Americans wouldn't know the difference. LOL you are hypocritical especially on the U.S. inflicting heavy Vietnamese casualties and say we still didn't win, but you point out how many Viets you killed under Chinese action and say you won.

Wilson Center Digital Archive

Wilson Center Digital Archive

From Pyongyang

To VYSHINSKII

On May 14 I had a meeting with Kim Il Sung who informed me about the results of the trip of a representative of the CC of the workers’ party of Korea Kim Il (member of the CC, head of the Political Directorate of the Korean People’s Army) to Beijing. Kim Il was sent to China with the aim of establishing contact with the CC of the Chinese Communist party and for talks about the Korean divisions, which are a part of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (meaning the divisions, staffed by Koreans who live in Manchuria).

Kim Il, accompanied by the Chinese trade representative in Korea, left Pyongyang on 28 April and on 30 April reached Mukden, where he met with Gao Gang. The latter put Kim Il in touch with the CC of the Chinese Communist party.

In Beijing Kim Il had four meetings with Zhu De and Zhou Enlai and one meeting with Mao Zedong. Kim Il passed on to Mao Zedong a letter from the CC of the Korean Workers’ Party with the request, in case it becomes necessary, to transfer Korean divisions that a part of the PLA to the Korean government.

Mao Zedong replied that from the three Korean divisions that are a part of the PLA, two divisions are located in Mukden and Changchun, and one division is involved in the offensive operations. Mao Zedong stated that they are prepared at any time to transfer two divisions, located in Manchuria, to the Korean government, completely armed. The third division can be returned from the South only after the end of the fighting but no earlier than in a month’s time. At the same time Mao Zedong warned Kim Il that the aforesaid divisions, as well as their entire army, are not regulars, and are poorly prepared in military terms. He recommended the Koreans to begin military training of the officer corps of these divisions.


Mao Zedong and Zhu De asked in detail about the situation in Korea. Mao Zedong said that Korea could see military action at any moment; Kim Il Sung must take this into account and thoroughly prepare.

In Korea, the war can be of the lightning or the protracted type. A protracted war, Mao Zedong said, it not in your interest, because in this case the Japanese may get involved and provide aid to the South Korean “government.” You don’t need to worry: next to you are the Soviet Union and we in Manchuria. In case it becomes necessary, we can through a few Chinese soldiers over to you; they are all black-[haired], no one will make them out, added Mao Zedong.

 

[FuturePAF]

Having said this, I don't believe that a war with Taiwan is imminent or even likely in the next decade or two.

The Cold War was called the Cold War, because other means were used to fight it rather than direct kinetic conflict. The Cold War with China began a few years ago under Trump, when slowly the supply chains are being disentangled and China is also way being replaced in Western markets with other suppliers. China for its part has to develop other markets or hold onto markets if it expects its prosperity to continue.

Otherwise building up the nuclear Arsenal (Beyond a few thousand) is just China heading downtown the Soviet nuclear buildup path of the 60s-80s.

Economics/trade, Demographics, keeping up in technologies, and access to vital resources are essential to survival for both sides.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

The Cold War with China began a few years ago under Trump, when slowly the supply chains are being disentangled and China is also way being replaced in Western markets with other suppliers.

That's simply untrue. Year after year, trade between the West and China goes up, trade deficits with China go up, and foreign direct investment into China goes up. Ref. JPMorgan's CEO's recent grovelling after he joked that his bank (which would have died in 2008 had it not controlled the US political system) would outlast the Party. The only decoupling going on is the decoupling between the ruling elites in Western countries who think they can stop China and reality.

 

[Han Patriot]

LOL! Mao even mentioned sending Chinese troops under the guise of Korean because as he says Americans wouldn't know the difference. LOL you are hypocritical especially on the U.S. inflicting heavy Vietnamese casualties and say we still didn't win, but you point out how many Viets you killed under Chinese action and say you won.

