Shia hero not needed in a Sunni play - Good analysis of Irani schemes

[FaujHistorian]

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I agree with you for the most part but I would like to add that Pakistani sunnis should not be tossed all the blame for the mess of Pakistan. Despite being a minority Shias have effectively run Pakistan since its inception with the exception being Zia ul Haq. If the leaders of Pakistan meant to unite the two sects they were in a position of power to do so.

Thank you.

Blame for the mess in Pak should be bourne by all. And not just one sect. That's for sure.

One my Shia friends mentioned so eloquently, "When Sunni Mullahs vultures were circling around Ahmadia minority, He wished Shias should have stepped to defend the rights of Pakistani-Ahmadias. But they didn't and guess what the same Sunni vultures are circling Shias.


My reply to him was, that us the Sunnis should have stepped up to defend Ahmadias from Sunni Mullah vultures, We didn't and now the TTP Sunni Mullahs are killing other Sunnis as if there is no end.


It is a Karrma thing. Karma my brother. If we don't defend other Pakistanis from religious evil, the same bearded zealots will come to kill us as well.


Now back to you point.


From day 1, Pakistan has been ruled effectively by military and bureaucracy. And these two institutions are dominated by Sunni Punjabis, Pathans, and urdu speaking with relatively small percentage of Shias.

So I'd respectfully disagree with you that "Shias have effectively ruled Pakistan from 1947".


peace

 

[KS]

So do you support Hezbollah against Israel then??

He said from the perspective of India.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Fauj historian,

While there is some limited truth there, what was your objective of posting that if it wasn't to inflame sectarian misunderstanding? Isn't your post a slap on the face of the majority of Sunnis of Pakistan who love their country as much as a non Sunni like myself does?

Muslim League was not a sectarian outfit. In those days it was unheard of to bring up these silly things like sect (which our enemies today wish to exploit)

Our biggest fault is our emotionalism

Thank you.

Blame for the mess in Pak should be bourne by all. And not just one sect. That's for sure.

One my Shia friends mentioned so eloquently, "When Sunni Mullahs vultures were circling around Ahmadia minority, He wished Shias should have stepped to defend the rights of Pakistani-Ahmadias. But they didn't and guess what the same Sunni vultures are circling Shias.


My reply to him was, that us the Sunnis should have stepped up to defend Ahmadias from Sunni Mullah vultures, We didn't and now the TTP Sunni Mullahs are killing other Sunnis as if there is no end.


It is a Karrma thing. Karma my brother. If we don't defend other Pakistanis from religious evil, the same bearded zealots will come to kill us as well.


Now back to you point.


From day 1, Pakistan has been ruled effectively by military and bureaucracy. And these two institutions are dominated by Sunni Punjabis, Pathans, and urdu speaking with relatively small percentage of Shias.

So I'd respectfully disagree with you that "Shias have effectively ruled Pakistan from 1947".


peace

I agree about taking action and doing what is right

As for these groups you mentioned in the latter part of your post, they are not Sunni only. Shiias exist within them as well. In the army, there is no issue with sectarianism. It's a professional army not a militia

 

[KingMamba]

He said from the perspective of India.

How about you first read what I quoted and second let him answer for himself.

Fauj historian,

While there is some limited truth there, what was your objective of posting that if it wasn't to inflame sectarian misunderstanding? Isn't your post a slap on the face of the majority of Sunnis of Pakistan who love their country as much as a non Sunni like myself does?

Muslim League was not a sectarian outfit. In those days it was unheard of to bring up these silly things like sect (which our enemies today wish to exploit)

Our biggest fault is our emotionalism



I agree about taking action and doing what is right

As for these groups you mentioned in the latter part of your post, they are not Sunni only. Shiias exist within them as well. In the army, there is no issue with sectarianism. It's a professional army not a militia

I concur first he thanked me and said all are to blame and than threw the blame back on the largely Sunni army/bureaucracy (which is bound to happen since Pakistan is a majority Sunni nation), I do not know what he is trying to get at if he isn't trying to flame. I maintain that since Shia leaders have led Pakistan for a long time they should have tried to bridge the gap between Shias and Sunnis. Take Syria for example, Assad SR. before his death tried to bridge the gap as much as he could and was effective for the most part until the events of these pass couple of years. That is how a Shia ruler can take charge despite being in a minority position.

