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Snakes protected by Musharraf

Imran Khan's UNGA speech has unnerved India to the extent that now they have to stoop this low and bring in the traitors of Pakistan and spread lies and crap. Altaf Hussain's MQM has created havoc in the beautiful city of Karachi. I grew up here and than in mid 80s. MQM took over the city and made it into a hellhole! Indians have no shame!
 
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Musharaf made some blunders.
Kargil: Had to come back
Nawaz n BB: invited them back
MQM: failed to address foreign links.
Lal masjid: excessive force
WOT: didn’t realized, planned for the blow back.
Every Time good initiative, but lack of planning or foresight.

I duly disagree... my take.

Kargil: It was Sharif who chickened out.

Nawaz n BB: BB pushed her self in with blessings of USA, there was no ban on her. Eventually public voted PPP. Nawaz made alliance in UK with Imran Khan, alliance was named ''All Parties Democratic Alliance'' after that he forced him self in and was even sent back to Jeddha, from where he was slipped using medical treatment as an excuse.

MQM: In my view MQM remains worst in all tenures. Unless the infighting and rangers control few years back.

Lal masjid: I would not call it excessive force, the idiot was holding kids as hostage. I do believe that the commandos who moved in didn't had the best of the gear available, but that was the general level of the gear.

WOT: All the blow back was due to Asif Ali Zardari.... Musharraf was playing the game very well, he should have been allowed to conclude what he started but it was Imran Khan who wanted his resignation most eagerly.
 
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Majority of Karachiites do not speak Urdu. They speak a downgraded version of it called gulabi Urdu...which is a lot more similar to some of lingo spoken in India..The two true accents of Urdu are from Delhi and Lakhnow and these are spoken a tiny minority. Furthermore, speaking the same or similar language does not make them an ethnicity.
They are Pakistani and belong to different ethnicities.


This is so true sir. I totally agree. The effects of this cocktail of lies and vulgarity is far worse than visiting a nude beech (kind of extreme example). Furthermore, we need to move away and degangafy our culture. Our Urdu should sound more like expressed in the national anthem. The share of Persian and Arabic in daily life should be increased.

I personally think that Urdu shouldn't have been selected as the national language but instead............. I can't believe i am saying this....................but instead should have gone back to Dari.
 
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in musharaf era the Karachi was a city of light & its economy was going up but when PPP get a chance now u all the witness of destruction of whole City...
 
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lol you people are wasting so much time on this crap, let them spend money...next India should take this issue of Karachi, Baluchistan to UN
 
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And how would you reconcile the Kargil misadventure with that claim?
I don't have to because it is par for the course when it comes to Pakistan and our neighbor. Why is war 1965 or Siachen not a "misadventure" then?

You have a subjugated population in Kashmir. If Pakistan does not put military pressure nothing happens. This has been the case for 7 decades. Pakistan cannot just sit dormant on the issue of Kashmir. Musharraf and MO Dte planned Kargil before things went awry with NS so this was not an act of self-preservation. The focus was the Kashmir cause and that is it. Now we can debate what helps and what does not, but any military action in support of Kashmir is not a misadventure in my book.

Has the other side ever apologized for their Siachen "misadventure"? They went across LoC to stake their claim. We did the same. Why this constant apologetic PoV? Some of the very same retired hazraat who are on record to be in the opposite camp of Musharraf and talked of Kargil as being a misstep, in private all these individuals agree that there is no option but from time to time put military pressure across LoC to force the issue. Other side does it as and when it suits them. This has been the case since ever since 1971.

I don't apologize for what Pakistan did in 1965 and I don't think anyone should apologize for what went on in Kargil. Planning and execution was done for all the right reasons.

Someone plz make me understand once and for all how does it become an ethnicity and on what basis when majority don't belong to a common tribe to begin with?