Wilson Center Digital Archive

Wilson Center Digital Archive

From Pyongyang

To VYSHINSKII

On May 14 I had a meeting with Kim Il Sung who informed me about the results of the trip of a representative of the CC of the workers’ party of Korea Kim Il (member of the CC, head of the Political Directorate of the Korean People’s Army) to Beijing. Kim Il was sent to China with the aim of establishing contact with the CC of the Chinese Communist party and for talks about the Korean divisions, which are a part of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (meaning the divisions, staffed by Koreans who live in Manchuria).

Kim Il, accompanied by the Chinese trade representative in Korea, left Pyongyang on 28 April and on 30 April reached Mukden, where he met with Gao Gang. The latter put Kim Il in touch with the CC of the Chinese Communist party.

In Beijing Kim Il had four meetings with Zhu De and Zhou Enlai and one meeting with Mao Zedong. Kim Il passed on to Mao Zedong a letter from the CC of the Korean Workers’ Party with the request, in case it becomes necessary, to transfer Korean divisions that a part of the PLA to the Korean government.

Mao Zedong replied that from the three Korean divisions that are a part of the PLA, two divisions are located in Mukden and Changchun, and one division is involved in the offensive operations. Mao Zedong stated that they are prepared at any time to transfer two divisions, located in Manchuria, to the Korean government, completely armed. The third division can be returned from the South only after the end of the fighting but no earlier than in a month’s time. At the same time Mao Zedong warned Kim Il that the aforesaid divisions, as well as their entire army, are not regulars, and are poorly prepared in military terms. He recommended the Koreans to begin military training of the officer corps of these divisions.


Mao Zedong and Zhu De asked in detail about the situation in Korea. Mao Zedong said that Korea could see military action at any moment; Kim Il Sung must take this into account and thoroughly prepare.

In Korea, the war can be of the lightning or the protracted type. A protracted war, Mao Zedong said, it not in your interest, because in this case the Japanese may get involved and provide aid to the South Korean “government.” You don’t need to worry: next to you are the Soviet Union and we in Manchuria. In case it becomes necessary, we can through a few Chinese soldiers over to you; they are all black-[haired], no one will make them out, added Mao Zedong.

Uhmm can you post a single Chinese source since MAO IS CHINESE. Nooooooo right? It's like asking a whore if she is a virgin.i just told you officially we did not interfere in Korean War until US step their boots in. So prove me wrong and get me a neutral source. Don't give me Iraq has WMD source.

 

[Oldman1]

Uhmm can you post a single Chinese source since MAO IS CHINESE. Nooooooo right? It's like asking a whore if she is a virgin.i just told you officially we did not interfere in Korean War until US step their boots in. So prove me wrong and get me a neutral source. Don't give me Iraq has WMD source.

Um you know the Chinese were working with the Russians. Obviously he been talking with Mao.

 

[Han Patriot]

Um you know the Chinese were working with the Russians. Obviously he been talking with Mao.

Duh.....

 

[Oldman1]

Duh.....

Yeah duh, primary source from declassified documents from the Soviet Union when they were best friends with China. Doubt Mao would reveal his own words to the world.

 

[Beidou2020]

Even if it is just to make the West forget about messing with China, it is still worth it to develop 5k nukes.

5,000 nukes is enough for China to delete the US off the map.

 

[Han Patriot]

Yeah duh, primary source from declassified documents from the Soviet Union when they were best friends with China. Doubt Mao would reveal his own words to the world.

Yup just like my Chinese source claiming leaked American sources say Iraq has nukes too. Lolol.....gosh can anybody be so naive. Its called propaganda mate.

 

[Oldman1]

Yup just like my Chinese source claiming leaked American sources say Iraq has nukes too. Lolol.....gosh can anybody be so naive. Its called propaganda mate.

Nah, it's just actually Sovet released documents after the end of the Cold War.

 

[retaxis]

Western *** kissers are flooding this thread in fear. They already pooped their pants over Russia now they are going to wet their beds thinking of Chinas nukes.

Why is oldman1 called old man when he types like a 14year old. Never mentally matured past the internet trolling teen days?

 

[Oldman1]

Western *** kissers are flooding this thread in fear. They already pooped their pants over Russia now they are going to wet their beds thinking of Chinas nukes.

Why is oldman1 called old man when he types like a 14year old. Never mentally matured past the internet trolling teen days?

Am I making you mad?