Simorgh class drones > ashes of the beast

[LeGenD]

I still didn't get why they shoot shahed 129 when come near the groups they support ,but let Saegheh and Simorgh operate 3 mile away from their base ?

USAF shot down two Iranian Shahed-129 drones when they were flying OVER the position of US troops (or too close).

"It had been an excruciating 90 min. since Renken had first spotted the Iranian-made Shahed 129 drone orbiting over coalition ground forces on the morning of June 8."

Source: http://aviationweek.com/combat-aircraft/how-us-f-15e-drone-shoot-down-changed-air-game-syria

"Orbiting over" being the key word.

Iran used BALLISTIC MISSILES to strike ISIS positions followed by drones in a location about 3 miles away from US troops this time. USAF might have pulled its aerial platforms from the region due BALLISTIC MISSILES (safety measures), and this might be the reason for non-intervention?

Nevertheless, Iranian attacking strategy was much different this time.

Now keep in mind that US forces have not deployed any ABM system in Syria, and US is not fighting a war with Iran in Syria.

I have provided information in relation to American surveillance capabilities only; "surveillance" being the key word.

and another question why those near real-time surveillance can't stop houthis from firing their missiles ? or hamas from firing their rockets . by the way did USA actually shown any evidence of tracking those launcher or just made some claims without evidence?

Houthi are fighting GCC-led forces, and Hamas fought Israel in 2006. How is US relevant in these conflicts?

US-led forces crushed/routed Iraqi defenses (conventional forces + Fedayeen militia) during the phase of major hostilities in a span of just 21 days, in 2003 [Blitzkrieg + Precision Strikes hybrid offensive approach]. GCC, and Israel, clearly do not have matching warfighting capabilities.

In fact, independent expert assessment is that Israeli decision to delay ground invasion of Lebanon [No Blitzkrieg], was a big blunder.

Your question below is bordering TROLLING now.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Houthi are fighting GCC-led forces, and Hamas fought Israel in 2006. How is US relevant in these conflicts?

you damn well knew how .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabian–led_intervention_in_Yemen

In March 2015, President Barack Obama declared that he had authorized U.S. forces to provide logistical and intelligence support to the Saudis in their military intervention in Yemen, establishing a "Joint Planning Cell" with Saudi Arabia.[410] This includes aerial refueling permitting coalition aircraft more loitering time over Yemen, and permitting some coalition members to home base aircraft rather than relocate them to Saudi Arabia.[130]

US supported the intervention by "providing intelligence sharing, targeting assistance, advisory and logistical support to the military intervention", according to the state department.

In April 2015, the US expanded its intelligence-sharing with the coalition.[412] Deputy Secretary of State Tony Blinken said: "As part of that effort, we have expedited weapons deliveries, we have increased our intelligence sharing, and we have established a joint coordination planning cell in the Saudi operation centre."

do you want to put link about the long long long list of USA intelligence sharing with Israel ?

USAF shot down two Iranian Shahed-129 drones when they were flying OVER the position of US troops (or too close).

"It had been an excruciating 90 min. since Renken had first spotted the Iranian-made Shahed 129 drone orbiting over coalition ground forces on the morning of June 8."

Source: http://aviationweek.com/combat-aircraft/how-us-f-15e-drone-shoot-down-changed-air-game-syria

"Orbiting over" being the key word.

talk is cheap look at were the drone fall down also usa claimed they shoot down the drone before it reach the bombing range and that range for hahed-129 is at least 10-12km and the first drone also shoot down in that area

The incident occurred in approximately the same location where, on June 8, a U.S. jet shot down a similar drone that attacked coalition and partner forces on the ground. In that instance, the munition turned out to be a dud.

that 10 to 12 km is the least distance according to USA claims in reality it was a lot more by the way did USA show any evidence of their claims that the drone was over their force? and if it was over their force how they intercepted it of the firing range (actually 50km away as usa buffer zone around Al-Tanf is 55 miles)

 

[LeGenD]

you damn well knew how .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabian–led_intervention_in_Yemen


do you want to put link about the long long long list of USA intelligence sharing with Israel ?

Being an ally of both camps (GCC and Israel), US provides logistics support and INTEL to them from time-to-time, but this does not translate into US being on the frontlines or spearheading conflicts in Yemen and Lebanon respectively. These are not US-led conflicts in retrospect.

