Some thoughts about China's nuclear expansion

[Han Patriot]

LOL! You won't demilitarized Guam, just like U.S. telling China to demilitarize your artificial islands. China won't do it. And if China behaves itself, Guam won't punish China.

Sure just like Afghanistan, Vietnam or Crimea right? Lol. Aaaa chooooo

 

[Oldman1]

Sure just like Afghanistan, Vietnam or Crimea right? Lol. Aaaa chooooo

What about Gulf War 1 and 2 as as well as the Balkans eh? Try to demilitarize Guam if you can.

 

[Han Patriot]

What about Gulf War 1 and 2 as as well as the Balkans eh? Try to demilitarize Guam if you can.

You call the war in Iraq a success? So tell me how many troops US sent to Balkans, don't quote peacekeepers, how many US soldiers actually fought? Yugoslavian was already disintegrating when you send in some air raids. Try doing that in China and see how many becomes hotdogs.

You bozos can't even fight Syria let alone China. Wake up and smell the coffee, 500k dead Muricans from covid, your president don't even dare confiscate our Treasuries bonds. So what can you do? Lol

 

[Oldman1]

You call the war in Iraq a success? So tell me how many troops US sent to Balkans, don't quote peacekeepers, how many US soldiers actually fought? Yugoslavian was already disintegrating when you send in some air raids. Try doing that in China and see how many becomes hotdogs.

You bozos can't even fight Syria let alone China. Wake up and smell the coffee, 500k dead Muricans from covid, your president don't even dare confiscate our Treasuries bonds. So what can you do? Lol

Yes I called the war in Gulf War 1 and 2 a success. Gulf War 1 liberating Kuwait. Gulf War 2 removing Saddam. Balkans, bombing Yugoslavia for 28 days for them to pull out of Kosovo. Don't make the same mistake that Iraq made with using Vietnam as a pretense that the U.S. won't be involved prior to Gulf War 1. The so called Mother of all Vietnams as Saddam likes to call it. Just cause the U.S. pulled out of Afghanistan you think that should be assuring to invade Taiwan and take the Pacific Ocean without any resistance from the U.S.

 

[Han Patriot]

Yes I called the war in Gulf War 1 and 2 a success. Gulf War 1 liberating Kuwait. Gulf War 2 removing Saddam. Balkans, bombing Yugoslavia for 28 days for them to pull out of Kosovo. Don't make the same mistake that Iraq made with using Vietnam as a pretense that the U.S. won't be involved prior to Gulf War 1. The so called Mother of all Vietnams as Saddam likes to call it. Just cause the U.S. pulled out of Afghanistan you think that should be assuring to invade Taiwan and take the Pacific Ocean without any resistance from the U.S.

It was a successful battle but a disastrous war mate. Stop sugarcoating it. That's what I was trying to tell you Yugoslavia had been having a civil war for 5 years and the country was imploding before you did some air raid. US did not fight a war there mate, more like air support mission, how many US soldiers were even there. Let's not kid ourselves OK. US lost in Korea, Nam, Afghanistan, losing Iraq soon. Almost all major conflicts were lost. Taiwan is not a battle mate, it will be a war and you will lose it. Its just common sense. Taiwan is a core issue to China not US.

China is willing to have 100k deaths defending our country, you think Americans will die for some Asians in the thousands? When the bodies start coming, the political will goes away. This is assuming the war don't go nuclear. You are invading Chinese soil mate, the morale is high on our side.

War is not just about having shiny equipment, it's also about the legitimacy. ROC is China.

 

[Oldman1]

It was a successful battle but a disastrous war mate. Stop sugarcoating it. That's what I was trying to tell you Yugoslavia had been having a civil war for 5 years and the country was imploding before you did some air raid. US did not fight a war there mate, more like air support mission, how many US soldiers were even there. Let's not kid ourselves OK. US lost in Korea, Nam, Afghanistan, losing Iraq soon. Almost all major conflicts were lost. Taiwan is not a battle mate, it will be a war and you will lose it. Its just common sense. Taiwan is a core issue to China not US.

China is willing to have 100k deaths defending our country, you think Americans will die for some Asians in the thousands? When the bodies start coming, the political will goes away. This is assuming the war don't go nuclear. You are invading Chinese soil mate, the morale is high on our side.

War is not just about having shiny equipment, it's also about the legitimacy. ROC is China.

Not disastrous war when Yugoslavia pulled out after 28 days of bombing. Thats a victory, don't try to deny it. Korean war was a victory since South Korea still exists. Vietnam war a loss, Afghanistan was a loss, but Iraq Gulf War 1 was a victory something you have yet to include, and Gulf War 2 is a victory. Taiwan will be a war and you can easily lose it thinking with confidence that U.S. won't get involved or win. Just like Gulf War 1 which you have yet to mention about. You talk like we never encounter Asian ferocity like the Japanese kamikaze or fighting hard for the Emperor and the sacred Japanese mainlands or the Chinese push into South Korea but the U.S. pushed back even after China sacrificed hundreds of thousands of Chinese lives. You fought hard but that did not lead to victory since South Korea still exist.

