Shahed-136 - Tracking usage & expanding understanding.

[Stryker1982]

Well our policy has always been respecting int recognized borders besides our neutral position in both world wars even still EU countries ask Iran to mediate to end the war, from that position we've gotten to this , we would prefer to be absent in the UNGA than casting vote about annexations by Russia ... which is against a clear active diplomacy that we expect from our foreign policy apparatus. our neutral position got us invaded so it is like tightrope walk and what we get in return gotta be worth it really.
If Putin had managed to take Kiev and then shake hand with Moldova then he would not have stopped there ... I don't see any clear exit strategy over here by Russians for sure the US and NATO would continue to supply Ukraine which makes the war a never ending one .. Putin has lost his opportunity at the beginning of the war to achieve it max goals.
Maybe we could call it new Berlin wall and for sure the US would do whatever it takes to distance EU and Russia ... both sides are guilty and we've jumped in middle.
Instead of invading Ukraine, Russia should have proceeded its plan of gas pipe and expanded its relation with the EU.

One could argue that Putin has already lost.

Either way, Russia must've offered something sweet to the national security council if if everything the western nations have been saying is true. I suppose they have taken it upon themselves to help Russia and avoid defeat. This conflict would create major opportunities for domestic industry I think they are not willing to give up.

They are only taking about an array of drones, and now missiles, but it can be easily other simple things like shells, atgms, (which Russians would be very familiar with), radios, artillery pieces. Construction alongside their own domestic industry to shore up stock. Most ground equipment of Iran is of Russian origin anyways.

 

[Hack-Hook]

this drone is not remotely controlled, does not feature computer vision and mostly relies on consumer grade global positioning (integrated GPS, Gailileo, Beidou and GLONASS) to find the target. It is not efficient against moving targets."

that drone can be controlled with mohajer drones (IV & VI variant) if you happen to have one in the area

 

[mohsen]

Well our policy has always been respecting int recognized borders besides our neutral position in both world wars even still EU countries ask Iran to mediate to end the war, from that position we've gotten to this , we would prefer to be absent in the UNGA than casting vote about annexations by Russia ... which is against a clear active diplomacy that we expect from our foreign policy apparatus. our neutral position got us invaded so it is like tightrope walk and what we get in return gotta be worth it really.
If Putin had managed to take Kiev and then shake hand with Moldova then he would not have stopped there ... I don't see any clear exit strategy over here by Russians for sure the US and NATO would continue to supply Ukraine which makes the war a never ending one .. Putin has lost his opportunity at the beginning of the war to achieve it max goals.
Maybe we could call it new Berlin wall and for sure the US would do whatever it takes to distance EU and Russia ... both sides are guilty and we've jumped in middle.
Instead of invading Ukraine, Russia should have proceeded its plan of gas pipe and expanded its relation with the EU.

Currently, the more this war continues, the more EU will fall into recession. their society has truly divided, people have already started rebellion against anti-Russia officials, so all of the "we will support Ukraine forever" is pure blabbering. liz truss was just the beginning. in long term strategy, Russia is gaining more.

 

[Muhammed45]

Well our policy has always been respecting int recognized borders besides our neutral position in both world wars even still EU countries ask Iran to mediate to end the war, from that position we've gotten to this , we would prefer to be absent in the UNGA than casting vote about annexations by Russia ... which is against a clear active diplomacy that we expect from our foreign policy apparatus. our neutral position got us invaded so it is like tightrope walk and what we get in return gotta be worth it really.
If Putin had managed to take Kiev and then shake hand with Moldova then he would not have stopped there ... I don't see any clear exit strategy over here by Russians for sure the US and NATO would continue to supply Ukraine which makes the war a never ending one .. Putin has lost his opportunity at the beginning of the war to achieve it max goals.
Maybe we could call it new Berlin wall and for sure the US would do whatever it takes to distance EU and Russia ... both sides are guilty and we've jumped in middle.
Instead of invading Ukraine, Russia should have proceeded its plan of gas pipe and expanded its relation with the EU.