Also, US never (ever) commit to full-scale INTEL sharing with any ally for any end. Try again.

talk is cheap look at were the drone fall down also usa claimed they shoot down the drone before it reach the bombing range and that range for hahed-129 is at least 10-12km and the first drone also shoot down in that area

that 10 to 12 km is the least distance according to USA claims in reality it was a lot more by the way did USA show any evidence of their claims that the drone was over their force? and if it was over their force how they intercepted it of the firing range (actually 50km away as usa buffer zone around Al-Tanf is 55 miles)

Argument for the sake of argument. Rinse and Repeat. This is the best you can do? or you have comprehension problems?

I have already explained to you (Iranians) in [GREAT DETAIL] in earlier posts, that US have a state-of-the-art surveillance apparatus (spaceborne and airborne), and American troops are likely to receive good INTEL from relevant agencies and USAF about any airborne activity over Syria [for different reasons, and an SOP].

Since USAF did not engage Iranian Saegheh class drones striking positions of ISIS about 3 miles away from the positions of US-led forces on the ground (after a ballistic missile strike event no less), then Americans must not be aware? this is logical fallacy in view of the capabilities of American surveillance apparatus in its current form. Even if the drones were 'supposedly' on autopilot during the course of strikes, engine temperature remains higher than the rest of the structure, and this variation is sufficient for powerful airborne EO/IR surveillance platforms to obtain a lock. However, approval to engage an asset [belonging to another country] comes from the command center, and US and Iran are not fighting each other in Syria.

How much pounding Iranian forces have received in Syria from US-led forces since 2014? There is a deconfliction line in Syria through which Russia informs US to not get in the way of its allies.

You wish to ignore ground realities, and keep your head buried in the sand, then be my guest.

 

[mohsen]

Iran used BALLISTIC MISSILES to strike ISIS positions followed by drones in a location about 3 miles away from US troops this time. USAF might have pulled its aerial platforms from the region due BALLISTIC MISSILES (safety measures), and this might be the reason for non-intervention?

as if U.S knew the targets, and as if U.S has evacuated all of it's fighters from middle east including Jordon and Turkey!

I like your way of making stories, I guess you write comic fiction for kids in U.S magazines!

you remind me of your co-authors in Israel and the way they say Saar5 was hit by Hezbollah missile, because they saw no reason to keep their super duper impenetrable systems on during the war!

 

[yavar]

you remind me of your co-authors in Israel and the way they say Saar5 was hit by Hezbollah missile, because they saw no reason to keep their super duper impenetrable systems on during the war!

 

[Sineva]

as if U.S knew the targets, and as if U.S has evacuated all of it's fighters from middle east including Jordon and Turkey!

I like your way of making stories, I guess you write comic fiction for kids in U.S magazines!

you remind me of your co-authors in Israel and the way they say Saar5 was hit by Hezbollah missile, because they saw no reason to keep their super duper impenetrable systems on during the war!

Dont knock comics and graphic novels,they often have excellent stories.
I think a better comparison for this guys fiction....er...um..I mean...assessment of the facts..,would be more along the lines of pulp spy novels or airport lounge pot boilers ie tom clancy etc..,you know,the sort of novel where you have some totally over capable western spy/secret agent type who always manages to defeat the utterly evil and totally stupid russians,north koreans,chinese,iranians etc,etc...Its basically on that sort of level.

 

[TheImmortal]

as if U.S knew the targets, and as if U.S has evacuated all of it's fighters from middle east including Jordon and Turkey!

I like your way of making stories, I guess you write comic fiction for kids in U.S magazines!

you remind me of your co-authors in Israel and the way they say Saar5 was hit by Hezbollah missile, because they saw no reason to keep their super duper impenetrable systems on during the war!

Intresting tidbit:

Saar5 actually missed hitting the ship critically (above waterline). It actually locked onto something left outside the helicopter hanger. Thus the explosion was above the ship.

 

[LeGenD]

as if U.S knew the targets, and as if U.S has evacuated all of it's fighters from middle east including Jordon and Turkey!

I like your way of making stories, I guess you write comic fiction for kids in U.S magazines!

you remind me of your co-authors in Israel and the way they say Saar5 was hit by Hezbollah missile, because they saw no reason to keep their super duper impenetrable systems on during the war!