 

[Han Patriot]

Not disastrous war when Yugoslavia pulled out after 28 days of bombing. Thats a victory, don't try to deny it. Korean war was a victory since South Korea still exists. Vietnam war a loss, Afghanistan was a loss, but Iraq Gulf War 1 was a victory something you have yet to include, and Gulf War 2 is a victory. Taiwan will be a war and you can easily lose it thinking with confidence that U.S. won't get involved or win. Just like Gulf War 1 which you have yet to mention about. You talk like we never encounter Asian ferocity like the Japanese kamikaze or fighting hard for the Emperor and the sacred Japanese mainlands or the Chinese push into South Korea but the U.S. pushed back even after China sacrificed hundreds of thousands of Chinese lives. You fought hard but that did not lead to victory since South Korea still exist.

A war involves much more than just flying planes numb numb, no wonder US can only bully small countries or pick the bones after everything is dead. Lol.

Read the history about Korean War again, US tried to invade China from the North. China gave US a red line and you crossed it, and we pushed you back. Your aim was to create a unified Korea, you ended up with half because we forced you back.

Taiwan is a war you cannot afford to win. Haven't you learn the lesson in Afghanistan or Iraq? When you start to put boots on Chinese soil, things change pretty fast when compared to flying planes right? And China has maybe the world's second or third most sophisticated air defence system. Easily won huh? Why do you think fat boy Kim is still laughing at Murica?

Japan was overstretched and under resourced in WW2 and the nukes made a big difference. China has nukes now and of you wanna play dirty we can too. Remember how our hypersonic planes defied your Murica physics? Lol

 

[aziqbal]

You call the war in Iraq a success? So tell me how many troops US sent to Balkans, don't quote peacekeepers, how many US soldiers actually fought? Yugoslavian was already disintegrating when you send in some air raids. Try doing that in China and see how many becomes hotdogs.

You bozos can't even fight Syria let alone China. Wake up and smell the coffee, 500k dead Muricans from covid, your president don't even dare confiscate our Treasuries bonds. So what can you do? Lol

having nukes and deploying nukes are two completely different things

Russia has nukes but can they deploy them ?

Chinese nuclear submarines have been in the water for over 50 years and yet not a single deterrent patrol

China cannot even guarantee second strike

on the other hand UK has had a continuous at sea nuclear deterrence 365 24/9 since April 1969

thats deterrence

and thats why no one will ever dare to challenge Royal Navy supremacy at Sea and which is why HMS Queen Elizabeth sailed right into South China Sea for 6 months unchallenged

 

[Han Patriot]

having nukes and deploying nukes are two completely different things

Russia has nukes but can they deploy them ?

Chinese nuclear submarines have been in the water for over 50 years and yet not a single deterrent patrol

China cannot even guarantee second strike

on the other hand UK has had a continuous at sea nuclear deterrence 365 24/9 since April 1969

thats deterrence

and thats why no one will ever dare to challenge Royal Navy supremacy at Sea and which is why HMS Queen Elizabeth sailed right into South China Sea for 6 months unchallenged

I think nobody wants to find out if we can deploy it mate. Comparing hiroshima to today's kiloton class bombs is just naive.

Yup just assume our subs don't work, that's a good strategy, I wonder why the Pentagon is panicking nowadays, with the CHAIiiiNAaaa threat.

Just assume mate, just assume. Lol

 

[aziqbal]

I think nobody wants to find out if we can deploy it mate. Comparing hiroshima to today's kiloton class bombs is just naive.

Yup just assume our subs don't work, that's a good strategy, I wonder why the Pentagon is panicking nowadays, with the CHAIiiiNAaaa threat.

Just assume mate, just assume. Lol

we have a name of Chinese SSBN we call them Pier Queens, because they spend more time at Pier than sea

 

[Abid123]

Russia has nukes but can they deploy them ?

Far better than any country on earth.

 

[Han Patriot]

we have a name of Chinese SSBN we call them Pier Queens, because they spend more time at Pier than sea

Sure man, we build multimillion subs so that we can park them in the piers. I wonder why the Muricans are so afraid of us.... No worries mate, all is well, just ask fat boy Kim. Lol

 

[Oldman1]

A war involves much more than just flying planes numb numb, no wonder US can only bully small countries or pick the bones after everything is dead. Lol.

LOL! Considering we send in troops all the times in most wars besides the Kosovo war.

]quote]Read the history about Korean War again, US tried to invade China from the North. China gave US a red line and you crossed it, and we pushed you back. Your aim was to create a unified Korea, you ended up with half because we forced you back.[/quote]

I read the history, even the telegrams of Mao and Stalin themselves. China support the North Korean Invasion and when they realize they were losing, they intervened surprising the U.S.. You even had Seoul for a little while before being pushed back.