The same neutral stance guided us to complete surrender to both sides in the world wars. One could argue that it was because of Iranian army's weakness during that time, it is true. Point is, despite the fact that Iran currently is a powerhouse in own region, the number of enemies leaves us in the same condition. Turkey is a NATO member state, Arab kingdoms are our sworn enemies and others are the 'Yes sir' to USA.

Helping Russia as a nuclear powerhouse and a major global power strengthens Iran without forcing us into suggesting global powers with huge concessions. It weakens NATO, on the other hand, Russia is intervening in Arab-USA relations.

Without nuclear edge, we were doomed but thanks to all the sacrifices that our nation has made, we will keep our independence beside helping our true friends which will eventually strengthen ourselves. What you said is true in case of China, they have some dose of globalism among their politicians but Russia is a different case.

What you said about Russian operation in Europe was an other wrong assessment. It was like saying that Iran is going to occupy every house in the world where Shias are present or Persian speaking people live there or where there exists Iranic people.

The stroy of Neo NAZIs rising in Europe and AngloSaxon dominated countries is completely true. They hate Russians to the core and as one of Ukrainian offucials said tge goal is annihiliation of every Russian speaking person in Ukraine, what Russia wants is strengthening position of Russian ethnics, in fact, they want to avoid extinction of Russ people by gaining respect of western nations/states. That way, they want to provide Russian ethnics with Russian umbrella.

 

[mohsen]

Currently, the more this war continues, the more EU will fall into recession. their society has truly divided, people have already started rebellion against anti-Russia officials, so all of the "we will support Ukraine forever" is pure blabbering. liz truss was just the beginning. in long term strategy, Russia is gaining more.

This is just the beginning:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1583188531039518720

Right in their heart!

 

[Nevsky]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1583759179226918912

 

[K_Bin_W]

This is just the beginning:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1583188531039518720

Right in their heart!

WoW! She hit the nail right on the head....

 

[BHAN85]

Iran is exploiting a known problem of western military industry, which is overinflated prices and for-profit weapons.

The quality of the weapons is of the highest level no doubt, but the markups from IP, materials and labour is so absurd sometimes that it may even be completely pointless to intercept certain objects just on feasibility alone.

We can call it Budget Warfare.

If you ask someone, what army do you think would win a war?
a) army with a budget of 1 M $
b) army with a budget of 100 M $


Everybody would say the B), but that can be false, if the a) uses Shaheds-136 and the B) uses for example, 2 million dollar tomahawks.

Shahed cost is 20 K $, i.e: You can buy 100 Shaheds by the price of one Tomahawk.

What can do more damage 1 Tomahawk (conventional warhead) or 100 Shaheds-136?

Western states people are loyal in first place to money. That is needed when you do senseless wars like Afghanistan war, there is no patriotic feeling or motivation of defend your people, it's just a job to earn money, like a hitmen.

By the other side Iranian people are highly motivated to defend their country, a USA first strike against Iran was a real possibility in the last decade, and they know very well what Iraq is after USA "freedom".

Corruption and overcosts are the common in Western military industry. This is because they are all a industry of people near to the ruling regime, it's not a entrepreneurship industry, there is no free competence.

 

[BHAN85]

that drone can be controlled with mohajer drones (IV & VI variant) if you happen to have one in the area

then Ukraine must shoot down a mohajer drone, reverse engineer it, and fck up all Shaheds-136 clean and cheaply.

 

[Hack-Hook]

then Ukraine must shoot down a mohajer drone, reverse engineer it, and fck up all Shaheds-136 clean and cheaply.

they have a mohajer-6 , the problem is encryption key . do they have it and russia can change the encryption key on its drones as easy as pressing a key

 

[Stryker1982]

Looks like a massive swarm was launched from Crimea, with a size fleet unlike ever seen before (in real combat). Looks alot like those Chinese quadcopter drone videos that show them perfectly synchronized together . We shall see where it goes.

https://imgur.com/a/1CYaVCF

In my opinion they need to be further spaced out. Ukrainians themselves stated they usually use them in pairs of two. Obviously trying new things.