I am telling stories? LOL

Iranian deeply buried facilities are completely unmasked (even the latest one), and US would have a very good idea of where Iranian ballistic missiles + TEL are kept, and numerous transportation routes (certain type of information is not for public consumption).

If you think that US and Israel are clueless about operational realities in Syria [and affiliated Iranian activities], then you are deluding yourself. Surveillance activities are absolutely OFF-LIMITS to media for live coverage.

HERE:

"The unprecedented Iranian attack on the Islamic State hubs near the Syrian Iraqi border took place close to positions of US Special Forces in eastern Syria, but drew no response from the American military.

The Israeli air force apparently took into consideration that the 7 Saegheh drones could be used for an attack on the Jewish State and scrambled fighter jets which patrolled the skies in northern Israel shortly after the Iranian attack in Deir Ez-Zur.

On February 10th of this year, the IAF shot down the same type of drone in the area of the Galilee town of Beit Shean near the Jordanian Israeli border."

Source: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/252658

[1] Special forces - is not an army.
[2] They knew about the drones; therefore, Israeli Air Force was on RED ALERT shortly.

"The missiles were reportedly launched from the Kermanshah base in Iran while the Saegheh attack drones most likely took off from and returned to the Shahid Karami base southeast of Kashan in the Islamic Republic.

The Saegheh drone is a smaller version of the Simorgh UAV which is a copy of the American RQ-170 Sentinel stealth surveillance UAV and has an estimated action-radius of 1,000 kilometers. In 2011, the Iranians managed to get their hands on a relatively undamaged RQ-170 Sentinel which crashed in the Islamic Republic while on a reconnaissance mission.

The drones had to fly approximately 980 km to reach their targets and managed to return to Iran.

The unprecedented Iranian attack on the Islamic State group teaches us two things about Iran's current military capabilities.

First, the Israeli air force has apparently eliminated Iran’s ability to carry out missile and drone strikes from Syrian territory, otherwise the Quds Force of the IRGC, which is tasked with exporting the Islamic Revolution and has a strong presence in Syria, would have carried out the missile and drone attacks.

Israel has carried out more than 200 airstrikes against Iranian targets in Syria over the past few years according to declassified information which was released by the IDF last month."

Source: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/252658

NOTE: Iran is not leaking such details at official capacity.

OBSERVE:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/252658 [Disclosure on October 2, 2018 at 7:30 PM]

Then:

https://www.debka.com/strategic-breakthrough-for-iran-in-unimpeded-drone-missile-attack-on-e-syria/ [Disclosure on October 2, 2018 at 8:18 PM]

LMAO - Who is telling whom is apparent.

BUT BUT ........ Israel + US had no clue about Iranian military activities in relation to Syria; they glean information [of sensitive nature] from open-source mediums. HAHAHA

Also; have you ever seen an army abandon the battlefield because of ballistic missile strikes? Ballistic missiles - when in motion - present a clear danger to aircraft patrolling a region where [unannounced] strikes are PROJECTED* to occur.

*Ballistic missile trajectory predictions is a thing, mind you.

"SBIRS is positioned so that it would be the first U.S. asset to detect a ballistic missile launch. Once it detects significant activity, that information is transmitted to Air Force Space Command in Colorado and subsequently to North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) and other relevant parts of the military who will decide whether the launch threatens the United States or its interests.

Though the system was designed primarily for missile defense purposes, its short- and mid-wave IR sensors can detect any significant infrared event on the globe, including explosions, fires, and plane crashes. SBIRS provides satellite IR data on thousands of non-missile related events every year. The National Air and Space Intelligence Center keeps “a catalog of signatures—electromagnetic and IR—of aircraft, missiles and other military hardware operating globally.” This can be used to understand what’s going on in crowded operational theaters where there are many actors at play."

Source: https://missilethreat.csis.org/defsys/sbirs

Obviously, you have no idea how ballistic missile defense applications work.

Some photos:

Images are [degraded] for "public consumption."

NOW:-

It is not necessary that a military contingent [on the ground] is equipped to deal with threats of any nature at any given point in time; SBIRS network might provide early warning to the relevant force on the ground where a 'significant activity' is in progress, but relevant assets (to defeat ballistic missiles) should be there to make difference [US have not stationed BMDS in Syria; they do not feel the need to].