Taiwan is a war you cannot afford to win. Haven't you learn the lesson in Afghanistan or Iraq? When you start to put boots on Chinese soil, things change pretty fast when compared to flying planes right? And China has maybe the world's second or third most sophisticated air defence system. Easily won huh? Why do you think fat boy Kim is still laughing at Murica?

Japan was overstretched and under resourced in WW2 and the nukes made a big difference. China has nukes now and of you wanna play dirty we can too. Remember how our hypersonic planes defied your Murica physics? Lol

Taiwan is a war you cannot afford to win, you making the same mistake that Iraq did when they thought U.S. won't intervene since Vietnam. When you attempt to put troops into Taiwan its going to be a massacre for the Chinese. Submarines, cruise missiles, IRBMs, hypersonics, etc. U.S. also has nukes as well, you want to play dirty with the Guam killer missiles, expect payback.

 

[Han Patriot]

LOL! Considering we send in troops all the times in most wars besides the Kosovo war.

]quote]Read the history about Korean War again, US tried to invade China from the North. China gave US a red line and you crossed it, and we pushed you back. Your aim was to create a unified Korea, you ended up with half because we forced you back.

I read the history, even the telegrams of Mao and Stalin themselves. China support the North Korean Invasion and when they realize they were losing, they intervened surprising the U.S.. You even had Seoul for a little while before being pushed back.



Taiwan is a war you cannot afford to win, you making the same mistake that Iraq did when they thought U.S. won't intervene since Vietnam. When you attempt to put troops into Taiwan its going to be a massacre for the Chinese. Submarines, cruise missiles, IRBMs, hypersonics, etc. U.S. also has nukes as well, you want to play dirty with the Guam killer missiles, expect payback.
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Chinese policy hhad always been non interference, it was a civil war and they had to settle it themselves. But the moment an idiot starts to put their boots on the peninsula, China stepped in and changed the outcome of the war and it remained peaceful for the next 50 years and proved to ROC, US could not help them retake China and defined China as a real power. Mao mismanaged the economy but one thing I respect him for is his political and military strategies. A broken fragmented China was unified and now a super power. He wasn't just going against one nuclear power but two. Not even US have that kind of balls.

So don't give me the bullshit taht we can't retake Taiwan. When 100k Chinese dies, people will call them heroes, if 100k US soldiers die, your people will stop that war that has got nothing to do with them. You can't even manage Iraq or Afghanistan. CHINA?

 

[Oldman1]

Chinese policy hhad always been non interference, it was a civil war and they had to settle it themselves. But the moment an idiot starts to put their boots on the peninsula, China stepped in and changed the outcome of the war and it remained peaceful for the next 50 years and proved to ROC, US could not help them retake China and defined China as a real power. Mao mismanaged the economy but one thing I respect him for is his political and military strategies. A broken fragmented China was unified and now a super power. He wasn't just going against one nuclear power but two. Not even US have that kind of balls.

So don't give me the bullshit taht we can't retake Taiwan. When 100k Chinese dies, people will call them heroes, if 100k US soldiers die, your people will stop that war that has got nothing to do with them. You can't even manage Iraq or Afghanistan. CHINA?

LOL! Non interference yet you supported the invasion of South Korea. Even send in 3 divisions of Korean descent to help them. We are not the ones who invaded North Korea, they started it by trying to unified South Korea by force. Saving South Korea was a success even after China launch a counterattack. Also Invading Vietnam after the Vietnam War, taking over Tibet, intimidating the Philippines. Not to mention China trying to punish South Korea over THAAD system.

And yet after Vietnam, Gulf War 1 and 2 came and you see our people stop that war? I'm sure Saddam wished it was possible. But he's dead.

Philippines rejects China's demand to remove grounded navy ship

The Philippines will not remove a dilapidated navy ship grounded on an atoll in the South China Sea, its defence chief said on Thursday, rejecting a demand by China after it blocked a mission to resupply the vessel's crew.

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Philippines rejects China's demand to remove grounded navy ship



MANILA, Nov 25 (Reuters) - The Philippines will not remove a dilapidated navy ship grounded on an atoll in the South China Sea, its defence chief said on Thursday, rejecting a demand by China after it blocked a mission to resupply the vessel's crew.

Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana dismissed China's assertion on Wednesday that the Philippines had committed to remove the BRP Sierra Madre, which was intentionally grounded at the Second Thomas shoal in 1999 to reinforce Manila's sovereignty claims in the Spratly archipelago.


The 100 metre-long (330-ft) tank landing ship was built for the U.S. Navy during World War Two.

"That ship has been there since 1999. If there was commitment it would have been removed a long time ago," Lorenzana told reporters.


Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian on Wednesday said Beijing "demands the Philippine side honour its commitment and remove its illegally grounded vessel".