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Balochistan is fast sliding into chaos and the situation is very precarious with the tortured bodies of 140 missing persons turning up between July 2010 and May 2011, according to the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP). As per HRCP's conservative estimate, another 143 persons are still missing in Pakistan's largest province.

Briefing journalists here about the findings of an HRCP team which visited the violence-prone province in May, Secretary-General I.A. Rehman likened the situation in Balochistan to what prevailed in East Pakistan before 1971. He and the former HRCP chairperson, Asma Jehangir, were one in stating that security forces were trying to create the very same narrative of external forces being responsible for the violence in the resource-rich but under-developed province.

“Are you trying to suggest that all Balochis have sold out to foreign elements? Has the government tried even one person for treason,” asked Ms. Jehangir. To a question on the oft-repeated charge that Indians were stirring up trouble, she shot back: “When the government makes such an allegation, we expect it to show some evidence. Unfortunately, we have not seen that. If these allegations are correct, it is all the more serious that the government is not taking up the matter.”

Referring to the mainstream narrative of Balochis conducting a separatist movement, Mr. Rehman noted: “Considering what is being done to them, they are still showing a lot of patience.” A particularly worrying trend the HRCP had noted since 2009, when it last conducted a fact-finding tour of the province, was the torture and murder of victims of “enforced disappearances”. Most of the victims were in the 16-25 age bracket and were either students or unemployed youth.

Providing an insight into the findings, HRCP chairperson Zohra Yusuf said: “Agents of the state, as well as insurgents and extremists operating in the province share a common disregard for citizens' rights. Insurgents have murdered ‘settlers' in targeted killings with impunity. A few amongst the Baloch nationalist elements tacitly condone these killings and others do not condemn them openly. The extremists have treated members of religious minorities as fair game.

“The State does not seem perturbed by actions of its agents, something that is apparent from a lack of investigation into allegations of serious human rights violations. There is strong evidence of involvement of the security forces in enforced disappearances and killings. FIRs registered against personnel of security agencies remain uninvestigated without exception. The police have not even managed to get an audience with the personnel of security forces accused of abducting citizens, much less investigate them, and the courts have failed to ensure compliance with their orders.”
 
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There is no proof to show.
 
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We will show proof of Indian involvement in Balochistan at the right time - Mr.Rehman Malik.

Unfortunately for him there is no right time and there is no proof.

But then who in Pakistan asks for proof when the accused is India ?
 
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Proofs of Indian involvement in Balochistan:

MPs told Russia, India and UAE involved in Baloch insurgency – The Express Tribune

Proof of Indian involvement in unrest in Pakistan presented | Asian Tribune

If any of you watch the US Senate hearings, you will see that US senators & MPs have admitted that India has played a part in the destabilization of Balochistan from Afghanistan. I'll post those videos soon, although whoever watches US Senate hearings knows they go on for hours & hours.
 
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Proofs of Indian involvement in Balochistan:

MPs told Russia, India and UAE involved in Baloch insurgency – The Express Tribune

Proof of Indian involvement in unrest in Pakistan presented | Asian Tribune

If any of you watch the US Senate hearings, you will see that US senators have admitted that India has played a part in the destabilization of Balochistan from Afghanistan. I'll post those videos soon, although whoever watches US Senate hearings knows they go on for hours & hours.

Pakistani MPs may tell 1000 things about India in 'closed' door meetings . But irrefutable proof ? Our Kasab ?

So extending the logic is the opinion of Indian MPs about Pakistan valid ?

I also noticed that the second report was filed by one Farzana Shah ;)
 
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What do you think that we will find INSAS rifles in Balochistan, maybe a handful of South-Indians which we can present as proof ? It's not that simple, the funding is provided through a third party, in this case the Tribal lords in self-imposed exile. The weapons are bought not from any nation or company but from the black market. The trainers are not citizens of the country involved in fuelling the insurgency, they are mercenaries who are paid to train the insurgents. If it were so plain and simple, no insurgency would ever be successful.
India maintains to this day that Pakistan was behind the Sikh insurgency in the 80s, what proof have they been able to provide ?
India claims that Daud Ibrahim is in Pakistan, where's the proof ?
India claims Hafiz Saeed is the master mind of 26/11, they say they have the proof but they don't present it to Pakistan, how can we believe you ?
That's how it works buddy.
 
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Pakistani MPs may tell 1000 things about India. But proof ?

So extending the logic is the opinion of Indian MPs about Pakistan valid ?

I also noticed that the second report was filed by one Farzana Shah ;)

Let me quote you some of the proof:

Pasha said India has established nine training camps along the Afghan border, where they are training members of the Baloch Liberation Army. He also claimed “India and the UAE were funding and arming the Baloch. Pasha also claimed that the Russian government was directly involved in funding/training/supporting the insurgency.”