Secondly, it is not necessary for USAF to engage Iranian drones whenever they are active over Syria to strike at positions of ISIS on the surface. USAF will engage them [if] they threaten US special forces in any part of Syria.

Syria have an official DECONFLICTION arrangement to prevent potential clashes between the armed forces of various stakeholders operating in the country. Of-course, Israel does not recognize this arrangement in regards to contending with Iranian assets in Syria (one Russian surveillance aircraft became a casualty of Israeli airborne raids in Syria, and Russia reciprocated by delivering an S-300 battery to Syrian regime*).

*FYI: http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...sam-system-but-its-a-token-capability-at-best

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Please continue to believe that I am telling stories. I am much amused.

 

[mohsen]

I am telling stories? LOL

Iranian deeply buried facilities are completely unmasked (even the latest one), and US would have a very good idea of where Iranian ballistic missiles + TEL are kept, and numerous transportation routes (certain type of information is not for public consumption).

If you think that US and Israel are clueless about operational realities in Syria [and affiliated Iranian activities], then you are deluding yourself. Surveillance activities are absolutely OFF-LIMITS to media for live coverage.

HERE:

"The unprecedented Iranian attack on the Islamic State hubs near the Syrian Iraqi border took place close to positions of US Special Forces in eastern Syria, but drew no response from the American military.

The Israeli air force apparently took into consideration that the 7 Saegheh drones could be used for an attack on the Jewish State and scrambled fighter jets which patrolled the skies in northern Israel shortly after the Iranian attack in Deir Ez-Zur.

On February 10th of this year, the IAF shot down the same type of drone in the area of the Galilee town of Beit Shean near the Jordanian Israeli border."

Source: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/252658

[1] Special forces - is not an army.
[2] They knew about the drones; therefore, Israeli Air Force was on RED ALERT shortly.

"The missiles were reportedly launched from the Kermanshah base in Iran while the Saegheh attack drones most likely took off from and returned to the Shahid Karami base southeast of Kashan in the Islamic Republic.

The Saegheh drone is a smaller version of the Simorgh UAV which is a copy of the American RQ-170 Sentinel stealth surveillance UAV and has an estimated action-radius of 1,000 kilometers. In 2011, the Iranians managed to get their hands on a relatively undamaged RQ-170 Sentinel which crashed in the Islamic Republic while on a reconnaissance mission.

The drones had to fly approximately 980 km to reach their targets and managed to return to Iran.

The unprecedented Iranian attack on the Islamic State group teaches us two things about Iran's current military capabilities.

First, the Israeli air force has apparently eliminated Iran’s ability to carry out missile and drone strikes from Syrian territory, otherwise the Quds Force of the IRGC, which is tasked with exporting the Islamic Revolution and has a strong presence in Syria, would have carried out the missile and drone attacks.

Israel has carried out more than 200 airstrikes against Iranian targets in Syria over the past few years according to declassified information which was released by the IDF last month."

Source: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/252658

NOTE: Iran is not leaking such details at official capacity.

OBSERVE:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/252658 [Disclosure on October 2, 2018 at 7:30 PM]

Then:

https://www.debka.com/strategic-breakthrough-for-iran-in-unimpeded-drone-missile-attack-on-e-syria/ [Disclosure on October 2, 2018 at 8:18 PM]

LMAO - Who is telling whom is apparent.

BUT BUT ........ Israel + US had no clue about Iranian military activities in relation to Syria; they glean information [of sensitive nature] from open-source mediums. HAHAHA

Also; have you ever seen an army abandon the battlefield because of ballistic missile strikes? Ballistic missiles - when in motion - present a clear danger to aircraft patrolling a region where [unannounced] strikes are PROJECTED* to occur.

*Ballistic missile trajectory predictions is a thing, mind you.

"SBIRS is positioned so that it would be the first U.S. asset to detect a ballistic missile launch. Once it detects significant activity, that information is transmitted to Air Force Space Command in Colorado and subsequently to North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) and other relevant parts of the military who will decide whether the launch threatens the United States or its interests.

Though the system was designed primarily for missile defense purposes, its short- and mid-wave IR sensors can detect any significant infrared event on the globe, including explosions, fires, and plane crashes. SBIRS provides satellite IR data on thousands of non-missile related events every year. The National Air and Space Intelligence Center keeps “a catalog of signatures—electromagnetic and IR—of aircraft, missiles and other military hardware operating globally.” This can be used to understand what’s going on in crowded operational theaters where there are many actors at play."

