Show proof of Indian role in Balochistan: Pakistani panel

[DarK-LorD]

India is involved however it is neither the only, nor the largest party involved in the Balochistan insurgency.

Richard Hoolbroke himself said that he doesn't think India supports terrorism.

 

[53fd]

We've been saying this for so many years. What's with the "right time" from Malik? If you have proof, show it. Or else, don't waste everyone's time in international arena.

The proof has already been shown, & if you listen to US Senate hearings, the MPs there have already admitted that India is involved in the destabilization of Balochistan through Afghanistan. I'll post you the video for it on this thread.

 

[majesticpankaj]

The proof has already been shown, & if you listen to US Senate hearings, the MPs there have already admitted that India is involved in the destabilization of Balochistan through Afghanistan. I'll post you the video for it on this thread.

hahaha... even obama and the whole world has said about the involvement of pakistani agencies in terrorism.... and still u want to live in delusion...

if u have proof why don't u talk about it ?? why don't u complain ?? why u don't want to talk about terrorism ?? why don't u stick to kashmir when ur own people killed by foreign agancies...??

answer is simple u dont have any proof

 

[Bhairava]

The proof has already been shown, & if you listen to US Senate hearings, the MPs there have already admitted that India is involved in the destabilization of Balochistan through Afghanistan. I'll post you the video for it on this thread.

Dude this is the second time you are threatening that you will post the video

But remember for that ne video there are far too many videos on the net saying what the same Senators think of Pakistan's activities.

Then most recent one being , a certain David Cameron,PM of an obscure country called UK.

Again, what proof do you have that those people you caught were Pakistanis?

The terrorist himself has accepted. Also google "Nawaz Sharif + Kasab + Geonews"

You will be surprised pleasantly.

 

[Rafi]

The important thing is we know india is involved, this is the most important thing

 

[Icarus]

Sirji it is not the problem of India that the evidence collecting is so complex. it is the problem of Pakistan. It has to brave them all and finally gives us the proof. Simply accusing us and then saying it is very difficult to collect evidnce due to so and so reasons is so awkward.




Benazir Bhutto, the PM of Pakistan, provided us the vital info on the movement of terrorists after initially supporting them and to this day many leaders of the BKI, KCF reside in Pakistan.



Intelligence reports that have been gathered by RAW,IB many of which were shared to Pakistan. Pakistan rejected those as usual. But the point is they were shared. But in this case even that is not the case. Not a shred of evidence has been presented till date to India.



You forget the tons and tons of dossiers sent ? Forgot David Headley, Forgot Ajmal Kasab ? C'mon.



Thats how it works, sure, but Pakistan is not working according to them.

1) If the Sikh fighters do reside in Pakistan then where is the proof ? It's not so easy being on the rough end is it ?

2) I have seen two of those dossiers, they have nothing but reference to daily use products found in the boat that were made in Pakistan, detergent, soap, toothpaste and of course those vague phone calls. If that's the best proof that RAW has been able to collect then I am not impressed, my aunt uses Indian ayurvedic medicine for her joint pains, so that means she is also sponsored by India ? Getting products of daily use is no big deal. Secondly, let's suppose Pakistan does not want to hand over the responsible, but the VoIP calls were being paid for from Italy, why can't RAW look that guy up and maybe he can spill the beans on ISI, i'm sure Italy will be more co-operative than us....

3) We never got to question Kassab, neither did we get to question Headley. And I don't know if you didn't hear but I read it on this very forum from an Indian newspaper that Headley had retracted his statement and said that the ISI was not even aware of such an act..........

 

[53fd]

The funny thing is, David Headley was a CIA agent, yet no Indian ever accuses the CIA of being responsible for the Mumbai attacks. Wonder what's the reason for that.

 

[Bhairava]

1) If the Sikh fighters do reside in Pakistan then where is the proof ? It's not so easy being on the rough end is it ?

As I said the proof has been provided to Pakistan which rejected it as usual.. But in this case the first step of "Providing proof to India" itself has not been done. Get the difference.

2) I have seen two of those dossiers, they have nothing but reference to daily use products found in the boat that were made in Pakistan, detergent, soap, toothpaste and of course those vague phone calls. If that's the best proof that RAW has been able to collect then I am not impressed, my aunt uses Indian ayurvedic medicine for her joint pains, so that means she is also sponsored by India ? Getting products of daily use is no big deal. Secondly, let's suppose Pakistan does not want to hand over the responsible, but the VoIP calls were being paid for from Italy, why can't RAW look that guy up and maybe he can spill the beans on ISI, i'm sure Italy will be more co-operative than us....

Google "Nawaz Sharif + Kasab + Geo", David Headley, etc. You just cant compare these two unless as I said, you catch red-handed an equivalent Amar Singh in Balochistan.

The phone intercepts of the terrorists and their handlers in Karachi has also been handed over to Pakistan.

3) We never got to question Kassab, neither did we get to question Headley. And I don't know if you didn't
hear but I read it on this very forum from an Indian newspaper that Headley had retracted his statement and said that the ISI was not even aware of such an act..........

