Sino-Japanese War still stings China 120 years later

[terranMarine]

It's probably Japanese mindset to have super big ambitions, they targeted Korea when there is no territorial dispute
Battle of Baekgang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Battle of Baekgang was Japan's greatest defeat in its premodern history. Japan's losses were enormous and there would be no state-sponsored troop deployments to Korea for over 900 years (until Hideyoshi's invasions of Korea in the late 16th century).

Just look at the strength and losses of both sides, Japan definitely suffered great losses.

Next Japan wanted to conquer Korea and China 1592-98

See negotiations
In Japan, Hideyoshi's negotiators apparently led him to believe that China was suing for peace and ready to accept him as their emperor. Thus, Hideyoshi issued the demands of a victor; first, a daughter of the Ming emperor must be sent to become the wife of the Japanese emperor; second, the southern provinces of Joseon must be ceded to Japan; third, normal trade relations between China and Japan must be restored; and fourth, a Joseon prince and several high-ranking government officials must be sent to Japan as hostages. Bargaining from such fundamentally different perspectives, there was no prospect whatsoever for these talks to succeed. Early in 1597, both sides resumed hostilities.

History proofs Japan is very ambitious, it's not wise to repeat this foolish dream as China can easily destroy Japan with our missile force.

 

[atatwolf]

If it weren't for oil and steel import from US, Japan wouldn't even have the ability to start the second Sino-Japan war. US made money from the war.

When US got attack by Japan's fleet, they needed China to trap 1 million Japanese soldiers in China. Shouldn't say we got one-sided help from US.

They could have exported steel and oil to Japan and still decide not to help you against the Japanese and let them have you for lunch.

 

[BuddhaPalm]

They could have exported steel and oil to Japan and still decide not to help you against the Japanese and let them have you for lunch.

Could have would have should have = futile whining

China is massive, powerful, unstoppable and mercilessly crushing the little Turkish rebellion we have these days

 

[terranMarine]

Could have would have should have = futile whining

China is massive, powerful, unstoppable and mercilessly crushing the little Turkish rebellion we have these days

Even plenty peaceful Uyghurs joined the people's war in pursuit of these terrorists. The scums shall be dealt with appropriately.

 

[Sonyuke_Songpaisan]

You can easily see the Chinese here display their hatred and vengeance and demand the world to respect them. After century of suffer from humiliation.

They Chinese just make thing worst. they became laughing stock for the west with made in China, and neighbors stay away from them see them not friendly Chinese.

how about VN?

 

[Echo_419]

Sino-Japanese War still stings China 120 years later

WEIHAI, China —

When China and Japan went to war on the first day of August 120 years ago, Beijing suffered a “national humiliation” that resonates to this day as tensions between the Asian rivals intensify again.

Unlike most defeated nations, China marks the anniversaries of its losses with fervor, as the ruling Communist Party—which espouses nationalism in its claim to a right to rule—reinforces a narrative of historical victimisation.

Years in the making, the Sino-Japanese War of 1894-5 was fought for control of Korea, which at the time paid formal tribute to China’s Qing emperors but was increasingly coveted by Tokyo, whose ambition was to emulate the empires of the Western powers.

The shooting began with a naval clash off Korea’s west coast in late July, a week before war was formally declared on August 1, 1894.

Less than nine months later, Japan had destroyed the Qing Beiyang fleet, routed Beijing’s troops in Korea and China, and secured an overwhelming victory. Tokyo seized strategic territory, including Taiwan, and sowed the seeds of a maritime dispute that endures into the 21st century.

On Liugong island, a hilly anchorage off the eastern city of Weihai and the former home of the Beiyang fleet, the pictures, documents and weapons in a museum dedicated to the conflict blame not only Japan’s “war of aggression” but also China’s weakness, corruption and backwardness at the time.

“The humiliating defeat… proved that underdevelopment can cause defeat,” reads one display.

On a promenade in Weihai, across the Yellow Sea from the Korean peninsula—still a geopolitical hotspot today—local resident Liang Kongteng said: “The Japanese came to China and they killed many people. As a country we have to be strong.”

The war heralded the looming end of China’s centuries of imperial rule, and once-isolated Japan’s rise as a global power.

A decade later Japan stunned the world by defeating Russia, before colonising Korea and later establishing a puppet state in Manchuria, setting the stage for its full invasion of China in 1937 in the lead-up to World War II.

“The war overturned the traditional balance of power in Asia, when Japan unseated China as the dominant power,” said SCM Paine, professor of strategy and policy at the US Naval War College, who wrote a book on the 1894-5 conflict.

“Ever since China has been trying to restore its former position of preeminence,” Paine said, stressing her views do not represent those of her institution or the US government.

“That preeminence was not only military but also economic, diplomatic, technological, and cultural.”