Source: https://missilethreat.csis.org/defsys/sbirs

Obviously, you have no idea how ballistic missile defense applications work.

Some photos:

Images are [degraded] for "public consumption."

NOW:-

It is not necessary that a military contingent [on the ground] is equipped to deal with threats of any nature at any given point in time; SBIRS network might provide early warning to the relevant force on the ground where a 'significant activity' is in progress, but relevant assets (to defeat ballistic missiles) should be there to make difference [US have not stationed BMDS in Syria; they do not feel the need to].

Secondly, it is not necessary for USAF to engage Iranian drones whenever they are active over Syria to strike at positions of ISIS on the surface. USAF will engage them [if] they threaten US special forces in any part of Syria.

Syria have an official DECONFLICTION arrangement to prevent potential clashes between the armed forces of various stakeholders operating in the country. Of-course, Israel does not recognize this arrangement in regards to contending with Iranian assets in Syria (one Russian surveillance aircraft became a casualty of Israeli airborne raids in Syria, and Russia reciprocated by delivering an S-300 battery to Syrian regime*).

*FYI: http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...sam-system-but-its-a-token-capability-at-best

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Please continue to believe that I am telling stories. I am much amused.

I remember similar fairy tales about Yemeni missiles too.

 

[TheImmortal]

I am telling stories? LOL

Iranian deeply buried facilities are completely unmasked (even the latest one), and US would have a very good idea of where Iranian ballistic missiles + TEL are kept, and numerous transportation routes (certain type of information is not for public consumption).

If you think that US and Israel are clueless about operational realities in Syria [and affiliated Iranian activities], then you are deluding yourself. Surveillance activities are absolutely OFF-LIMITS to media for live coverage.

HERE:

"The unprecedented Iranian attack on the Islamic State hubs near the Syrian Iraqi border took place close to positions of US Special Forces in eastern Syria, but drew no response from the American military.

The Israeli air force apparently took into consideration that the 7 Saegheh drones could be used for an attack on the Jewish State and scrambled fighter jets which patrolled the skies in northern Israel shortly after the Iranian attack in Deir Ez-Zur.

On February 10th of this year, the IAF shot down the same type of drone in the area of the Galilee town of Beit Shean near the Jordanian Israeli border."

Source: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/252658

[1] Special forces - is not an army.
[2] They knew about the drones; therefore, Israeli Air Force was on RED ALERT shortly.

"The missiles were reportedly launched from the Kermanshah base in Iran while the Saegheh attack drones most likely took off from and returned to the Shahid Karami base southeast of Kashan in the Islamic Republic.

The Saegheh drone is a smaller version of the Simorgh UAV which is a copy of the American RQ-170 Sentinel stealth surveillance UAV and has an estimated action-radius of 1,000 kilometers. In 2011, the Iranians managed to get their hands on a relatively undamaged RQ-170 Sentinel which crashed in the Islamic Republic while on a reconnaissance mission.

The drones had to fly approximately 980 km to reach their targets and managed to return to Iran.

The unprecedented Iranian attack on the Islamic State group teaches us two things about Iran's current military capabilities.

First, the Israeli air force has apparently eliminated Iran’s ability to carry out missile and drone strikes from Syrian territory, otherwise the Quds Force of the IRGC, which is tasked with exporting the Islamic Revolution and has a strong presence in Syria, would have carried out the missile and drone attacks.

Israel has carried out more than 200 airstrikes against Iranian targets in Syria over the past few years according to declassified information which was released by the IDF last month."

Source: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/252658

NOTE: Iran is not leaking such details at official capacity.

OBSERVE:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/252658 [Disclosure on October 2, 2018 at 7:30 PM]

Then:

https://www.debka.com/strategic-breakthrough-for-iran-in-unimpeded-drone-missile-attack-on-e-syria/ [Disclosure on October 2, 2018 at 8:18 PM]

LMAO - Who is telling whom is apparent.

BUT BUT ........ Israel + US had no clue about Iranian military activities in relation to Syria; they glean information [of sensitive nature] from open-source mediums. HAHAHA

Also; have you ever seen an army abandon the battlefield because of ballistic missile strikes? Ballistic missiles - when in motion - present a clear danger to aircraft patrolling a region where [unannounced] strikes are PROJECTED* to occur.