 

[Abii]

lol

while shias are getting massacred and sunnis are turning into wahabi thugs and terrorists by the bucketload, he opens up such a thread.

Literally the most peaceful people in the country are shias. The only people that aren't blowing **** up, killing, destroying and causing havoc.

Fauj strikes again

 

[HAIDER]

Well, not agree with writer. Very few people seen influence of Iranian. But this arab nationalism always take them to black hole, like always. I think Ayatullah Komeni pushed the Shia to join the prayer in sunni mosque, don't built mosque every corner.
When Jamal Nasir of Egypt raise the voice of Arab-Israel war and end of day, few ajami pilot (Pakistan air force) earn the respect in the world.
Beside the point when Pakistani shia blame west after every attack on shia, its in our nation blood and its not imported. After Taliban attack we blame India,Israel and US. At enemy is inside our border, but they preach what other inject in their brain.
I generally say the prayer in sunni mosque never had any problem. But avoid to say prayer in place like Lal Masjid.

 

[KS]

How about you first read what I quoted and second let him answer for himself..

I read what he wrote about Shias being peaceful and less extremist. So I repeat, what he said is true of Indian shias more or less. That is what I meant by "Indian perspective".

And even counting in Hezbollah, they are not as extremist as Al-qaeda or Taliban or any of the dozen terrorist groups that are funded by wahhabis worldwide.

 

[Abii]

I read what he wrote about Shias being peaceful and less extremist. So I repeat, what he said is true of Indian shias more or less. That is what I meant by "Indian perspective".

And even counting in Hezbollah, they are not as extremist as Al-qaeda or Taliban or any of the dozen terrorist groups that are funded by wahhabis worldwide.

They have 12 seats in the Lebanese parliament and 2 cabinet members. They're thus a legitimate political party in Lebanon with a military wing which is supported by their voters. Their presence in the parliament and cabinet also justifies their actions as they are within their rights as given to them by the Lebanese constitution. So I think even you are unfair to them.

 

[jbond197]

@FaujHistorian

What acts of terrors Shia Muslims in Pakistan have done? From the news we read, all we get to know that those poor guys are attacked and killed by Wahabi influenced Sunni extremists every year during their processions and their mosques are regularly attacked by Sunni suicide bombers!! I never heard of any Pakistani Shia Muslim doing the same. Also the terror wave that you see in Pakistan today is Sunni extremism and not Shia so I don't get the point of bashing the very same people who are killed, attacked. I need to understand the motive of the OP but anyways I see a lot of bias in the article and just because a Shia wrote it does not make it a real story..

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

lol

while shias are getting massacred and sunnis are turning into wahabi thugs and terrorists by the bucketload, he opens up such a thread.

Literally the most peaceful people in the country are shias. The only people that aren't blowing **** up, killing, destroying and causing havoc.

Fauj strikes again

The people we are fighting haven't just targeted Shiias. Even prominent Sunnis have been targeted. Bombs don't tell difference between people

Pakistans fight is one of good versus evil; true jihad vs fake fitna-promoting jihad

 

[muse]

Shi'ah were the bomb when US Democracy insisted on saving them in Iraq, now they are demon spawn because US Democracy policy is to corner Iran -- and some in Pakistan want to assist US in this policy by killing their own peaceful citizens.

Why are Shi'ah being targeted in Pakistan? Why is a sectarian conflict being fueled in Pakistan? These are the questions all Pakistanis should ask themselves.

 

[Albatross]

Shi'ah were the bomb when US Democracy insisted on saving them in Iraq, now they are demon spawn because US Democracy policy is to corner Iran -- and some in Pakistan want to assist US in this policy by killing their own peaceful citizens.

Why are Shi'ah being targeted in Pakistan? Why is a sectarian conflict being fueled in Pakistan? These are the questions all Pakistanis should ask themselves.