That was way before. During the recent Chicago trials he just stopped short of indicting the whole ISI (resumably due to US Govt pressure), though confessed the involvement of serving elements in the ISI (one Major Iqbal, Sajad Mir etc).


See all these cases are India providing the evidences to Pak which then Pak proceeded to reject. But Balochistan no one has seen the proof except the watchful eyes of Rehman Malik.

 

[OrionHunter]

Proofs of Indian involvement in Balochistan:

MPs told Russia, India and UAE involved in Baloch insurgency – The Express Tribune

Shoving a link there doesn't make it incontrovertible PROOF of India's help to the Baluch. Period!

And oh wow! Here's what that link says:

Pasha said India has established nine training camps along the Afghan border, where they are training members of the Baloch Liberation Army. He also claimed “India and the UAE (reportedly due to opposition to construction of the Gwadar port) were funding and arming the Baloch. Pasha also claimed that the Russian government was directly involved in funding/training/supporting the insurgency.”

Ah! The great Pasha again! Are we supposed to take him seriously? I mean seriously!

Isn't this the same guy when asked about the whys and hows of the Abbottabad raid in Parliament, stressed that targets in India have been identified and rehearsals carried out! Jeeez! Obfuscating issues is what is taught in the ISI!! Anyway, what was the connection? Sidetracking or is he a victim of a befuddled mind? I think its both the above!!

And then what's wrong with India helping the Baloch insurgency? After all the Pakistan Army and its adjunct the ISI have been indulging in uninterrupted insurgency in Kashmir for the past three decades by sending in cannon fodder like the LeT, JeM and a host of other bozos. Well, two can play the game, right?

Cheers to that!

 

[Bhairava]

Actually what are we arguing here ?

Let us assume for arguments sake India is indeed involved. Even then without irrefutable evidence being provided to India no one is going to take Pakistan seriously.

Ok, dont provide to India, atleast provide them to the human rights groups like the one mentioned above so that they shut their mouths about the FC/Army high handedness in Balochistan. Why not even that ?

 

[luckyyy]

Briefing journalists here about the findings of an HRCP team which visited the violence-prone province in May, Secretary-General I.A. Rehman likened the situation in Balochistan to what prevailed in East Pakistan before 1971.

in morning someone suggesting that these tribles will fight against india in the event of war...
i think they got the correct dose of ground reality in evening...

 

[Icarus]

As I said the proof has been provided to Pakistan which rejected it as usual.. But in this case the first step of Providing proof to India " itself has not been done. Get the difference.



Google "Nawaz Sharif + Kasab + Geo", David Headley, etc. You just cant compare these two unless as I said, you catch red-handed an equivalent Amar Singh in Balochistan.

The phone intercepts of the terrorists and their handlers in Karachi has also been handed over to Pakistan.



That was way before. During the recent Chicago trials he just stopped short of indicting the whole ISI, though confessed the involvement of serving elements in the ISI (one Major Iqbal, Sajad Mir etc).


See all these cases are India providing the evidences to Pak which then Pak proceeded to reject. But Balochistan no one has sent eh proof except the watchful eyes of Rehman Malik.

You are just repeating your government's rhetoric where as I am telling you from personal experience that the proof handed over to us was insufficient and thoroughly unconvincing. We promised to have Hafiz Saeed stand trial which we fulfilled but the proof provided by India lost it the case, we told your government to allow our people to question him(Kassab), maybe hold a video conference with him which we could use to indite Hafiz Saeed but you guys won't allow it. Not our fault, we tried being helpful, it's just that your government does not want the case solved. They would rather have it remembered as Pakistan's trickery than India's huge intelligence and military failure.

 

[53fd]

As I said the proof has been provided to Pakistan which rejected it as usual.. But in this case the first step of Providing proof to India " itself has not been done. Get the difference.

Proof has been provided to the US as well of India's involvement in Balochistan through Afghanistan, & this has been admitted by US MPs.

Google "Nawaz Sharif + Kasab + Geo", David Headley, etc. You just cant compare these two unless as I said, you catch red-handed an equivalent Amar Singh in Balochistan.

As far as I remember, Nawaz Sharif saying there was a possibility that Kasab was a Pakistani. He was giving his opinion. Sarabjit Singh was caught red handed in Pakistan as well, & there are many Indian terrorists like him caught in Pakistan, in KPK, Punjab & Balochistan.

Another link (I mentioned this link because you mentioned Geo & Nawaz):

Ajmal Kasab has no link to Pakistan: FBI - GEO.tv

See all these cases are India providing the evidences to Pak which then Pak proceeded to reject. But Balochistan no one has sent eh proof except the watchful eyes of Rehman Malik.

Answered above. The proof has been shown, & admitted by US officials.

 

[majesticpankaj]

why pakistan do not handover the evidence to the Indian Government ???

why they don't raise the question on international platform when they do not miss point to raise kashmir issue ??

why they don't call the meeting of OIC against Indian sponsored terrorsim in balouchistan ??

In a nutshell either they don't have evidence or they do not care about the civilians.. in both the cases it is shameful

 

[53fd]

Indian Minister Antulay saying Hindu extremists responsible for Mumbai attacks:

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