*Ballistic missile trajectory predictions is a thing, mind you.

"SBIRS is positioned so that it would be the first U.S. asset to detect a ballistic missile launch. Once it detects significant activity, that information is transmitted to Air Force Space Command in Colorado and subsequently to North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) and other relevant parts of the military who will decide whether the launch threatens the United States or its interests.

Though the system was designed primarily for missile defense purposes, its short- and mid-wave IR sensors can detect any significant infrared event on the globe, including explosions, fires, and plane crashes. SBIRS provides satellite IR data on thousands of non-missile related events every year. The National Air and Space Intelligence Center keeps “a catalog of signatures—electromagnetic and IR—of aircraft, missiles and other military hardware operating globally.” This can be used to understand what’s going on in crowded operational theaters where there are many actors at play."

Source: https://missilethreat.csis.org/defsys/sbirs

Obviously, you have no idea how ballistic missile defense applications work.

Some photos:

Images are [degraded] for "public consumption."

NOW:-

It is not necessary that a military contingent [on the ground] is equipped to deal with threats of any nature at any given point in time; SBIRS network might provide early warning to the relevant force on the ground where a 'significant activity' is in progress, but relevant assets (to defeat ballistic missiles) should be there to make difference [US have not stationed BMDS in Syria; they do not feel the need to].

Secondly, it is not necessary for USAF to engage Iranian drones whenever they are active over Syria to strike at positions of ISIS on the surface. USAF will engage them [if] they threaten US special forces in any part of Syria.

Syria have an official DECONFLICTION arrangement to prevent potential clashes between the armed forces of various stakeholders operating in the country. Of-course, Israel does not recognize this arrangement in regards to contending with Iranian assets in Syria (one Russian surveillance aircraft became a casualty of Israeli airborne raids in Syria, and Russia reciprocated by delivering an S-300 battery to Syrian regime*).

*FYI: http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...sam-system-but-its-a-token-capability-at-best

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Please continue to believe that I am telling stories. I am much amused.

I am not involved in this discussion, I Just wanted to say No proof that Israel detected Saeghe drones prior to launch/attack. In fact the article you quoted says that Israeli aircraft patrolled the skies AFTER the attack.

Furthermore, from an RCS standpoint with an internal weapons bay of a drone as small as Saeghe, it would be hard for Israel to detect it at the Iraq/Syria border without the assistance of OTH radar operated by US in Israel. But that’s like Iran trying to detect a US RQ-170 flying in Pakistan from inside Iran.

If the drone(s) were approaching Israeli borders that’s a different story.

Lastly, obviously US intelligence detected Iranian missile launch and determined based on various methods (SIGNIT, ballistic trajectory) it was not aimed at US forces. Also not to mention the whole common sense factor why would Iran launch missiles at US forces out of nowhere. Logic would dictate they wouldn’t.

 

[LeGenD]

I remember similar fairy tales about Yemeni missiles too.

Simple minds; simple thoughts.

No wonder Iran is in deep shit.

I am not involved in this discussion, I Just wanted to say No proof that Israel detected Saeghe drones prior to launch/attack. In fact the article you quoted says that Israeli aircraft patrolled the skies AFTER the attack.

Furthermore, from an RCS standpoint with an internal weapons bay of a drone as small as Saeghe, it would be hard for Israel to detect it at the Iraq/Syria border without the assistance of OTH radar operated by US in Israel. But that’s like Iran trying to detect a US RQ-170 flying in Pakistan from inside Iran.

If the drone(s) were approaching Israeli borders that’s a different story.

Lastly, obviously US intelligence detected Iranian missile launch and determined based on various methods (SIGNIT, ballistic trajectory) it was not aimed at US forces. Also not to mention the whole common sense factor why would Iran launch missiles at US forces out of nowhere. Logic would dictate they wouldn’t.

Friend,

Whatever THEY knew about the Iranian operation, they will NOT tell "us."

WE - as distant observers - only have the option to exercise "informed judgement."