Would anyone call a city overwhelmingly inhabited by Syeds, siddiques, farooqis, Khans, memon, badaamis and many more an ethnicity just coz the all migrated from some place? Don't give me the language bs all paakis speak urdu, nothing special about a people speaking it in Karachi

It becomes an ethnicity when domiciles and provincialism do not allow one to become of the province that they live in and then people realize they need to have their own identity. Just because many people here have not been around or have no understanding of the dynamics in Pakistan of the past, it does not mean these things are baseless or senseless.

I grew up in the Pakistan of 60s/70s and saw things from up close. This provincialism was always lurking around despite being a very distasteful thing in the way it was used. Perhaps we should have openly embraced it but the one-unit fiasco and the separation of East Pakistan had made ethnicity/provincialism a taboo in Pakistan and it became only worse after the death of Zia. As such if ethnicity is brought up now, it is usually for petty, narrow interests only.

By the way, I have Urdu speaking/Punjabi links and roots myself and what this has allowed me to do is to observe the dynamics in these two communities from up close. It is quite revealing and validate quit a bit of what I state above.
 
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I don't have to because it is par for the course when it comes to Pakistan and our neighbor. Why is war 1965 not a "misadventure" then?

1965 is also just as debatable as misadventure as Kargil, to be fair.

You have a subjugated population in Kashmir. If Pakistan does not put military pressure nothing happens. This has been the case for 7 decades. Pakistan cannot just sit dormant on the issue of Kashmir. Musharraf and MO Dte planned Kargil before things went awry with NS so this was not an act of self-preservation. The focus was the Kashmir cause and that is it. Now we can debate what helps and what does not, but any military action in support of Kashmir is not a misadventure in my book.

Whose Constitutional authority is it to decide on initiating a war? How did this military operation serve Pakistan's national interest in the short and the long term? Is Pakistan closer to getting its way over Kashmir after the Kargil episode?

Has the other side ever apologized for their Siachen "misadventure"? They went across LoC to stake their claim. We did the same. Why this constant apologetic PoV? Some of the very same retired hazraat who are on record to be in the opposite camp of Musharraf and talked of Kargil as being a misstep, in private all these individuals agree that there is no option but from time to time put military pressure across LoC to force the issue. Indians do it as and when it suits them. This has been the case since ever since 1971.

Please note that there was no LoC demarcated that could be crossed from the last demarcated point except as "thence north to the glaciers" and that is why India stopped at the Saltoro Ridge. That is why Pakistan has never taken the required steps to show a violation of the LoC over this matter.

This drawing room talk of exerting military pressure across the LoC from time to time is merely to ensure the ongoing nature of Pakistan as a security dominated state, that is all, with everlasting damage to its social development. Kashmir the princely state that existed in 1947 has long since been divvied up between three neighboring nuclear powers and there can be no going back to that for the foreseeable future.

India can do as it wishes over this matter is because it has not allowed itself to become a security state and concentrated on its economy for the last few decades, pure and simple. Pakistan, sadly has made the exact opposite choices and the consequences are only just becoming evident, very predictably so, I might add.

If Pakistan wants to achieve the same international gravitas, it must also follow the same strategy of economic and social development and give it a few decades as there are no shortcuts.

In the meantime, there will never been a fruitful outcome to any military misadventures across the LoC, by either side.

I don't apologize for what Pakistan did in 1965 and I don't think anyone should apologize for what went on in Kargil. Planning and execution was done for all the right reasons.

But isn't it ironic how all the "right reasons" have given always rise to all the wrong outcomes we see today?
 
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These are the snakes once protected by Musharraf for political gain,
How long our military establishment will do like this to our country, Musharraf must be accountable for his acts and his supporters also need to understand that these political acts of establishment is only damaging the reputation of whole organisation.
MQM london group. these people were playing in the Indian hands well before Musharraf.
dont mix up the two.
just like not all Bughtis support Brandagh and fight Pakistan army .. not all MQM are anti Pakistan but a small discarded faction living in exile.
 
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