For China, the long ago war may as well have been yesterday.

The anniversary has been frequent fodder for the country’s state-controlled newspapers, magazines and television.

In an editorial last week, the state-run China Daily newspaper said the defeat by China’s “worst enemy in history” still forms “an open wound in (the) Chinese national psyche”.

The conflict’s clearest legacy today is a bitter dispute over small, uninhabited islands near Taiwan called Senkaku in Japanese and Diaoyu in Chinese.

Tokyo took control of the islands in January 1895, when it says they were unoccupied. Beijing counters they have always been its “inherent” territory, and will not give up its claim.

Now the two sides, both with increasing military ambitions and capabilities, warily eye each other’s ships and aircraft in the area, leading to fears of possible conflict as Washington, Tokyo’s defense ally, watches carefully.

Japan is a liberal democracy with a free media, but the China Daily claimed that under Prime Minister Shinzo Abe it is “strikingly similar” to the country that went to war in 1894.

“International concerns about the likelihood of history repeating itself in Northeast Asia are not groundless,” it said.

In Japan, remembrance of the war is less intensely political, but can be tinged with nostalgia for a time of military heroes, and even a sense of high-mindedness that Chinese and Koreans find offensive.

“I think for Japan the Sino-Japanese War was a ‘war of ideals’,” historical novelist Fuyuji Domon wrote in Rekishi Kaido, a popular history magazine.

Japan was standing up against Western encroachments in Asia, and seeking to secure Korea’s independence from China and Russia, he suggested.

“Thus, war between Japan, which wanted to secure Korea’s independence, and the Qing, which wanted it to remain subordinate, became unavoidable.”

One section of the museum on Liugong is titled in English as “Japan’s Desire of Controlling China”, but at the exit visitors are treated to a reassuring array of video images of China’s modern naval and air power, driving home a message of security, if not invincibility.

The concept resonates with visitors.

“I believe China has now become strong and I feel we Chinese can really face up to history,” said schoolboy Yang Shunfeng, 16.

“Now we can defend our sovereignty and won’t bow our heads to the Japanese like before.”


Sino-Japanese War still stings China 120 years later ‹ Japan Today: Japan News and Discussion

Aren't the communists supposed to nationalism

 

[TaiShang]

China consistently and repetitively voices its position in the need to have communication and to cease acts that further destabilize the region.

In fact we advice Japan to stop further destabilizing the region with its unilateral moves. Stop,

*Nationalizing disputed islands,
*Naming disputed islands,
*Paying official visits to the shrines of war criminals,
*Ganging up against China with outsiders, etc.

Now, none of them are crimes as Japan is free to do whatever it wants to do as a sovereign nation. We will not cry over a spilled milk. Just, we demand, honestly, give up acting as if you owned the moral high ground.

I mean, publicizing old war crimes ? What is the point of that , there are people dying around China now.

Publicizing war crimes is to keep nation's collective memory alive. Every nation does that. US will continue remembering 9/11 for the next 100 years. That's a major milestone for them, probably second to Pearl Harbor. Do you think US people are ignorant of Pearl Harbor or 9/11, my friend?

Can you blame nationalism and fueling hatred on the US regime?

With war criminal stories, China is only sharing historical information, nothing more. How regular people take it is up to them. Hopefully, this will program them to work harder to achieve the great rejuvenation of the nation in all fields of sciences and arts.

The deaths in Xinjiang, in Tibet etc. Are they publicized to the level that Xinhua publicizes old war crimes committed by [Japan]...?

More people dies from gun shots in the US everyday. Yet, 9/11 is publicized more. Your analogy is almost sinful and totally irrespective of China's sufferings. That attitude, I am sorry to say, points to a pseudo moderation.

Our response is a reaction. We see that Chinese media is vilifying us. What do you think our response is going to be? Also, do you not think it is only natural to feel offended to see such grave reaction and protestation by our Chinese partners?

Interesting since we see in Mr. Abe's person a nationalist leader which takes steps to seriously disturb the status quo in the region and rally the people up behind his nationalist policies.

Our Japanese friends keep surprising us given that, before the uncalled-for nationalization of the islands, all was quiet.

It is seen from here that Japan did all it did over the past few years out of pure concern of being beaten by China in many fields. We feel a huge and almost crying-out sense of urgency in the Japanese government. This is not good since it invites hasty and often emotional action. Many of Mr. Abe's policies are thus reckless and inflammatory.

We advice common sense to the Japanese government.

 

[sweetgrape]

Japanese is japanese, they have different and hard understood logic, you can't understand. For China, that have made contact with Japan for more than 2000 years, we should know Japanese character very clear, push Japan sit down and accept unconditional surrender is not mouth, but Nuke.

They don't accept their blunder, don't want face it.