Musharraf told officials that Pakistan had proof that India and Afghanistan were “involved in efforts to provide weapons, training and funding for Baloch extremists through Brahamdagh Bugti and Baloch Marri, two Baloch nationalists, who were living in Kabul.”

“We have letters instructing who to give what weapons [and] to whom,” he said.

So, what proof does India have that the ISI had a part in the Mumbai attacks, or the 2002 parliamentarian attacks?
 
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What do you think that we will find INSAS rifles in Balochistan, maybe a handful of South-Indians which we can present as proof ? It's not that simple, the funding is provided through a third party, in this case the Tribal lords in self-imposed exile. The weapons are bought not from any nation or company but from the black market. The trainers are not citizens of the country involved in fuelling the insurgency, they are mercenaries who are paid to train the insurgents. If it were so plain and simple, no insurgency would ever be popular.
India maintains to this day that Pakistan was behind the Sikh insurgency in the 80s, what proof have they been able to provide ?
India claims that Daud Ibrahim is in Pakistan, where's the proof ?
India claims Hafiz Saeed is the master mind of 26/11, they say they have the proof but they don't present it to Pakistan, how can we believe you ?
That's how it works buddy.
If the trainers are mercenaries what's the big deal,they are not supported by India,the terrorists are paying money to these mercenaries for training sessions.
 
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We've been saying this for so many years. What's with the "right time" from Malik? If you have proof, show it. Or else, don't waste everyone's time in international arena.
 
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What do you think that we will find INSAS rifles in Balochistan, maybe a handful of South-Indians which we can present as proof ? It's not that simple, the funding is provided through a third party, in this case the Tribal lords in self-imposed exile. The weapons are bought not from any nation or company but from the black market. The trainers are not citizens of the country involved in fuelling the insurgency, they are mercenaries who are paid to train the insurgents. If it were so plain and simple, no insurgency would ever be popular.

Sirji it is not the problem of India that the evidence collecting is so complex. it is the problem of Pakistan. It has to brave them all and finally gives us the proof. Simply accusing us and then saying it is very difficult to collect evidnce due to so and so reasons is so awkward.


India maintains to this day that Pakistan was behind the Sikh insurgency in the 80s, what proof have they been able to provide ?

Benazir Bhutto, the PM of Pakistan, provided us the vital info on the movement of terrorists after initially supporting them and to this day many leaders of the BKI, KCF reside in Pakistan.

India claims that Daud Ibrahim is in Pakistan, where's the proof ?

Intelligence reports that have been gathered by RAW,IB many of which were shared to Pakistan. Pakistan rejected those as usual. But the point is they were shared. But in this case even that is not the case. Not a shred of evidence has been presented till date to India.

India claims Hafiz Saeed is the master mind of 26/11, they say they have the proof but they don't present it to Pakistan, how can we believe you ?

You forget the tons and tons of dossiers sent ? Forgot David Headley, Forgot Ajmal Kasab ? C'mon.

That's how it works buddy.

Thats how it works, sure, but Pakistan is not working according to them.
 
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Proofs of Indian involvement in Balochistan:

MPs told Russia, India and UAE involved in Baloch insurgency – The Express Tribune

Proof of Indian involvement in unrest in Pakistan presented | Asian Tribune

If any of you watch the US Senate hearings, you will see that US senators have admitted that India has played a part in the destabilization of Balochistan from Afghanistan. I'll post those videos soon, although whoever watches US Senate hearings knows they go on for hours & hours.
Asma Jahangir is asking proof from pakistani govt which its people has elected and is run from Islamabad not the USA senate. or u are trying to say pakistanis run from washington dc by congress and senate.The way bombs are rained down from air in pakistan with tactical nod from pak govt and army it sure gives perception that pakistan is run indirectly by Zionist israel from washington DC.
 
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On that Mumbai attavks part,RAW official is not chargesheeted in US for Baluchistan terrorism.
 
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If the trainers are mercenaries what's the big deal,they are not supported by India,the terrorists are paying money to these mercenaries for training sessions.

India is involved however it is neither the only, nor the largest party involved in the Balochistan insurgency.
 
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Let me quote you some of the proof:



So, what proof does India have that the ISI had a part in the Mumbai attacks, or the 2002 parliamentarian attacks?

Send us the proof that Pasha saab is blowing hot and cold.

In both cases you mentioned Pakistanis were caught red-handed and in the second one is still alive and singing like a canary.

Catch an Amar Singh in Balochistan and then we will talk business. Until then it is all hot air from Pakistan and nothing else.

We are not responsible for your inability in presenting evidence.

India is involved however it is neither the only, nor the largest party involved in the Balochistan insurgency.

Actually, truth to be told, many Indians too want their Govt to respond to Pak in the same coin especially after 26/11 but pending evidence they are doomed to be dis-appointed.
 
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