Here is a general description of the capabilities of Global Hawk surveillance UAV:

"Day or night, on land or at sea and in all weather conditions, Raytheon's Enhanced Integrated Sensor Suite (EISS) on the Global Hawk air vehicle pinpoints stationary or moving targets with unparalleled accuracy. It transmits imagery and position information from 60,000 feet with near real-time speed and dramatic clarity — empowering warfighters to respond quickly and decisively.

The Raytheon-built EISS enables Global Hawk to scan large geographic areas and produce outstanding high-resolution reconnaissance imagery. To provide Global Hawk with its broad sensing, night vision and radar detection capabilities, EISS combines a cloud-penetrating synthetic aperture radar (SAR) antenna with a ground moving target indicator (GMTI), a high resolution electro-optical (EO) digital camera and an infrared (IR) sensor. A common signal processor, acting as an airborne super-computer, ensures that all elements work together.

Complementing Raytheon's powerful sensors, multi-INT enhancements are available to supplement the aircraft's already superior electronics. These include communications, signals, and electronics intelligence capabilities (COMINT, SIGINT, ELINT) that increase the aircraft's mission adaptability." - Raytheon

Global Hawks are known to operate over Syria. And there are numerous other methods to monitor aerial activity over Syria. Another thing is that Saegheh type drones do not have credible VLO characteristics; no proof that they can evade detection from cutting-edge EO/IR surveillance platforms operating over Syria, among other stuff.

An unknown satellite providing a snapshot of numerous aircraft operating over Syria:

- all of those aircraft and UAV were in MOTION.

However, it is of no use to argue with "ignorant fools." They think that US has to counter an Iranian barrage over Syria, to prove its surveillance capabilities; what an amateurish thought process. As if Iranians learned any lesson from "Operation Praying Mantis" in the past. Many live in a bubble of imagined realities.

Their are some Iranians members whom I respect though. They listen, and offer credible arguments.

 

[ashool]

Simple minds; simple thoughts.

No wonder Iran is in deep shit.


Friend,

Whatever THEY knew about the Iranian operation, they will NOT tell "us."

WE - as distant observers - only have the option to exercise "informed judgement."

Here is a general description of the capabilities of Global Hawk surveillance UAV:

"Day or night, on land or at sea and in all weather conditions, Raytheon's Enhanced Integrated Sensor Suite (EISS) on the Global Hawk air vehicle pinpoints stationary or moving targets with unparalleled accuracy. It transmits imagery and position information from 60,000 feet with near real-time speed and dramatic clarity — empowering warfighters to respond quickly and decisively.

The Raytheon-built EISS enables Global Hawk to scan large geographic areas and produce outstanding high-resolution reconnaissance imagery. To provide Global Hawk with its broad sensing, night vision and radar detection capabilities, EISS combines a cloud-penetrating synthetic aperture radar (SAR) antenna with a ground moving target indicator (GMTI), a high resolution electro-optical (EO) digital camera and an infrared (IR) sensor. A common signal processor, acting as an airborne super-computer, ensures that all elements work together.

Complementing Raytheon's powerful sensors, multi-INT enhancements are available to supplement the aircraft's already superior electronics. These include communications, signals, and electronics intelligence capabilities (COMINT, SIGINT, ELINT) that increase the aircraft's mission adaptability." - Raytheon

Global Hawks are known to operate over Syria. And there are numerous other methods to monitor aerial activity over Syria. Another thing is that Saegheh type drones do not have credible VLO characteristics; no proof that they can evade detection from cutting-edge EO/IR surveillance platforms operating over Syria, among other stuff.

An unknown satellite providing a snapshot of numerous aircraft operating over Syria:

- all of those aircraft and UAV were in MOTION.

However, it is of no use to argue with "ignorant fools." They think that US has to counter an Iranian barrage over Syria, to prove its surveillance capabilities; what an amateurish thought process. As if Iranians learned any lesson from "Operation Praying Mantis" in the past. Many live in a bubble of imagined realities.

Their are some Iranians members whom I respect though. They listen, and offer credible arguments.

fool child

 

[Hack-Hook]

An unknown satellite providing a snapshot of numerous aircraft operating over Syria:

- all of those aircraft and UAV were in MOTION.

However, it is of no use to argue with "ignorant fools." They think that US has to counter an Iranian barrage over Syria, to prove its surveillance capabilities; what an amateurish thought process.

do you think it's hard to find your own aircraft in an area when you knew they are there and where and when you must look ?
have you asked yourself why so much aircraft in that area.