 

[JSCh]

According to the logic of the Japanese,

US still suffered from the sting of December 7, 1941.

 

[JSCh]

It is better than nothing I guess.

But the way the Japanese go about it, make it seem hollow.

Emperor Visits Site Near Pearl Harbor - New York Times
By CATHERINE MANEGOLD,
Published: June 25, 1994

In a ceremony of silence broken only by the sound of birds and the barking of cannons and rifles fired in three successive 21-gun salutes, the Emperor of Japan today laid a wreath at a monument for war dead at the National Memorial Cemetery of the Pacific.

The somber and sparsely attended gesture of sorrow for the losses incurred in war was an oblique gesture to the 2,395 servicemen killed the day Japanese warplanes attacked Pearl Harbor just after dawn on Dec. 7, 1941. Of the 21 ships sunk or damaged in the attack, the worst losses occurred on the battleship Arizona, which lost 1,177 men, most of whom were buried alive in the ship's sunken hull.

Initial plans for Emperor Akihito's two-week tour of the United States had included a stop at the Arizona memorial, an arching white structure built atop the ship's remains that seems to float above the harbor itself. But objections from Japan's nationalist right wing, which has long argued that the attack was a justifiable response to an American war embargo, made the government shy away from that hugely symbolic site.

Instead, Emperor Akihito and his wife, Empress Michiko, accompanied by the former Prime Minister Kiichi Miyazawa, the Japanese Ambassador to Washington and a handful of other prominent Japanese political figures visited the volcanic crater known here as the "Punch Bowl" because of its geological shape.

The Punch Bowl Cemetery, just a few miles away from Pearl Harbor, commemorates 38,000 war dead from World War II, Korea and Vietnam. It includes the names of 18,093 soldiers who were missing in action or lost at sea during the protracted fighting of World War II. Japanese officials have been saying for weeks that the site better represents the total cost of the World War II and the price of war in general. They have tried to depict the Emperor's visit to the cemetery as a broad gesture of shared sadness over that conflict.

But at several stops throughout the Emperor's 16-day tour of 11 American cities, groups of protesters have demanded a formal statement of apology from the Emperor for atrocities committed by Japanese troops in World War II. Several hundred protesters met the Emperor's motorcade in Washington. And at other stops, including Atlanta, New York City and San Francisco, well-organized groups of Chinese-Americans have met the Imperial entourage calling for formal apologies for World War II and shouting reminders about atrocities in China.

 

[INDIC]

Sino-Japanese War still stings China 120 years later

WEIHAI, China —

When China and Japan went to war on the first day of August 120 years ago, Beijing suffered a “national humiliation” that resonates to this day as tensions between the Asian rivals intensify again.

Unlike most defeated nations, China marks the anniversaries of its losses with fervor, as the ruling Communist Party—which espouses nationalism in its claim to a right to rule—reinforces a narrative of historical victimisation.

Years in the making, the Sino-Japanese War of 1894-5 was fought for control of Korea, which at the time paid formal tribute to China’s Qing emperors but was increasingly coveted by Tokyo, whose ambition was to emulate the empires of the Western powers.

The shooting began with a naval clash off Korea’s west coast in late July, a week before war was formally declared on August 1, 1894.

Less than nine months later, Japan had destroyed the Qing Beiyang fleet, routed Beijing’s troops in Korea and China, and secured an overwhelming victory. Tokyo seized strategic territory, including Taiwan, and sowed the seeds of a maritime dispute that endures into the 21st century.

On Liugong island, a hilly anchorage off the eastern city of Weihai and the former home of the Beiyang fleet, the pictures, documents and weapons in a museum dedicated to the conflict blame not only Japan’s “war of aggression” but also China’s weakness, corruption and backwardness at the time.

“The humiliating defeat… proved that underdevelopment can cause defeat,” reads one display.

On a promenade in Weihai, across the Yellow Sea from the Korean peninsula—still a geopolitical hotspot today—local resident Liang Kongteng said: “The Japanese came to China and they killed many people. As a country we have to be strong.”

The war heralded the looming end of China’s centuries of imperial rule, and once-isolated Japan’s rise as a global power.

A decade later Japan stunned the world by defeating Russia, before colonising Korea and later establishing a puppet state in Manchuria, setting the stage for its full invasion of China in 1937 in the lead-up to World War II.

“The war overturned the traditional balance of power in Asia, when Japan unseated China as the dominant power,” said SCM Paine, professor of strategy and policy at the US Naval War College, who wrote a book on the 1894-5 conflict.

“Ever since China has been trying to restore its former position of preeminence,” Paine said, stressing her views do not represent those of her institution or the US government.

“That preeminence was not only military but also economic, diplomatic, technological, and cultural.”

For China, the long ago war may as well have been yesterday.

The anniversary has been frequent fodder for the country’s state-controlled newspapers, magazines and television.