Shia and sunii's had been happily living together for ages without any clash so what new has happened now...If you will look at thing rationally nothing has changed in the hearts of common shias and sunni's infact I hate to label it this way let me call them all muslims if you dont have any objection...Now coming towards your question well...There are a thousand different ways to answer that but I will choose this one as they say a picture speaks a thousand words..All the current drama in Pak is staged by the one's who made this map decades ago.

 

[FaujHistorian]

@FaujHistorian

What acts of terrors Shia Muslims in Pakistan have done? From the news we read, all we get to know that those poor guys are attacked and killed by Wahabi influenced Sunni extremists every year during their processions and their mosques are regularly attacked by Sunni suicide bombers!! I never heard of any Pakistani Shia Muslim doing the same. Also the terror wave that you see in Pakistan today is Sunni extremism and not Shia so I don't get the point of bashing the very same people who are killed, attacked. I need to understand the motive of the OP but anyways I see a lot of bias in the article and just because a Shia wrote it does not make it a real story..

What you say my dear poster is correct if you look at the history of the last 10+ years.

My heart fills up with emotions when I see my childhood Shia friends, whose mom and dad were always my respected uncles and aunts are now scared for their lives.

I tell them, it is all our fault. Fault of Sunni majority in Pakistan that could not protect our Pakistani brothers who happen to belong to Ahmadi faith, or Shia faith, or Christian faith, or Hindu faith. We could not protect them.


This is what we have done to our beautiful country with our own hands.


So yes for the last 10+ years Pakistani Shias have bore the brunt of it, and at the hands of TTP and Wahabi goons.

But if you my dear poster want to learn the history from 1979, the period right after Ayatullah power grab in Iran, then you have to sit down and listen.

Just what the OP (himself a Pakistani Shia) says, Ayatullahs funded Shia Islam in Pakistan.

OP doesn't say much about Shia militancy in Pakistan, because he is focused on Iran Arab situation.

So here are the high level details.

Khomeni funded and helped establish 3 Shia organizations in Pakistan.

1. Tehrik-e-Jafaria Pakistan (TeJP - political wing with an aim to establish Iranian-Shia sharia in Pakistan)
2. Imamia Students Organisation, (ISO - Student wing that fed young interns to TeJP and SeMP)
3. Sipah-e-Muhammad Pakistan---- (SeMP Shia militant group)


As a result 1981,82, and 83 saw huge armed clashes between Shia and Sunni militants especially in Karachi but in the rest of Pakistan too.


I blame Pakistanis for allowing Khomeni or Saudis to fund terror organizations in Pakistan.

We should have been better custodians of our beautiful country.


Shia militancy died out because it could not compete with money and material and men available to Wahabi militants.

If on the other hand the Shia population pool was larger or concentrated in one location, we would have had a terror organization in Pakistan that would not be too different from Lebanon and Iraq, sort of Shia version of TTP.


Hope this much information helps you understand that Irani hands are as dirty as Saudi when it comes to spreading militancy in Pakistan.


peace

 

[FaujHistorian]

They have 12 seats in the Lebanese parliament and 2 cabinet members. They're thus a legitimate political party in Lebanon with a military wing which is supported by their voters. Their presence in the parliament and cabinet also justifies their actions as they are within their rights as given to them by the Lebanese constitution. So I think even you are unfair to them.

Didn't expect more from an Iranian. You got to be biased to the nth degree.

Let me ask you this?

Would you like Balochi nationalist to establish a seprate army in Iranian area of Balochistan?

then they can say, yes we have 10-12 seats in the parliament. We are legit, and we can have our own army, armed to the teeth by the Sunni Mullah Hullah Ayatullahs.

Would you?

 

[forcetrip]

The OP makes it like one propaganda is better than the other. Propaganda is a tool which is used by everyone to further their cause. It is his biased opinion that someones propaganda is affecting his goals while he does not mention the extreme salafi propaganda that has been going on way before iran iraq war .. if the Ahmedis and Zoroastrians had a good tool to start their work and wernt stupid enough t believe that humanity will be victorious they would still probably not be relocating in droves.