As if Iranians learned any lesson from "Operation Praying Mantis" in the past. Many live in a bubble of imagined realities.

Their are some Iranians members whom I respect though. They listen, and offer credible arguments.

let ask you something ? why Iran never tried to reverse engineer Harpoon Missile ? do you believe it was harder to reverse engineer than Chinese missiles ?
let be honest our experience with them at the all duration of war was crappy , in the Operation Praying Mantis we fired 2 Harpoon , USA fired 1 harpoon all of them missed , they had to use Standard Missile to sink Joshan (actually 5 of them ) against Sahand a ship that virtually had no air-defence they used 3 Harpoon and 4 AGM-123 Skipper II and a bunch of CBU-100 Cluster Bomb again one harpoon missed against the ship that had no defensive capabilities against it.

you see in that operation Harpoons only could hit the ship that had zero defense against it . also a question for you , how hard is for USA to disable a missile they themselves built ? a missile that we could not even hit a single Iraqi ship with it ?
you say what we learned from operation prying mantis , well let just say we learned that even USA can't use Harpoon to attack other ships. only ships that have zero countermeasure are vulnerable to it . we learned they need at least 5 missile and several bomb to sink a 270ton ship

 

[Myself]

let ask you something ? why Iran never tried to reverse engineer Harpoon Missile ? do you believe it was harder to reverse engineer than Chinese missiles ?

I agree with most of your statements except for the above part. Iran was officially financing the development of YJ series missiles in late 1980s and early 1990s. I know it for a fact as I clearly remember Chinese government declared it 25 years ago when US asked them to stop supplying them to Iran and they said they Cannot! Thus, Iran has the right to have and in fact has the assembly line for this class of mussiles along with blueprints. That is the reason almost all Chinese versions have an Iranian clone ( C-801/802/803 and 704, etc).

 

[Sineva]

I am telling stories? LOL



"SBIRS is positioned so that it would be the first U.S. asset to detect a ballistic missile launch. Once it detects significant activity, that information is transmitted to Air Force Space Command in Colorado and subsequently to North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) and other relevant parts of the military who will decide whether the launch threatens the United States or its interests.

Though the system was designed primarily for missile defense purposes, its short- and mid-wave IR sensors can detect any significant infrared event on the globe, including explosions, fires, and plane crashes. SBIRS provides satellite IR data on thousands of non-missile related events every year. The National Air and Space Intelligence Center keeps “a catalog of signatures—electromagnetic and IR—of aircraft, missiles and other military hardware operating globally.” This can be used to understand what’s going on in crowded operational theaters where there are many actors at play."

Source: https://missilethreat.csis.org/defsys/sbirs

Obviously, you have no idea how ballistic missile defense applications work.

Some photos:

Images are [degraded] for "public consumption."



Please continue to believe that I am telling stories. I am much amused.

I hate to burst your bubble sunshine but that first pics doesnt look to be from sbirs,its very likely taken from a imaging sat in leo.In fact I found it on this site
https://reseauinternational.net/photo-satellite-destruction-du-boeing-mh17-chasseur/
The other 2 pics are from sbirs,but the images in the 2nd and 3rd pics are composites taken over several minutes of flight time of a large delta II booster,which would be very different to something like a fateh 110/zulfiqar which not only has a much,much smaller engine,and therefore a much,much smaller infrared signature [and additionally an unpowered separating gliding warhead in the zulfiqar] but is also a quasi ballistic missile ie it does not leave the atmosphere.In addition you have other problems ie the thousands of other ir events that occur on earth every day,even allowing for the ability to screen out most of these sbirs was still registering around 7000+ events just in the jan-aug 2015 period.Plus another problem is sunlight reflecting off of clouds,we can clearly see how bright the clouds are in these images,ironically it was this very phenomena that gave the ussr a near heart attack back in sept 83 with their infrared detection system.
In many ways its not a bad system for strategic early warning,but it certainly is not the instant all seeing eye of god that no ballistic missile can hide from,as you seem to believe it to be.
Lastly,Debka file!?....,really dude?...,really?
I mean the other 2 are bad enough,one zionist/israeli and the other one about as pro western as it gets,but debka is in a league all of its own,you pretty much blew whatever credibility you had the moment you posted a debka link.