In an editorial last week, the state-run China Daily newspaper said the defeat by China’s “worst enemy in history” still forms “an open wound in (the) Chinese national psyche”.

The conflict’s clearest legacy today is a bitter dispute over small, uninhabited islands near Taiwan called Senkaku in Japanese and Diaoyu in Chinese.

Tokyo took control of the islands in January 1895, when it says they were unoccupied. Beijing counters they have always been its “inherent” territory, and will not give up its claim.

Now the two sides, both with increasing military ambitions and capabilities, warily eye each other’s ships and aircraft in the area, leading to fears of possible conflict as Washington, Tokyo’s defense ally, watches carefully.

Japan is a liberal democracy with a free media, but the China Daily claimed that under Prime Minister Shinzo Abe it is “strikingly similar” to the country that went to war in 1894.

“International concerns about the likelihood of history repeating itself in Northeast Asia are not groundless,” it said.

In Japan, remembrance of the war is less intensely political, but can be tinged with nostalgia for a time of military heroes, and even a sense of high-mindedness that Chinese and Koreans find offensive.

“I think for Japan the Sino-Japanese War was a ‘war of ideals’,” historical novelist Fuyuji Domon wrote in Rekishi Kaido, a popular history magazine.

Japan was standing up against Western encroachments in Asia, and seeking to secure Korea’s independence from China and Russia, he suggested.

“Thus, war between Japan, which wanted to secure Korea’s independence, and the Qing, which wanted it to remain subordinate, became unavoidable.”

One section of the museum on Liugong is titled in English as “Japan’s Desire of Controlling China”, but at the exit visitors are treated to a reassuring array of video images of China’s modern naval and air power, driving home a message of security, if not invincibility.

The concept resonates with visitors.

“I believe China has now become strong and I feel we Chinese can really face up to history,” said schoolboy Yang Shunfeng, 16.

“Now we can defend our sovereignty and won’t bow our heads to the Japanese like before.”


Sino-Japanese War still stings China 120 years later ‹ Japan Today: Japan News and Discussion

The Chinese communist party wants the Chinese people to remember it and hate the Japanese till eternity although in other parts of the world people have moved on from the bad memories of colonial history.

 

[sweetgrape]

The Chinese communist party wants the Chinese people to remember it and hate the Japanese till eternity although in other parts of the world people have moved on from the bad memories of colonial history.

If know sh!t on the history between China and Japan, suggest you just stand outside and see, or Chinese and Korean will see you as idiot.

BTW, seems indian still don't move on from bad memory of 1962 war.

 

[terranMarine]

If know sh!t on the history between China and Japan, suggest you just stand outside and see, or Chinese and Korean will see you as idiot.

BTW, seems indian still don't move on from bad memory of 1962 war.

So true, some Indians need to f*ck off as they only point China doing the hating part. He needs to get this straight, it's called keeping the memory alive and still live on. He needs to be reminded Koreans hate the Japanese even more

Hitler Store in India
BBC News - Israeli anger at India clothing shop called Hitler

 

[INDIC]

If know sh!t on the history between China and Japan, suggest you just stand outside and see, or Chinese and Korean will see you as idiot.

BTW, seems indian still don't move on from bad memory of 1962 war.

We don't bring the colonial history while dealing with the European countries like Britain, France or Portugal. As for 1962, it was the direct outcome of Chinese obsession of reclaiming the so called historical Chinese land. If you believe Senkaku and Ryukyu aren't the Japanese territories, why you didn't get it done in 1945 when China was the part of the victorious Allied forces, everyone took what they wanted from the defeated Axis powers.

So true, some Indians need to f*ck off as they only point China doing the hating part. He needs to get this straight, it's called keeping the memory alive and still live on. He needs to be reminded Koreans hate the Japanese even more

Hitler Store in India
BBC News - Israeli anger at India clothing shop called Hitler

That was one dumb guy who opened that store, anti-Semitism is not the part of Indian culture. But Israelis unlike the Chinese don't go on hating the Germans till eternity.

 

[terranMarine]

We don't bring the colonial history while dealing with the European countries like Britain, France or Portugal. As for 1962, it was the direct outcome of Chinese obsession of reclaiming the so called historical Chinese land. If you believe Senkaku and Ryukyu aren't the Japanese territories, why you didn't get it done in 1945 when China was the part of the victorious Allied forces, everyone took what they wanted from the defeated Axis powers.



That was one dumb guy who opened that store, anti-Semitism is not the part of Indian culture. But Israelis unlike the Chinese don't go on hating the Germans till eternity.

First of all you said every country moved on except China. So why did Israel complain about a simple Hitler store?
Secondly Chinese don't hate Germans
Thirdly the Diaoyu island issue has been explained plenty of times here