 

[BHAN85]

they have a mohajer-6 , the problem is encryption key . do they have it and russia can change the encryption key on its drones as easy as pressing a key

Yes, they can change it.

But if they capture one mohajer-6 they can get the current key.

The current key is there, no matter how Iran hide it, it's there, it can be catched and fck up all the shaheds-136 who depend from it in that moment.

I think evil Americans are not interested in that possibility, they wont help Ukraine in that way.
Evil Americans just want a endless bloodbath in Ukraine, and test their weapons.
They dont want end the war neither efficient solutions.

So it's up to Ukrainian real patriots to stop flying pistachios using their own brain.

 

[shadihassan28]

they have a mohajer-6 , the problem is encryption key . do they have it and russia can change the encryption key on its drones as easy as pressing a key

Again I don’t know all the technical details of encryption and decryption, but I would think if they handed it to the Americans they could decrypt it a lot faster than the Iranians did with their most advanced drone at the time and they were to reverse engineer a copy, I don’t get why none of these countries have a fail safe to wipe all software from these drones, if it comes out of contact from control, or is that to complicated im asking a real question because it’s something I really don’t know

Yes, they can change it.

But if they capture one mohajer-6 they can get the current key.

The current key is there, no matter how Iran hide it, it's there, it can be catched and fck up all the shaheds-136 who depend from it in that moment.

I think evil Americans are not interested in that possibility, they wont help Ukraine in that way.
Evil Americans just want a endless bloodbath in Ukraine, and test their weapons.
They dont want end the war neither efficient solutions.

So it's up to Ukrainian real patriots to stop flying pistachios using their own brain.

Dude I’m Palestinian American.not all Americans are bad, doesn’t mean they’re all good, I have a saying don’t hate the race just dislike the person lol.

 

[TruthHurtz]

Yes, they can change it.

But if they capture one mohajer-6 they can get the current key.

The current key is there, no matter how Iran hide it, it's there, it can be catched and fck up all the shaheds-136 who depend from it in that moment.

I think evil Americans are not interested in that possibility, they wont help Ukraine in that way.
Evil Americans just want a endless bloodbath in Ukraine, and test their weapons.
They dont want end the war neither efficient solutions.

So it's up to Ukrainian real patriots to stop flying pistachios using their own brain.

You wildly overestimate how damaging the capture of a cheap drone is, America has literally lost classified stealth drones, Turkey has lost Bayraktars, NATO collectively has been handing Russia technology hand over fist and vice versa, an unexploded GMLRS rocket landed in Russian territory just yesterday. All of this is anticipated as potential eventualities and taken into account beforehand in cost-benefit analysis, it's not a great thing and should be avoided but this idea that Mohajer-6 is suddenly redundant because Ukrops have captured one is ridiculous. China has stolen F-22/35 data in hacks, are they fully compromised? Should they be withdrawn from service? Are the Americans showing any inclination in doing that? No, relax.

 

[BHAN85]

You wildly overestimate how damaging the capture of a cheap drone is, America has literally lost classified stealth drones, Turkey has lost Bayraktars, NATO collectively has been handing Russia technology hand over fist and vice versa, an unexploded GMLRS rocket landed in Russian territory just yesterday. All of this is anticipated as potential eventualities and taken into account beforehand in cost-benefit analysis, it's not a great thing and should be avoided but this idea that Mohajer-6 is suddenly redundant because Ukrops have captured one is ridiculous. China has stolen F-22/35 data in hacks, are they fully compromised? Should they be withdrawn from service? Are the Americans showing any inclination in doing that? No, relax.

We are talking about a simple machine, we are not talking about a F-35.

Your steal the memories of a F-35 and you will have nothing. Because its software must be huge, endless to reverse engineering.

But Shaheds are simple. Ukraine can afford use own resources to reverse engineer it and search new ways to shoot them down cheaply.